My Faild comic (But come and look if you would like)

[meta-madness]

Oh boy a comment that is related to a comment not to long ago I cannot wait to read this masterpeice and see what you have to say!!!!

silverstez

You were overly proud so if anything, this is an improvement

Well I can't say so people don't love the idea for me being a communist instead of drawing but if you mean by Communism It is a big improvement indeed.

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Those are some of the worst metaphors I have ever heard. Stop feeling sorry for yourself because people only started being mean to you for being an a*****e to people who were trying to help you. People here were trying to help you, you completely misinterpreted everything they said, ignored most of it and took everything personally. These people were trying to help you

I do belive there was a comment saying that if you give advise in a bad way the person whom ever it maybe won't take it the right way either.

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and you reacted with immaturity.

Yes I did.

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Your work could be improved if you would only listen to people who try to help you. You should consider yourself lucky they bother, I looked at your art and thought my typical "nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all"

Wow..Well when ever I needed help before no one had time to give to me, of course now they think I need help for my love toward communism but help I actually need never came in any of my directions.

Okay I will stop the communist comment's I am annoying myself with them Moving on!

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No one notices your comics because although you tried, your comics aren't good. You can either accept that your comics aren't good yet,

When were they ever good? Let's see I got the first 4 pages of people hating and the 5th page had some decent fair comment's and now I got this comment!

I can't wait to read more.

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and try to improve them, or you can curl up in a ball and feel sorry for yourself swearing never to draw again.

No thank you. Just the idea of doing that make's me feel...Emo.

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If every time someone told me they didn't like my work I decided to give up I would have given up over 50 times by now.

You remind me of when I was younger and drawing I was always put down because I couldn't draw in a manga or realistic formation but they seen my art as original and new most people today say that. I wasn't so defensive about my art as I was when I posted this on Gaia I am nowhere near defensive about my art today to me drawing is a curse I have to deal with and live with. But I never had anyone tell me they didn't like it until I posted this so it was a first for me!

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She is not obliged to support your comic, you need to be self reliant, you come here for a critique, not ongoing support. People tend to support the really good comics and let's face it

I know how to make good comic's if you read my other comment why I didn't post that comic that I replied on is because I hated it. People said it was good sadly I hated it more then this comic I posted.

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you have a long way to go mate.

Wow I just lost all faith in the rest of this comment.

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Excuse me

Go on.

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but no one will have a positive response you are after because you are not a serious artist yet, you are simply after "Wow this is great" and quite frankly, you couldn't choke the words out of me because I would simply be lying to you.

Everyone lies fact of life!!! I belive the word "Great" is over-rated.
Maybe I am looking for "Constructive criticism" or was until I got it in another comment. She said it straight out, what I had to do to make thing's different in my stories it wasn't hard.
A bit of positive and a lot of negative is what I am generally looking for.

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Your comic is average at best

All of them are better but this one is pure garbage as I said before.

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and you could either try with your art and keep going to try and get better or you can get all emotional about it and pretend there is nothing wrong with your work.

Hmm must I bring up the picture I posted in a reply?
But I am not an emotional type of artist I know when I am beat and I know when I can win I improve I don't want it too look more like a comic or more like a manga I am out for something new which is driving me crazy.

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Two things are going on here, either:
1. Your comic is not great and people have tried to help you
2. Your comic is perfect and everybody is mean and picking on you

Everyone but you seems to think it is 1...

I just had to post this comic on Gaia why didn't I post Alex Machine?

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If you are looking for conversation then go to chatterbox.

The what?

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I think you ought to lurk this forum a little more so you know what to expect in future, I have seen a lot of people like you get chewed up because you are overly proud. It is sad, but the thing is, you get defensive where you should look at what the person is trying to tell you.

I don't have to explain the defensive part but I think I was defensive is because it was my first
(I think)
Time posting a comic in this forum I will post another one once people can leave me alone about the other comic they loved so much.

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People on here are not going to tell you you are wonderful. You will improve, but no one will tell you you are perfect unless you are.

No one is perfect.

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You are not perfect,

I noticed.

