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The age old question we've heard a dozen times. Batgirl or Oracle? Fans of Barbara Gordon have been torn on this issue since they first brought it out of the one-off Killing Joke and made it part of DC canon. Some people hate that DC crippled Barbara, some even going as far as finding the act offensive or sexist, while others consider it the best thing that's ever happened to her character, making her stronger and more engaging. This discussion has raged for years and I'm sure it's been brought up on Gaia before and will again. However, I want to bring a slightly different spin on the long-standing question.

Why must it be Batgirl or Oracle? Now, feel free to discuss which time you liked better, but my real question here is why it has to be crime-fighting Batgirl or wheelchair-bound Oracle? With the new 52 reboot, I, like many Oracle fans, was very disappointed to hear of a Batgirl - Barbara Gordon run. However, it wasn't Barbara Gordon getting out of the wheelchair that bothered me. Honestly, it was about time. I like Barbara in the wheelchair, her character (in my opinion) did grow and become stronger for the experience, but in the comic book world it was just impractical. People get their arms or legs ripped off and they grow back, some burn to ash and come back to life, but Barbara Gordon was still in that chair? Really, it was starting to stretch the edge of credibility.

However, what I don't understand is why getting out of that chair immediately means she has to be Batgirl again. We have a lot of really good Batgirls already, like Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, but there's only one Oracle. Personally, I think Barbara's more useful and impacting to the DC Universe (not just the Batman Family) as Oracle. We've got more costume crime-fighters than could fit in a book, but when it comes to information and technology powerhouses, we're running a bit slim. So why couldn't Barbara simply get her legs back and remain Oracle? Or, hell, she could be Oracle and Batgirl? I just don't see why they have to be one or the other. More importantly, I don't see why not-crippled Barbara has to equal Batgirl and crippled Barbara has to equal Oracle.

Well, that's enough from me. I've posed my question and now I'm eager to here what the rest of you think. Don't worry about answering if you don't like Oracle, I understand that and I like hearing everybody's opinion. Especially on my real question, for which I'd really like an answer, if there is one.
Drago_the_Blackrose's avatar
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Personally I am a fan of Blackbat. I miss Oracle but I like her a lot more as Batgirl right now. It makes me happy to see her adventures again.
Oracle por favor and bring back teh Steph or Cassie! I don't know what the hell Gail is doing and for once I don't like it. Batgirl is in danger of falling off my pull list. (Hope she doesn't break anything)

Too soon? emotion_awesome
Rim The Mofo Sky's avatar
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I preferred Babs as Oracle. I think Batgirl belongs to Steph now.
Drago_the_Blackrose
Personally I am a fan of Blackbat. I miss Oracle but I like her a lot more as Batgirl right now. It makes me happy to see her adventures again.


Yeah, I can understand that. It's not to see Barbara up and kicking butt again, and I loved in issue #3 (spoilers) when she totally owned Nightwing. Heh. Well, he probably wasn't fighting back too hard, but still. I liked it all the same. Though I do really wish she could continue with both aliases. DC really kind of needs Oracle now and I'm interested to see how her absence will affect things. But, maybe in the future she'll be able to alternate between both roles. Right now, she's got a lot to deal with first.

What's Blackbat? Is that Cassandra Cain's new codename? Sorry, I'm a bit out of the loop. Except for Teen Titans and Outsiders, I stopped reading comics around the time Damian Wayne showed up. (Make of that what you will, heh.)


Miss-dark8607
Batgirl is in danger of falling off my pull list. (Hope she doesn't break anything)

Too soon?


... = ) No comment. *Silently laughing, but trying to act like I'm not.* Yeah, too soon... Heh.

I Cast Ultima
I preferred Babs as Oracle. I think Batgirl belongs to Steph now.


