psychic stalker
I'm skipping stuff that I don't think needs to be addressed.
Well... obviously you are wrong.
psychic stalker
I'm trying to figure out if you're being genuine here.
LastPass, like any password locker, is a tool to keep track of
passwords you use on websites. Having a browser installed
is kind of a prerequisite.
I've been known to navigate the web using a text pager and a copy of Curl or WWWGet. Though... I suppose that technically counts as a web browser.
Either way, you told me what I was wanting later on in the post.
psychic stalker
The extension does only one thing: It prompts for your password, then downloads your password locker, and gives you a friendly interface to access your passwords.
You can configure it to require your password every time you use it, or you can configure it to remember your password for a limited time. When that timeout runs out, it logs you out
completely and purges its cache, and forgets your login. When you log in again, it starts over.
Alright... that is a decent amount of information.
psychic stalker
The LastPass servers. The extension itself doesn't save anything unless you explicitly instruct it to. It doesn't even save your LastPass login anywhere.
This is a case where skipping over stuff you don't think important turns you into an a*****e. Just sayin'.
psychic stalker
I Am DakeDesu
Okay... that makes a bit more sense... and sounds similar to KDE's KWallet.
Yes. Precisely.
Thank you... finally an answer that isn't condescending.
psychic stalker
]No, I'm trying to genuinely answer your questions, but your confrontational attitude is setting me off. I'm sincerely sorry about that.
I'm not sorry. You kind of are a clown.
Either way... it has taken how many posts for me to get anywhere with this with you? Exactly.
psychic stalker
But your responding to me with inane questions like "So... internet browsers do not take up hard drive space?" only makes me think you're deliberately trolling me, because
nowhere have I once suggested
anything remotely along those lines.
You kind of went off on a tangent when I kept asking about why the concept of storing all my passwords behind a single password wouldn't be a ridiculously insecure notion.
psychic stalker
There are three parts here:
Your browser.
The LastPass browser extension
The LastPass servers, where your passwords list is stored, in an encrypted form.
Nice to know this list of stuff... essentially it is just one password to break into all my passwords.
Rather than having to break into every one of my services individually.
Speeding up the job for anybody cracking my stuff.
psychic stalker
I have talked about nothing else. I have made no statements contrary to these. I have only assumed basic English literacy. Clearly I was wrong. For that I apologize.
Would you stop ******** talking s**t to me?
This is why I get so confrontational you a*****e.
The issue comes when I am trying to follow the LOGIC in your statements you d**k head.
psychic stalker
Yes. And that password is never stored anywhere.
The fact the one password is never stored anywhere, really doesn't have anything to do with anything.
You said, breaking into the server would do the person no good, as they'd not be able to see anything with the server's stuff along. Suggesting something at the user's client end was required for the stuff on the server to be used.
psychic stalker
When you log in to LastPass, it generates a decryption key on your computer. Then it downloads your passwords file to your computer. Then it decrypts that file using the key generated from your password so you can access your passwords. That login password is the only one required to access that file. You can (and should!) change that password on a regular basis.
This is still a case of putting all my eggs into one basket... and that seems like an even worse idea than not using this service.
It pretty much is the same thing as using the same password on every website.
psychic stalker
And if you think I'm being "contradictorial," (what does that even mean?)
It means your logic either has gaping huge holes indicating you are a fool...
Or that your logic is solid, and it not only doesn't fit together, but seems to go against itself in how it works.
Either it contradicts itself... or you are leaving out steps of the whole thing.
psychic stalker
all I can infer from that is that you are not actually reading what I say, and that you are inferring things that I never said. My "contradictions" are my attempts to correct your failure to understand what I've said.
Dude... I'm trying to follow from a logic thought point.
English is a language I translates things into and out of to understand what is being said. I don't think in English, and don't understand anybody who is capable of doing that.
I am taking these words... and translating them into a logical thought flow.
Here... your solution to using the same password on every website, would be to keep all your passwords protected by a single password.
Which is contradictory in that you are offering a solution to a problem where the solution IS the problem.
psychic stalker
All of these are encrypted using a strong cryptographic key generated from the single password you use for LastPass.
Oookay... straight forward then?
psychic stalker
]That decryption key is
derived from your password. So, no, you don't need a key.
All my eggs in one basket. Woohoo!
I'll be absurd when I see clowns doing stuff.
Don't worry, I am down with the clown.
psychic stalker
I'm not ******** trying to sell you something. I'm explaining how this service works because you asked me to.
A service you initially suggested is a good idea to use and a big recommendation.
Then seemed to get offended when I said it seemed like a terrible idea.
Yeeeaaaah... I think you are full of s**t.
psychic stalker
If you don't want me to explain how this works, then ******** tell me so I can drop the subject.