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your work needs a lot of improvement and you can either accept it or as I said, cry in a corner.

The world need's to improve before I do but I already improved and as I said before "I noticed"

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PS - I am not being nice and I know it because guess what?

Do I really need to guess?

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I am not obliged to be nice to you.

Okay I have faith in this comment because! someone put a P.S that is subtle but the last word caught my attention "You"

Okay I am sorry but I have a headache. This hole comment is like a zit I just wanna bust it and get it over with. but for now but what I will say is this

No-one is perfect, art can be created but it dies down like a soul lost in the wind,Imagination is just an illusion,Love is like a balloon it pop's and can't be fixed, My head feel's like a bell getting rang over and over again.

I know we were talking about my attitude it's self explanatory and easy to guess,unless not and judging the comic which are very few comments about so I knew this comment would be connected to those other comment's.

I am not trying to be mean I am just leaving a piece of info that has repeated it's a lot.
Attitude and what not issue's make someone happy in a comment to admit a defeat something a true man can say and admit.

Please excuse me I need to rest now.

[paramecium99]

meta-madness

And on top of your immature little display, you want to add some more.

1. No one is perfect - well duh. Your reactions to people's good advice is what landed you here buddy so don't even bother trying to play innocent in all this

2. I don't care if you never draw again so stop threatening to never draw again as if it should mean something to me

3. If this is your shittiest comic ever and you don't like your newer one as much, what are the odds they are both just pure rubbish? Just saying since there is no point posting art you yourself have no faith in. If you have no faith in it then don't bother trying to get others to.

4. I think everybody has potential to be great, you are included in that, unfortunately since you were being such a t**t I gave off another impression entirely since I dislike people who say they are serious about art one moment and the next decide to never draw again JUST because someone said something mean. Regardless of what people say to you, if you love drawing, you would never give it up.

5. When has communism EVER worked? In theory it somehow works but the fact is, if you are a doctor, you deserve more money than a cleaner. Why is it enticing to do a job that takes 13 years of study or more if you will only end up paid as much as a mere cleaner in the end? Communism is completely flawed and I hope you shut up with all this garbage about how much you love Communism. Communism is a flawed system that has never worked for anybody. Just look at all the poverty in China, is that really an ideal society? The Democratic societies are clearly ahead of the game here. Rather than spout bullshit about communism focus on art since this is an art forum...

[paramecium99]

This needs so much work, it's actually really hard to crit.
- This is harsh on her part, but it is true. This part you are best off ignoring since it won't help you improve. I understand it would hurt to read that, but online people will say EXACTLY what they think of your work

First of all, you need to read this book.
- you ignored this book because it isn't Russian... if you want Russian references, look elsewhere

Here is a list of all the good advice you have ignored


Good advice
1.Take a step back from making comics for now and draw from life for a few months before you try to tackle comics. You're just not ready.


2.Paneling needs a lot of work. Will Eisner might help you.


3.Drawing real people now and again is going to help you cartoon better. You need to learn rules before you can break them.


4.Check out the Scott McCloud book fansub linked to you; you can learn a lot of comics and how to tell a good story in that medium. Your panels are so squished together, it's hard to tell what's going on.


5.But this comic is not a productive use of your time. Not all practice is equal, and when you're practicing bad habits you only get worse. You've got basic clarity issues, ones that make it impossible to tell what is going on.


6.Your people look like each other. Your text is jumbled and illegible. Your panels are organized in a way that messes with reading order.


7.Your attitude is going to bury you


8.You have got to separate yourself from your work. A comic that is difficult to decipher is one no one will read.



- I call samefag on this. Same terrible spelling, same really bad typos.
"i actually love simplistic art n comics, and i do like the vibe i get from your work. what i would suggest you working on, is maybe make the art even more simple n clean! n leave space between them panels, as to not have the page seem as cluttred(also making it easier to navigate n less confusing/tiring on the eyes) + having them lines sorrounding the panels/boxes be another thickness than the lines of the art.

i think you should keep drawing!n experiemnt with style n page-layout(which i personally think is the HARDEST thing when putting together a com).. again: KEEP DRAWING!: D"



Overall, you ought to shut up and stop arguing with those who are trying to help you. Half of this thread is you spouting off s**t about Communism and acting like a 10 year old.

