Why do people hate on Superman?

[Sage-of-Highwind]

Miss-dark8607

Prince Joker

I always find it kind of interesting that people tend to forget that Superman actually has other weakness, beyond Kryptonite radiation. He's weak against psychic attacks, for one, and can't see through lead or other dense materials. He can be seriously injured by other Kryptonians or beings of that power-level. He grows weaker when not able to absorb the rays of a yellow sun, eventually losing some of his powers if cut off from it for too long. And, most importantly, Kryptonite radiation isn't even Superman's greatest weakness. Magic is. It's why opponents like Mr. Mxyzptlk are considered among his toughest enemies, because he has absolutely no resistance to magic of any kind. Characters like Zatanna Wonder Woman could absolutely wipe the floor with Superman.

*puts on flame suit* I mean it! So sick of tired of saying how Wonder Woman is the weakest of the three. stare

I have never heard anyone say that about her. In fact everyone that i know loves her. She is so much stronger than them in more ways than one.

[Prince Joker]

sage-the-wanderer

I have never heard anyone say that about her. In fact everyone that i know loves her. She is so much stronger than them in more ways than one.

Agreed. I've actually found Wonder Woman to be the more universally liked among my friends. People tend to pick sides between Batman or Superman (not always, but usually), but they almost all like Wonder Woman. For the most part, the only times I find someone who doesn't like Wonder Woman, it turns out they've never read the comics or even watched Justice League. At which point I roll my eyes and walk off. I never understand how someone can say that don't like a character and then reveal that they know nothing about them. *Groan*

((Not to say she doesn't have her group of haters among comic-fans, too. Most of my friends like her, but she does have her own anti-groups and I can't really blame them. She can be more than a little arrogant and over-bearing, at times. Or all the time. = ) But I still like her. Heh.))

[Sage-of-Highwind]

Prince Joker

sage-the-wanderer

I have never heard anyone say that about her. In fact everyone that i know loves her. She is so much stronger than them in more ways than one.

Agreed. I've actually found Wonder Woman to be the more universally liked among my friends. People tend to pick sides between Batman or Superman (not always, but usually), but they almost all like Wonder Woman. For the most part, the only times I find someone who doesn't like Wonder Woman, it turns out they've never read the comics or even watched Justice League. At which point I roll my eyes and walk off. I never understand how someone can say that don't like a character and then reveal that they know nothing about them. *Groan*

((Not to say she doesn't have her group of haters among comic-fans, too. Most of my friends like her, but she does have her own anti-groups and I can't really blame them. She can be more than a little arrogant and over-bearing, at times. Or all the time. = ) But I still like her. Heh.))

I agree. But so far I've not run into anyone that does hate her. I hope it stays that way. lol. I also Am one of those people that like Batman a bit better than superman. But that's just my opinion

[King Coatl]

INE_JoFlo

I HONESTLY believe the true reason is that he's perceived as too clean, good, mainstream or cliche. Some justify their dislike for him because of his lack of weaknesses. But c'mon, wolverine is SUPER popular. The difference is one is EDGY and the other isn't.

there is more than that.


He is overpowered and suffers from poor story telling which is often loaded with lots of PIS.

[Devonix]

King Coatl

INE_JoFlo

I HONESTLY believe the true reason is that he's perceived as too clean, good, mainstream or cliche. Some justify their dislike for him because of his lack of weaknesses. But c'mon, wolverine is SUPER popular. The difference is one is EDGY and the other isn't.

there is more than that.


He is overpowered and suffers from poor story telling which is often loaded with lots of PIS.

Come on Wolverine isn't that overpowered. 4laugh

[stalungrad]

Devonix

Come on Wolverine isn't that overpowered. 4laugh

(Hello, guys - I'm new.)

I don't know loads about comics - mostly what I've absorbed from my Marvel-loving wife and big titles over the last five years or so. So maybe I can offer a different perspective on Wolverine vs Superman.

As a kid, I assumed I wouldn't like Wolverine. This was because he seemed grumpy and ubiquitous. I'm not fond of the old Fox cartoon, and that did Wolverine no favours - he's totally unreasonable almost all the time in the episodes I've seen.

It was the films and X-Men: Evolution that changed my mind. Hugh Jackman plays a very likable Wolverine, and Evolution tells some great stories about him. I think he works well as part of a team - probably why he's on so many. You can tell some interesting stories with him thanks to his long life, and he can also happily fade into the background for other characters to step forward. He's strong without dominating.

Superman's a very different character. He works very very well as a protagonist, which I suspect is why he's got so many film and TV adapatations to his name.

That said, it took a long time for me to find a Superman adaptation I liked. I found the 70s film tedious. I thought the most interesting thing in the new film was James Marsden's character. I never caught the Bruce Timm series (wonder if it was shown in the UK?).

A few years ago, I caught a few episodes of Smallville on repeat - I think that's the show I wanted. An ongoing series with plenty of proper drama, as well as lots of silly villains and action adventure fun. It felt like Superman at his most Spider-Man.

I've started rambling, so to sum up:

Wolverine is probably as popular as he is because so many X-Men spin-offs and adaptations have used him well.