I never said that.
psychic stalker
]It's possible to ask questions with a genuine desire for information without being confrontational about every little ******** thing.
Not with you... not with you.
You kind of are an insulting ******** of condescension.
Or... can you read that, or are you too much of a ******** retarded kid to follow this irritation I have with you?
Can you said jerkwad, boys and girls?
Yeeeaaaah... I'm gonna get real confrontational with your insulting a**.
psychic stalker
No, Thinking critically means "by pretending that you yourself are not an imbecile like everyone else." In the context of this specific sub-thread of our conversation (a term I use lightly), this means that you should read that LastPass marketing page in the mindset that you are not stupid and that you won't use insecure passwords, and that you will in fact be storing only strong, high-entropy passwords.
Dude... it is somebody else's product... and that website is really hard to read, as it is a huge long glossy sales speil. I cannot take that website seriously.
Since I haven't used LastPass, I don't know that it doesn't do more than just those short password things... which guess what? Are often said to be high quality passwords.
The more glossy something is... the more likely I will react to it like it is snake oil.
psychic stalker
... Yet it does not fail at its core purpose.
For the sake of another weird set of logical self contradictional response...
What is tOR's core purpose?
psychic stalker
Its only failing is the people using it assuming a level of implicit trust that they shouldn't have.
An implicit trust you just said I should have for reading the lastpass website?
psychic stalker
That's unfair.
The description of ToR being an "onion" comes from the fact that it uses a sequence of nested encrypted tunnels through three peers to find an exit node. The description on their site is clear about this.
That wouldn't even look like an onion...
psychic stalker
The DNS lookup issue is a failure of
browser vendors, and not ToR itself. Some browsers don't use the proxy's DNS lookup as they should and incorrectly default to using an external DNS server.
ToR can't control that.
... that sounds like a major glitch in various web browsers.
It also explains why I kept getting DNS errors anytime I've tried to set up network proxies. I spent all my time trying to figure out what I fired out incorrectly.
psychic stalker
I have not talked about
any ******** "pros" and so have never needed to point out "cons." I have only told you how it works.
Protip: Everything you said has been a pro
psychic stalker
But if you want a ******** list, here you go:
Pros
It stores your passwords securely
You can access it from anywhere without needing to shuttle files around. All you need is a browser extension or the mobile app.
They maintain good, secure backups and keep on top of security issues
Cons:
It's a single point of failure: If your password is stolen, access to your LastPass account is trivial. This is mitigated by changing your password regularly and using a strong passphrase, which you should be doing already. (I have stated this at least once.)
You're trusting a third party to hold your data. This is mitigated by exporting and backing it up on a regular basis, which you should be doing already. (I have mentioned this at least once.)
There. There's your ******** list.
Thank you! The cons on the list sounds like why I'd not use it. Now you can pretend you are pissy about it, because I was rude to you, while you were being rude to me about it.
psychic stalker
That's not what you did. You started asking unreasonably inane troll questions and made offensive statements about me.
You started first by making offensive statements in regards to me.
You know... because I NEVER LEARNED HOW TO READ *Accepts Oscar for performance*
The difference is, your offensive statements weren't as honest about what they were as mine.
The questions were not inane troll questions... they honestly were because you were
A) Treating me like an idiot
B) Holding an air of superiority
C) Not explaining what it was you were on about sufficently
D) Seeming like you were proposing a contradictory solution to a problem in that the solution was the problem itself.
Naturally, you just made yourself out to be more and more of a clown during our interactions.
But wait... the problem is I am an uneducated ******** moron rube idiot troll who mostly exists to ruin your day with being a buffoon around you--and you are oh so burdened with my existence in your communications.
psychic stalker
If you want to know about potential flaws,
then ask, simply, "what are some problems with this?"
Or... when you offer a solution, or explain how something works, don't just paint a rosey picture of it?
Maybe point out issues with things as you talk about them? Point out situations where these issues could be over looked.
psychic stalker
Don't go into a tirade about how I'm a "Sheldon," whatever the ******** that means.
Because I totally went onto a tirade about how you are Sheldon.
I made a snide asside remark.
A tirade would be if I did a long rant comparing and quoting various episodes of the Big Bang Theory and including possible issues with said thesis.
I didn't go on anymore of a tirade, than you did about me being some mud eating illiterate moron trying to ******** steal your thunder.
We both just tossed this s**t in amongst the words in our topics.
psychic stalker
Going off what has been said between us here, I'm going to say that it's not "when [you] don't immediately act" but "when you say inane things and
ad hominems."
Naw... I've tried both.
Saying inane things and making use of ad hominems just make the frustrating situation a bit more amusing.