[poison dynasty]

silverstez

And on top of your immature little display, you want to add some more.

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1. No one is perfect - well duh. Your reactions to people's good advice is what landed you here buddy so don't even bother trying to play innocent in all this

Well from all the comment's I can see it wasn't given to him properly at all in that type of format if you could give it just straight forward and could have said "Please read this it may help you" Then maybe his attitude would have put in a diffrent type of tone.

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2. I don't care if you never draw again so stop threatening to never draw again as if it should mean something to me

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I love this comment but I have a question you said "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all" Is this part of it or not?

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3. If this is your shittiest comic ever and you don't like your newer one as much, what are the odds they are both just pure rubbish? Just saying since there is no point posting art you yourself have no faith in. If you have no faith in it then don't bother trying to get others to

People today are so much easier to break and looking at him breaking someone only take's a matter of second's to do so I really would say he using post threat's. But who know's to be honest? I read the comic he posted in another comment I liked it a bit I don't know if you seen some of it but I was interested in it a bit wish I could have read more.

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4. I think everybody has potential to be great, you are included in that, unfortunately since you were being such a t**t I gave off another impression entirely since I dislike people who say they are serious about art one moment and the next decide to never draw again JUST because someone said something mean. Regardless of what people say to you, if you love drawing, you would never give it up.

Think of him as a new school artist it would make a lot more sence. I am sure in another comment he said he draw's for compition against his friend's. Giving up is too easy in life today.

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5. When has communism EVER worked? In theory it somehow works but the fact is, if you are a doctor, you deserve more money than a cleaner. Why is it enticing to do a job that takes 13 years of study or more if you will only end up paid as much as a mere cleaner in the end? Communism is completely flawed and I hope you shut up with all this garbage about how much you love Communism. Communism is a flawed system that has never worked for anybody. Just look at all the poverty in China, is that really an ideal society? The Democratic societies are clearly ahead of the game here. Rather than spout bullshit about communism focus on art since this is an art forum...

Okay Communism really? Well I won't go and complain about communism since I am a socialist so I really won't get involved but does this really need to be pointed out?

I will try to be a crit this story since no body has actually tried it but I shall give it a shot

[paramecium99]

poison dynasty

silverstez

And on top of your immature little display, you want to add some more.

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1. No one is perfect - well duh. Your reactions to people's good advice is what landed you here buddy so don't even bother trying to play innocent in all this

Well from all the comment's I can see it wasn't given to him properly at all in that type of format if you could give it just straight forward and could have said "Please read this it may help you" Then maybe his attitude would have put in a diffrent type of tone.

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2. I don't care if you never draw again so stop threatening to never draw again as if it should mean something to me

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I love this comment but I have a question you said "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all" Is this part of it or not?

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3. If this is your shittiest comic ever and you don't like your newer one as much, what are the odds they are both just pure rubbish? Just saying since there is no point posting art you yourself have no faith in. If you have no faith in it then don't bother trying to get others to

People today are so much easier to break and looking at him breaking someone only take's a matter of second's to do so I really would say he using post threat's. But who know's to be honest? I read the comic he posted in another comment I liked it a bit I don't know if you seen some of it but I was interested in it a bit wish I could have read more.

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4. I think everybody has potential to be great, you are included in that, unfortunately since you were being such a t**t I gave off another impression entirely since I dislike people who say they are serious about art one moment and the next decide to never draw again JUST because someone said something mean. Regardless of what people say to you, if you love drawing, you would never give it up.

Think of him as a new school artist it would make a lot more sence. I am sure in another comment he said he draw's for compition against his friend's. Giving up is too easy in life today.

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5. When has communism EVER worked? In theory it somehow works but the fact is, if you are a doctor, you deserve more money than a cleaner. Why is it enticing to do a job that takes 13 years of study or more if you will only end up paid as much as a mere cleaner in the end? Communism is completely flawed and I hope you shut up with all this garbage about how much you love Communism. Communism is a flawed system that has never worked for anybody. Just look at all the poverty in China, is that really an ideal society? The Democratic societies are clearly ahead of the game here. Rather than spout bullshit about communism focus on art since this is an art forum...