Superman has probably gained his share of detractors because of lack of exposure for certain audiences, who therefore assume nothing interesting can be done with someone with what my housemate calls "blanket super-powers".

[Miss-dark8607]

Prince Joker

sage-the-wanderer

I have never heard anyone say that about her. In fact everyone that i know loves her. She is so much stronger than them in more ways than one.

Agreed. I've actually found Wonder Woman to be the more universally liked among my friends. People tend to pick sides between Batman or Superman (not always, but usually), but they almost all like Wonder Woman. For the most part, the only times I find someone who doesn't like Wonder Woman, it turns out they've never read the comics or even watched Justice League. At which point I roll my eyes and walk off. I never understand how someone can say that don't like a character and then reveal that they know nothing about them. *Groan*

((Not to say she doesn't have her group of haters among comic-fans, too. Most of my friends like her, but she does have her own anti-groups and I can't really blame them. She can be more than a little arrogant and over-bearing, at times. Or all the time. = ) But I still like her. Heh.))

I think the three of us should swap friends. gonk Why can't I have nice things.

[l Cyclops l]

Cause hes the "perfect hero"

[Big Papa Croc]

INE_JoFlo

I HONESTLY believe the true reason is that he's perceived as too clean, good, mainstream or cliche. Some justify their dislike for him because of his lack of weaknesses. But c'mon, wolverine is SUPER popular. The difference is one is EDGY and the other isn't.

I can go on for DAYS about why I hate Supes.
First and foremost, I cannot take seriously a comic hero that was originally made as a joke.
He was made as a joke villain, with everyman powers, but people actually liked him, so they made him into a hero, reworked his image a bit, and rolled with it.
Second, he doesn't even actually know how to fight.
Overbearingly strong or not, he's never been trained in any form of combat.
He just relies on his stupid powerful strength to win in a fight.
He'd be a much better hero if he took the time to learn what the ******** he was doing.
The golden boy image is iffy for me, but that's never bothered me much.
But even his weakness is stupid.
Kryptonite is this RARE rock from his exploded home world thousands of light years away from Earth.
And yet EVERYONE and their mother has it.
He's just a walking cliche.
Kind of a tool.

[Prince Joker]

Big Papa Croc

INE_JoFlo

I HONESTLY believe the true reason is that he's perceived as too clean, good, mainstream or cliche. Some justify their dislike for him because of his lack of weaknesses. But c'mon, wolverine is SUPER popular. The difference is one is EDGY and the other isn't.

I can go on for DAYS about why I hate Supes.
First and foremost, I cannot take seriously a comic hero that was originally made as a joke.
He was made as a joke villain, with everyman powers, but people actually liked him, so they made him into a hero, reworked his image a bit, and rolled with it.
Second, he doesn't even actually know how to fight.
Overbearingly strong or not, he's never been trained in any form of combat.
He just relies on his stupid powerful strength to win in a fight.
He'd be a much better hero if he took the time to learn what the ******** he was doing.
The golden boy image is iffy for me, but that's never bothered me much.
But even his weakness is stupid.
Kryptonite is this RARE rock from his exploded home world thousands of light years away from Earth.
And yet EVERYONE and their mother has it.
He's just a walking cliche.
Kind of a tool.

Uh, dude, have you ever even read a Superman comic? Superman knows exactly how to fight. In fact, because of how unbelievably strong he is compared to most of the people he fights on a regular day (like thugs and robbers), he has to be in complete control of his movements, strength, and force every moment he's in a fight. Well, actually he has do to that all the time, really, or he'd hurt Lois every time he hugged her. But when he's fighting, he's even more attentive to it. He knows exactly how much pressure he can put into a hold without breaking someone's arm, exactly how much force to put into a punch without sending them through a building. It's how he can fight a perfectly normal human one second and then be punching Doomsday all the way to Canada. He's not just an expert fighter, he's calculating every second of his fight to make certain he doesn't over-do it and hurt someone. That's the exact opposite of a mindless brute just using his strength to dominate people. If anything, since he's unwilling to kill, his strength can sometimes be a disadvantage, as he has to hold back more than is necessary.

As for Kryptonite, that's not even his biggest weakness! Ugh. That always ticks me off. His greatest weakness is magic, probably followed by psychic-attacks and then sun-deprevation, as being away from solar energy for too long weakens him and eventually removes his powers. Kryptonite is probably his fourth greatest weakness. And if you actually read Superman comics, it doesn't actually come around that much. It's only if you're only catch the highlights, or the movies, that you'll see it every time, because it's become the cliched climax to a lot of Superman-related films or TV shows. Not to mention, his greatest enemy is Lex Luthor, one of the richest men on Earth. If anyone did have the influence and money to get his hands on a lot of Kyrptonite, it actually makes sense that that person would be Luthor.

On top of everything, he has been trained in combat. On several occasions, actually. He has been taught by Mongul in the fighting arts and, like most DC heroes, was taught boxing by Wildcat. Superman has also fought and learned from Wonder Woman and has learned more advanced martial arts techniques from Batman. And he's extremely intelligent, too boot. He has a vivid, almost photographic memory, his mind operates at around the same speed-levels as The Flash, and he's a computer expert. I mean, seriously. Do some research.