Everyone seems to love Stephanie as Batgirl. Unfortunately, I was out of 'the Bat loop' during that time, so to me she's just Spoiler (but still awesome, of course). Is there any series you might recommend that has Steph as Batgirl, if I'm trying to catch up on that phase of her life?
Prince Joker


Everyone seems to love Stephanie as Batgirl. Unfortunately, I was out of 'the Bat loop' during that time, so to me she's just Spoiler (but still awesome, of course). Is there any series you might recommend that has Steph as Batgirl, if I'm trying to catch up on that phase of her life?


Batgirl raising trade was pretty good. *forever laughing at Omen kid joke*
Oracle. Someone needs to shoot Barbara again.
I agree that she was the most use as Oracle. Theres a LOT of people in the Batfamily out kicking butt and taking names, but somebody should be home to figure out exactly whose asses needs to be kicked and where they are. She was even of use this way to the Justice League as a whole, when Martian Manhunter wasn't doing it. she doesn't need to be shot again, but more Oracle, please!
million year summer
Oracle. Someone needs to shoot Barbara again.


Seriously, stop making laugh at horrible stuff. I just mailed Santa my list and if I get coal I'm blaming you.
Miss-dark8607
million year summer
Oracle. Someone needs to shoot Barbara again.


Seriously, stop making laugh at horrible stuff. I just mailed Santa my list and if I get coal I'm blaming you.


Sorry, guess I was wheelie on a roll.
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Miss-dark8607
Prince Joker


Everyone seems to love Stephanie as Batgirl. Unfortunately, I was out of 'the Bat loop' during that time, so to me she's just Spoiler (but still awesome, of course). Is there any series you might recommend that has Steph as Batgirl, if I'm trying to catch up on that phase of her life?


Batgirl raising trade was pretty good. *forever laughing at Omen kid joke*


Also forever laughing at that joke.
million year summer
Miss-dark8607
million year summer
Oracle. Someone needs to shoot Barbara again.


Seriously, stop making laugh at horrible stuff. I just mailed Santa my list and if I get coal I'm blaming you.


Sorry, guess I was wheelie on a roll.


gonk my ribs! Stop it!
Rim The Sky
Miss-dark8607
Prince Joker


Everyone seems to love Stephanie as Batgirl. Unfortunately, I was out of 'the Bat loop' during that time, so to me she's just Spoiler (but still awesome, of course). Is there any series you might recommend that has Steph as Batgirl, if I'm trying to catch up on that phase of her life?


Batgirl raising trade was pretty good. *forever laughing at Omen kid joke*


Also forever laughing at that joke.


It was just too good and that scene. Classic. I don't when but when I do get some spare change totally buying that trade if only for that one scene.
Ghost Stories
I agree that she was the most use as Oracle. Theres a LOT of people in the Batfamily out kicking butt and taking names, but somebody should be home to figure out exactly whose asses needs to be kicked and where they are. She was even of use this way to the Justice League as a whole, when Martian Manhunter wasn't doing it. she doesn't need to be shot again, but more Oracle, please!


Couldn't have said it better myself. I like Barbara in the wheelchair, I do think it added depth to her character, but at this point there really isn't a very believable way to put her back in it, apart from another reboot. As much as I loved that part of her character, I would honestly be kinda ticked off if they shot Barbara again (or any other way of taking her legs.) It would just seem pretty forced and cliches. But that doesn't mean we can't have Oracle back. Hell, even in a wheelchair, Barbara was shown countless times being able to kick butt. I can only imagine how awesome she would be if she was Oracle and could jump around like Batgirl.

Besides, Barbara was never the best fighter. Heck, she honestly wasn't even the best Batgirl, at least when it came to just pure fighting. After all, she had no training of any kind. Barbara was all enthusiasm and determination, which made her awesome and different from Batman or Robin. And only makes me understand even less why she needs to be Batgirl again. Give Batgirl to Stephanie Brown and give us back Oracle, please! Honestly, Barbara becoming Batgirl again just seems like a colossal and unnecessary step backwards for her character. I really don't think Barbara would even want to be Batgirl again, especially if she had to give up her Birds of Prey. With how hard she's fought to keep the Birds going, I really don't believe she'd do that.
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Oricle... never a batgirl fan

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