Okay Communism really? Well I won't go and complain about communism since I am a socialist so I really won't get involved but does this really need to be pointed out?

I will try to be a crit this story since no body has actually tried it but I shall give it a shot

I only brought up the communism because he wouldn't shut up about it. This is an art forum so it isn't really relevant but that was my point entirely.

I am not being very nice and I know it. I just can't stand people who post art that they did all half assed, and often, the art they themselves didn't really like, then complain when no one else liked it. Also the fact that he is saying things like "I am going to stop drawing forever now!!" just because some people were mean to him. I have had some VERY mean things said about my work, but I kept trying because I love art. It is an insult to artists who care about their work when people go around and act like it is something you can just give up just because some people were mean.

[paramecium99]

poison dynasty

Also I would like to add that this is the internet and people do not have to be extremely nice about everything. In fact no one was rude. Not everything said was positive but really, very few things are said in a positive way on here. At his current level I think he would be best off just keeping his comics between himself and his friends as on here I think people are quite harsh with young artists. I don't think Fansub did anything wrong though, she worded it a hell of a lot better than I would have.

[poison dynasty]

I will actually do my best to be a critic about this and give my honest oppinion no body in this fourm tried this so I will be the first. heart



Good title,Good tear desigh,spelling is off I think you need to spell slower.



First page intorducing the story I think this is the best page in the hole thing I am sure I am not the only one who think's that.
Very detailed as well,
my eye's hurt because there is no space in between the line's.



panel's 8,9,10 are those flash back moment's?
panel 15 what happend to the door?
A bit confused on this page?
Victor is overly buff I think good to have a buff guy introduced on the page with some confusion.



I love the 4th panel a moment of attention and confusion like how much I am.
Who names there child Axel? But it is russia so could I expect.

I love how Axel open's up too the main charcter and act's like he want's too show off his daughter how mcuh I love Axel.



I agree with panel 1 what happend to his face?
Come to think of it did you get the idea of Axel from Twisted metal 4 off the charcter orbital?
I can tell panel 4 is also true.
I love panel 11 with Axel crying very freaky and emotional.



Really? Super beast out of all the song's you could have used why Superbeast? It doesnt even fit the mood of the story why didn't you use American boy by Combination?

This page is random as I can really imagine why do they wanna kill him?




What the ********!!! Axel has power's oh wait it's a dream I was about to say why they ******** does he need to use the main charcter if you can just bust a kamahamaha on the Crime lord.
How did he get in the hospital I am confused now but all I will assume is Victor found him and put him there.

Okay this comic need's so much work and the paneling as people said was awful as ******** I have sencitive eye's so I had to use glasses to read that peice of s**t but I want to know how the story end's now since I actually read all the page's now on to the other comic!

My eye's are in so much pain but let's look at the other comic now.



Holy s**t those robot's are badass looking they remind me of the swat bot's off of the Sonic SAtam series!

Those word bubble's are amazingly used to so much but you make it look fresh I dig it

Maric is a badass looking ******** the main guy talking the first panel look's badass as well but ******** I dig this comic so much more then the other comic!

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"Like a power greater then god himself! The power is the planet nova core's"

That line just sound's epic to me I am having fun with this little master peice I can't wait to see more! ( Not being sarcastic )

What the ******** one page? I wanna see more why isn't there more this comic seem;s epic as ******** I assume the story is explained in the final two panel's as I can see.

Please make that comic I feel like I just watched a cliff hanger of a epic movie I would love to see more of it.

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[poison dynasty]

silverstez

poison dynasty

Also I would like to add that this is the internet and people do not have to be extremely nice about everything. In fact no one was rude. Not everything said was positive but really, very few things are said in a positive way on here. At his current level I think he would be best off just keeping his comics between himself and his friends as on here I think people are quite harsh with young artists. I don't think Fansub did anything wrong though, she worded it a hell of a lot better than I would have.