[Big Papa Croc]

Prince Joker

Big Papa Croc

INE_JoFlo

I HONESTLY believe the true reason is that he's perceived as too clean, good, mainstream or cliche. Some justify their dislike for him because of his lack of weaknesses. But c'mon, wolverine is SUPER popular. The difference is one is EDGY and the other isn't.

I can go on for DAYS about why I hate Supes.
First and foremost, I cannot take seriously a comic hero that was originally made as a joke.
He was made as a joke villain, with everyman powers, but people actually liked him, so they made him into a hero, reworked his image a bit, and rolled with it.
Second, he doesn't even actually know how to fight.
Overbearingly strong or not, he's never been trained in any form of combat.
He just relies on his stupid powerful strength to win in a fight.
He'd be a much better hero if he took the time to learn what the ******** he was doing.
The golden boy image is iffy for me, but that's never bothered me much.
But even his weakness is stupid.
Kryptonite is this RARE rock from his exploded home world thousands of light years away from Earth.
And yet EVERYONE and their mother has it.
He's just a walking cliche.
Kind of a tool.

Uh, dude, have you ever even read a Superman comic? Superman knows exactly how to fight. In fact, because of how unbelievably strong he is compared to most of the people he fights on a regular day (like thugs and robbers), he has to be in complete control of his movements, strength, and force every moment he's in a fight. Well, actually he has do to that all the time, really, or he'd hurt Lois every time he hugged her. But when he's fighting, he's even more attentive to it. He knows exactly how much pressure he can put into a hold without breaking someone's arm, exactly how much force to put into a punch without sending them through a building. It's how he can fight a perfectly normal human one second and then be punching Doomsday all the way to Canada. He's not just an expert fighter, he's calculating every second of his fight to make certain he doesn't over-do it and hurt someone. That's the exact opposite of a mindless brute just using his strength to dominate people. If anything, since he's unwilling to kill, his strength can sometimes be a disadvantage, as he has to hold back more than is necessary.

As for Kryptonite, that's not even his biggest weakness! Ugh. That always ticks me off. His greatest weakness is magic, probably followed by psychic-attacks and then sun-deprevation, as being away from solar energy for too long weakens him and eventually removes his powers. Kryptonite is probably his fourth greatest weakness. And if you actually read Superman comics, it doesn't actually come around that much. It's only if you're only catch the highlights, or the movies, that you'll see it every time, because it's become the cliched climax to a lot of Superman-related films or TV shows. Not to mention, his greatest enemy is Lex Luthor, one of the richest men on Earth. If anyone did have the influence and money to get his hands on a lot of Kyrptonite, it actually makes sense that that person would be Luthor.

On top of everything, he has been trained in combat. On several occasions, actually. He has been taught by Mongul in the fighting arts and, like most DC heroes, was taught boxing by Wildcat. Superman has also fought and learned from Wonder Woman and has learned more advanced martial arts techniques from Batman. And he's extremely intelligent, too boot. He has a vivid, almost photographic memory, his mind operates at around the same speed-levels as The Flash, and he's a computer expert. I mean, seriously. Do some research.

One can be in complete control of their body and still not know the basics of combat.
I have done research, and have tried to read multiple Superman comics, and it's never appealed to me.
Just because he knows just how much force to place behind each action he makes doesn't make him an expert combatant.
It means he has a unique and preternatural control over the functions of his body.
I have not picked up the titles where he learns combat from those people, so I admit I was mistaken.
From everything I had read, he just throws his fists around.
And I did not once claim his greatest weakness was Kryptonite.
It's just the most commonly known.
And it's been used a lot in the comics I have read.
It just amazes me that there is any at all when his home world exploded so damned far away.
He's still a walking cliche.
He was MADE to be one.
But his popularity was the only thing that kept him from being anything more than that.
I've never taken him seriously, because he's far too generic for my tastes.
Though it is good to know he's not just blindly throwing fists around.
Thank you for informing me that he has indeed had combat training.
That lessens my dislike for him a little bit.

[EmptyxNamine]

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[Conlan Nalnoc]

Transatlanticsm

Cause hes the "perfect hero"

I have to agree with you. Superman was/is designed to be the "perfect hero." He already is everything we should aspire to be with or without superpowers. The reason people hate him is because they do not believe it is possible for anyone to be as morally perfect as he is. That is why there were so many dark "realisitic" Superman clones. Apollo of The Authority is one of the best examples of what people thought a real person would be like with the powers of Superman.

The point is that Superman is not Super because of his abilities. He is Superman because of his personality and morals. He will always do the right thing unless a bad writer forces him to do the wrong thing.

[Annalilia]

i like him, but it almost seems as though he's a little "too" good.
like he doesn't really have much baggage, i guess....

[Dark king knight]

ppl grow up and they see superman for what he is an overpowered character with poorly written stories. forget his personality superman is constantly over exposed in DCU when there area dozen other Superman like heroes who could replace him in various stories.

ppl get sick of him.