Just because I've chosen to go for one terrible scenario doesn't mean I'm not experienced with both.
I try many many different and new things.
I mean... the character you see today isn't who burst out of her mother's chest and ran around the vents eating space marines... I've grown a lot as a person since that fateful day.
So... just because I am handling something how I am now... does not mean I haven't attempted the other solutions. It does not mean I have either.
psychic stalker
I was not "being random." The thread of conversation led to a point about needing to remember complex passwords. I offered a solution to the problem.
You went on a random, confused tangent which I tried to clarify. Then you went on a tirade about how I was wrong.
Dude... I was just responding to you being a condescending a*****e saying this solution was an unbreakable answer to people cracking into people's accounts.
This "tirade" was a response to your "soap boxing"
Part of where my response came from... is that suggesting one password as a solution to a problem that is stated as "one password"... seems like a solution that is mismatched to the problem.
Then you were just a whole jerkface about it and said I didn't know how to read, and wasn't able to understand your awesome special snowflakeness... or something.
It takes two to tango... and it takes two to be a bickering pair of assholes.
psychic stalker
You are the one bringing metaphysics into this.
Because you gave an unclear response when I asked about attacking the server that my password was stored upon... one that just got murkier the more and more we discussed this.
With you defending your position as "ignoring anything not important" and "Katrina cannot ******** read s**t"
psychic stalker
It was the first result when I googled "lastpass blog."
Why the ******** would anybody think to google that?
psychic stalker
When I said that LastPass is "very open about their service," I assumed you would understand this to mean that they maintain a blog where they discuss service issues openly.
Why would I jump to that conclusion? That... that is a bit of a jump.
I am female... ergo I must have a tumblr and a youtube channel! Wait... that... that is a bit of a weird path to jump on this matter.
This is what I'm talking about when it seems like your conclusions are very illogical... or you just seem to skip steps in your work.
psychic stalker
If that's what you sincerely "comprehend," then your failure to understand me is complete.
Dude... I'm not going to say I totally get what is going on it your head.
I understand you tend to be very rude when talking about it however.
psychic stalker
Please point to the exact language I used that led to this misunderstanding.
I will correct it.
Eh... that is not going to work that well.
I translate stuff into and out of English in order to converse in English.
Each word exists as a seperate glyph.
If I don't parse the English Glyphs correctly, then the issue is going to be on that.
Your best bet is to try to guess how I'll parse the statements, rather than going with "Exact words"... as how I parse the statements is more important to how I respond that what words you use.
In this case... it seems you were skipping a few declarations in talking about this subject, and then acted like I was an idiot... which had me parsing my response into the English, "******** YOU!"
psychic stalker
It's a
convenience tool. It is a tool that solves the very specific problem of needing unique, strong passwords on hundreds of websites. Nothing more, nothing less.
Most people just use the same password on hundreds of websites... which is only one step different from that.
I Am DakeDesu
I kind of didn't get the point. I'm told often that I'm part of the target demographic for that obscenely offensive shitshow. I was appalled when I learned that Neil deGrasse Tyson guest-starred on it.
Naaaw. You aren't part of the demographic. You are actually in the demographic that wouldn't understand the show.
psychic stalker
My logic is that "mainframe" has fallen into disuse, and that its meaning has not changed. "Computer" has never fallen into disuse, and in the 1940's, its meaning changed.
I'm saying change the definition a little bit.
psychic stalker
It's misleading to use the term "mainframe" when talking about anything other than single-computer centralized timeshare systems wherein the primary interface is the dumb terminal or teletype. This model of computing is not used, so the term "mainframe" should be avoided to disabuse the listener of confusion.
... to be fair, the "single computer" was often a system with multiple simplistic systems moved together to have the processing power of more than a simple calculator.
The technology of that time would have had mainframes as being the equivalent of today's blade servers or cluster computer systems. Not the same... but... yeah.
It wasn't just one huge Motherboard taking up a room. Yes... the functions have since then been simplified into a motherboard... but at the time it was... well motherboard is the wrong word... but it was several circuit boards all connected in a fairly functional way.
I'm mostly not understanding why you consider it so different here... but then it doesn't surprise me.
psychic stalker
And if you don't want to do that, that's fine. KeePass has been mentioned as a (less-convenient) alternative. You've even mentioned KWallet, which is essentially the same thing.
And now you are being fairly civil... good job... I'm trying to congradulate you in a nonsarcastic manner as I believe in pointing out when people do things right. It is hard... as you are really a jerk.
psychic stalker
I'm not even going to try to understand what you're saying here, because your words have suddenly stopped making sense.
Rather convient to say when I pretty much am proving your wrong.
"What... somebody has found my statements to be false... wait... it won't work if I just don't think they are making sense"
a*****e.