People who are extremly nice about everything are the rare people in this world now don't shoot there info in flame's it make's it depressing. Maybe she didn't deliver the information right is what must be added give information the right way and chance's are they will take it the right way.

[paramecium99]

poison dynasty

silverstez

poison dynasty

Also I would like to add that this is the internet and people do not have to be extremely nice about everything. In fact no one was rude. Not everything said was positive but really, very few things are said in a positive way on here. At his current level I think he would be best off just keeping his comics between himself and his friends as on here I think people are quite harsh with young artists. I don't think Fansub did anything wrong though, she worded it a hell of a lot better than I would have.

People who are extremly nice about everything are the rare people in this world now don't shoot there info in flame's it make's it depressing. Maybe she didn't deliver the information right is what must be added give information the right way and chance's are they will take it the right way.

I ca see this argument is going nowhere. OP actually apologised for his reaction. If you want to criticise her method of critique you might as well just PM her otherwise you are contributing to OP's swelling ego.

[poison dynasty]

silverstez

poison dynasty

silverstez

poison dynasty

Also I would like to add that this is the internet and people do not have to be extremely nice about everything. In fact no one was rude. Not everything said was positive but really, very few things are said in a positive way on here. At his current level I think he would be best off just keeping his comics between himself and his friends as on here I think people are quite harsh with young artists. I don't think Fansub did anything wrong though, she worded it a hell of a lot better than I would have.

People who are extremly nice about everything are the rare people in this world now don't shoot there info in flame's it make's it depressing. Maybe she didn't deliver the information right is what must be added give information the right way and chance's are they will take it the right way.

I ca see this argument is going nowhere. OP actually apologised for his reaction. If you want to criticise her method of critique you might as well just PM her otherwise you are contributing to OP's swelling ego.

I am sorry I am just looking threw this fourm and all everyone is doing is repeating the same thing at least 3-5 people say other wise but this isn't what the art fourm is about look and judge art I did my best and critic the story my eye's hurt but I posted a comment on it look at it and I think that is the info he is looking for.

[meta-madness]

silverstez

Hey what could I say I take info I desire the most and to this day the info I truly desire is still locked and no-one want's to give the info "Giving information the wrong way will cause the wrong turn" come on please don't be to predictable show me the thing's I haven't seen I already seen these show me something different. That I don't expect.

[paramecium99]

meta-madness

silverstez

Hey what could I say I take info I desire the most and to this day the info I truly desire is still locked and no-one want's to give the info "Giving information the wrong way will cause the wrong turn" come on please don't be to predictable show me the thing's I haven't seen I already seen these show me something different. That I don't expect.

See this is why I didn't want people to stand up for you, because now you are using the same line and not taking responsibility for the fact that you had some of a say in this. Fansub didn't say anything wrong, sure she wasn't entirely gentle, but no one will be gentle with you because your art is not at a level where you will be told nice things. You will get there one day, but for the time being your art is not good enough for people to be nice in their critiques.

[meta-madness]

silverstez

meta-madness

silverstez

Hey what could I say I take info I desire the most and to this day the info I truly desire is still locked and no-one want's to give the info "Giving information the wrong way will cause the wrong turn" come on please don't be to predictable show me the thing's I haven't seen I already seen these show me something different. That I don't expect.

See this is why I didn't want people to stand up for you, because now you are using the same line and not taking responsibility for the fact that you had some of a say in this. Fansub didn't say anything wrong, sure she wasn't entirely gentle, but no one will be gentle with you because your art is not at a level where you will be told nice things. You will get there one day, but for the time being your art is not good enough for people to be nice in their critiques.

True,true but everyone is ready for something but once ready or think they are ready there destiny will be set just let it go and let it live.

[poison dynasty]

Silverstez!!! You made me addicted to this fourm and decided all comment's I have seen and have question's upon I shall reply.

silverstez

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1.Take a step back from making comics for now and draw from life for a few months before you try to tackle comics. You're just not ready.

Eh I seen art less impressive then his but some how they get rated perfectly Hmm wonder why?

Fansub

Actually it is!

drawling present participle of drawl
Verb: Speak in a slow, lazy way with prolonged vowel sounds.

It's just, you know, not the right word for this.

I love learning in the comic forum make's me feel alive.

meta-madness

1 problem bro
I never edited it but like you said
No big deal.

I second this.

Atomic Octopus

I had a feeling that's what you would say. I guess I just pulled that quote out of thin air? Grow up and accept some responsibility. The first line of your promotions thread is still there anyway.

Arguing with you is going to give me a pulmonary embolism, so I think I'm going to have to stop here. Good luck with your comic.

"Grow up and accept some responsibility" When I read that it made me get a sour feeling well why are you stalking him in the promotion forum's? I can tell since this hole thing Meta-madness had matured and became a commie but please use word's in both way's.

Please I read the hole argument why didn't you just say He could use help from a friend? Maybe he would have acted diffrently.

ZombieFudge

This.

Because I can tell you now that's as far as your comic will ever go. It'll be just between you and your friends because you are so reluctant to take the advice some of these artists have left for you. All of it is great advice for making comics. I sure do hope you don't intend to make a career out of this because you are going to get nowhere.

I see that secret support.
It all start's with a friend and a friend can make it worldwide very subtle I never actually thought about it like that.

-2o

Though it does not technically count as necro posting, was there really any value in coming back after the main issue of the thread was resolved to chastise the tone of a critique? Take it up with her privately, but don't bump up threads that are pretty much over with for something that really wasn't germaine to the main thing being discussed. Not that I don't think your motives are good, but it encourages people who won't read far enough into the thread to see the issue resolved to add their two cents to what is now a non issue.

As I can see there are a lot of those going threw this fourm before they can even get to the fourth page of the fourm but I can tell you my good sir that is very true.

Amentar

This might hold water if you were talking about whether a critique was apt with respect to the material being considered, but you're not; you're talking about the delivery (tone) of critiques. It doesn't follow that using a tone more people will be receptive to will have any effect on one's ability to make comics.

Very true! I cannot and won't complan about any of this.

paulina188

Ppl just let him post it were every y do u care

*People just let him post it where ever why do you care*
To judge and be a jackass of a critic which we all are.

Annie Felis

If you want to improve, then listen to the advice people are giving. If you don't want to improve and you just posted your comic to get asspats, get out. This is a place to get feedback and critique, not to gain a fan club.

I don't know the way everyone aimed toward Meta-madness seemed like a fan club against him so I guess you could or could be wrong in some people's eye's.

Well from what I seen feedback was given but not the type of feedback that judge's page by page feed back I posted a comment about my feed back maybe is the feed back he may want.

nightshade259

So you want to stay at this lowly level forever? Cuz you will never want to leave your comfort zone?

He seemed to have left that comfort zone but a lot of people cannot be in the high level because most people cannot reach it because they they try to hard to be that high so they usally faal when they try to get it Meta-madness fell hard from what I can tell I wish he could climb back up but you know once you fall there is no way back up.

meta-madness

Okay I should have said this earlyer but im sorry

(Yeah I know sorry does'nt fix much let alone fix anything in my point of view)

but maybe I should have listen too you because hey what artist does'nt need improvement every now and then and beside's this argument with you two was the best one I had in month's so I thank both of you for that most Fansub since she had the better half but hey im sorry I was being so negative and rude about this hole comic idea'l. So can we just leave this in the past and move forward.

Okay

ps.-Im not changing my style

Man You feel harder then I expected wow.
I am starting to think drawing maybe the new key of corruption.

drend

hi again : ) i think the artwork is very much better in your current work. as i wrote earlier; i find it simple, clean n understandable. i'm getting the feeling that you're moving quite straight to where your style might get very much more interesting, maybe even edgy - but for that to happen you'll have to KEEP DRAWING!. i'm curious: is this comic older or younger than the one you're working on now? : )

but, i think the layout is easier to understand in this one(the scrapt comic above) - it's not as cluttered between them panels + not too many panels fighting over the same space of only one page, n maybe that's why people like it better - not so much for the story n characters, but because they didn't have to eye-struggle through it? : )

I actually agree with you all the way.
I never imagined a possitive comment about this forum would ever show up but I guess my american pride proved me wrong.

Panel's I do agree with on a high level.
I agree now I don't have to show you the other comment I posted about my feedback for this story.

-2o

But, no that isn't true. No one told you to stop drawing. You were told that your attitude was holding you back. You were told that you needed to work on anatomy before trying a style. You were told that your art had clarity issues. These things are all true.

You are not ready to have your stuff critiqued. You are clearly still at the stage where you cannot separate yourself from your art so all criticisms not accompanied by compliments feel like personal attacks. This is not beneficial for you, because it's obviously hurting your motivation. So grow thicker skin before you seek critiques in the future.

As Meta-madness said you are possitive and I like your comic as well.
"This is not beneficial for you, because it's obviously hurting your motivation. So grow thicker skin before you seek critiques in the future"

Why hasn't anyone actually read this part of the fourm's?
It actually make's sence on why people are attacking him the "Meta-madness hating fanclub" are araingt him and among the light is you giving off a true and good fact about this.

silverstez

See this is why I didn't want people to stand up for you, because now you are using the same line and not taking responsibility for the fact that you had some of a say in this. Fansub didn't say anything wrong, sure she wasn't entirely gentle, but no one will be gentle with you because your art is not at a level where you will be told nice things. You will get there one day, but for the time being your art is not good enough for people to be nice in their critiques.

Why do people not critic against stick figure's? Where did that come from?
Anyway stop bringing up Fansub is she everyone's leader if she didn't say anything wrong then stop bringing her up I know she proved a point but please give it a break.

I know Dread brought up a point but I heard no one actually say anything to prove her point Exept for me to actually agree with her.

Even -2o brought up a point but he got shot down in flame's come on someone actually leave the first 3 page's of arguing and judge the other few page's detach from Fansub and be original saying Meta-madness is saying the same thing over and over again it is true but seriously give fansub a break for a moment.

He maybe saying the same thing over and over again but you guys are getting attached to Fansub over and over again sure if she is your god I don't have a issue with that but you guys and Meta-madness are repeating each other.

No one need's to be protected in this forum everyone is guilty exept for IronSpike, [Haruka], and tsaabit people who posted innocent comment's. I am not trying to start an argument but these are the fact's I got outta this forum. Which is all true without a doubt.

meta-madness

True,true but everyone is ready for something but once ready or think they are ready there destiny will be set just let it go and let it live.

What do you mean? I don't care how stupied you are Destiney is a peice of life?

don't wanna be negative and be like the Meta-madness hating fan club if I say. "Your drawing need's to be improved" I can tell you will be confused a bit.

But if I say"Your art is a peice of s**t stop drawing for a while come back in the drawing and post another comic in a week so I can be a ******** jerkweed"
I can so tell you will get upset but people mature in time like how you matured.
But I will say "Please do the other ******** comic the one you sent Dreed I wanna know that hole ******** story I like it better then this peice of cowshit" That may not help but you improved so much so then but I will say this for a fourm of help

I will be polite and a sudjuestion for help that I am sure not many people could think of without being a jerkweed or a bunghole "Ask your friend's who draw manga for there help and support in your own drawing style learn from a friend someone who has time to help you out and could exept your cry for help"

Why didn't anyone say that? It doesnt hurt to be nice and think about friend's when oit comes to help sure a book help's but in the long run I'd rather have a friend who can talk and respond help me more then a ******** book but I do recommend the book for support as well.

Well there I said all I needed to say to everyone in this fourm exept for 3 people I hope what I said didn't make anyone angry but it is all true fact's that I got from this forum and how much his hating fan club want this forum long gone I can see that and agree with that. Without a doubt it is a peice of s**t but for an amature peice of work I am a bit impressed very Detailed very fair and very good each charcter has a name which I love,art is very edgy and fresh but all in all comic wise.It suck's the other one page comic seem's more interesting then this hole ******** peice of s**t I don't mean to swear over and over again but it all true Meta-madness I already gave you my feed back and comment's oif this story I hope my feedback is the one you were looking for and I can assure you it is the most diffrent Feed-back threw out the hole forum.

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