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hey guys, do I really have to keep my work PG13? can I please put some ultra-violence and partial nudity into my project? cause that would suit my art style better. i'm going for retro style and i'm hoping to use above devices to attract more adult viewers.

I'd say apply this article to sex and violence EACH (though it's talking about sexual violence): link

TL;DR / Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?
Sure, if I'm the only one for keeping this PG-13 or under, I guess you can go for the "adult"*audience. I prefer Bill Waterson retro. But I'll happily pull out if this team wants to go in a direction I can't support (aka: higher than PG-13), the book'll keep your lovely lines, I won't read it, my life will be simpler, and the comic won't actually lose a character.
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I also prefer the Bill Waterson definition of adult: emotion_bigheart
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Sorry for not replying earlier; I think everything you said made sense, so thank you. It also makes sense that you'd go for a charity you already have connections to. It also also makes sense that everyone loves Misha so much. It should be fine.
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cool, so you can start right away. what you need to do is to create a set of characters, write/draw a single chapter worth of story, set 1 protagonist who would travel to another dimension using the "key" by the end of that chapter, and we are good to go.

you will have complete freedom over this project except by the end of the chapter, our individual characters will meet up on the last page.

I have already started the project and have finished about 1/5 of the story.

Good luck. biggrin

Did we decide it was another dimension we were unlocking? I mean, now your first section's plot makes more sense, but if we're traveling to another dimension (in that case meaning an alternate reality) vs. more unlocking a gate or (if it's a dimension dimension) unfolding an area, it would almost make more sense for the characters to come from a more varied set of genres than we've been thinking, because this was one world, with "space-" as a universal prefix.

I personally like the idea of the keys activating something that straightens out an intentionally-made wrinkle in space/time--maybe noticeable by incongruencies in the temperatures (or orbits?) of nearby planets relative to their distance from their star, if the sun's energy is still traveling into, through, and out of the folded area.

If that were what we did, would it be plausible for the Rodger to have some sort of direct link to the entryway of the dimension, or would you have to change something bigger in your plot?
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cool, so you can start right away. what you need to do is to create a set of characters, write/draw a single chapter worth of story, set 1 protagonist who would travel to another dimension using the "key" by the end of that chapter, and we are good to go.

you will have complete freedom over this project except by the end of the chapter, our individual characters will meet up on the last page.

I have already started the project and have finished about 1/5 of the story.

Good luck. biggrin

Did we decide it was another dimension we were unlocking? I mean, now your first section's plot makes more sense, but if we're traveling to another dimension (in that case meaning an alternate reality) vs. more unlocking a gate or (if it's a dimension dimension) unfolding an area, it would almost make more sense for the characters to come from a more varied set of genres than we've been thinking, because this was one world, with "space-" as a universal prefix.

I personally like the idea of the keys activating something that straightens out an intentionally-made wrinkle in space/time--maybe noticeable by incongruencies in the temperatures (or orbits?) of nearby planets relative to their distance from their star, if the sun's energy is still traveling into, through, and out of the folded area.

If that were what we did, would it be plausible for the Rodger to have some sort of direct link to the entryway of the dimension, or would you have to change something bigger in your plot?


I have always assumed that we are writing stories about different dimensions and then assembling each of our own character into the same dimension thru a gate and a key.

I personally like the idea of the keys activating something that straightens out an intentionally-made wrinkle in space/time--maybe noticeable by incongruencies in the temperatures (or orbits?) of nearby planets relative to their distance from their star, if the sun's energy is still traveling into, through, and out of the folded area.

this works too, since aliens from different worlds should have a varied set of genres. so overall nothing significant should be changed.
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hey guys, do I really have to keep my work PG13? can I please put some ultra-violence and partial nudity into my project? cause that would suit my art style better. i'm going for retro style and i'm hoping to use above devices to attract more adult viewers.

I'd say apply this article to sex and violence EACH (though it's talking about sexual violence): link

TL;DR / Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?
Sure, if I'm the only one for keeping this PG-13 or under, I guess you can go for the "adult"*audience. I prefer Bill Waterson retro. But I'll happily pull out if this team wants to go in a direction I can't support (aka: higher than PG-13), the book'll keep your lovely lines, I won't read it, my life will be simpler, and the comic won't actually lose a character.
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I also prefer the Bill Waterson definition of adult: emotion_bigheart


I'm actually not going as far as gore-porn. I'm talking about a more subtle way of including ultra violence and nudity as part of the plot. an example would be Heavy Metal where nudity is a necessity for the art style.
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I'm actually not going as far as gore-porn. I'm talking about a more subtle way of including ultra violence and nudity as part of the plot. an example would be Heavy Metal where nudity is a necessity for the art style.

This Heavy Metal? As far as I can tell, the art style is the same as in this show, just with more black in the palette. Just like this guy's style is almost exactly like this guy's. The author's chosen genre and characters are the only things that might make it seem necessary to have "ultra violence" (you realize that's directly pointing to A Clockwork Orange, which is basically trying to be the worst of humanity, right?) and nudity.

Basically, I'm not comfortable with going outside of PG-13. Violence is less of an issue for me than sex; completely non-sexual nudity, with reason, is usually fine (dead webcomic: The Meek), but put the two together and things get iffy.

I am very comfortable retreating from this project; more so every day. So, ahem...
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If other people weigh in on this and want the hide-this-from-your-parents audience, I will wish you well and enjoy fleshing out my ideas from this for a short comic of my own. Thanks to school vamping up, I may have to do that anyway.

Just remember, what you write and draw is your decision with a little bit of audience interpretation--it's never just part of the art style.

Discuss ratings {and what exactly your keys are unlocking}, other team members!
Regarding the issue of PG-13, I am not a really deep fan of all genres of comics, so my information about this is kinda limited.
Although I agree that a bit violence is aceptable, because it might come to fights in some cases (but I think mine will at most be about a battle of wits, idk).
Regarding nudity, do we refer to like, sexy curvy lines with tight suits? Or something else past of it?

I'm not so sure about what we are infering, so I believe I might want to see drafts or sketches pr what it might imply before making a definite opinion of it.
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I'm actually not going as far as gore-porn. I'm talking about a more subtle way of including ultra violence and nudity as part of the plot. an example would be Heavy Metal where nudity is a necessity for the art style.

This Heavy Metal? As far as I can tell, the art style is the same as in this show, just with more black in the palette. Just like this guy's style is almost exactly like this guy's. The author's chosen genre and characters are the only things that might make it seem necessary to have "ultra violence" (you realize that's directly pointing to A Clockwork Orange, which is basically trying to be the worst of humanity, right?) and nudity.

Basically, I'm not comfortable with going outside of PG-13. Violence is less of an issue for me than sex; completely non-sexual nudity, with reason, is usually fine (dead webcomic: The Meek), but put the two together and things get iffy.

I am very comfortable retreating from this project; more so every day. So, ahem...
Princling

If other people weigh in on this and want the hide-this-from-your-parents audience, I will wish you well and enjoy fleshing out my ideas from this for a short comic of my own. Thanks to school vamping up, I may have to do that anyway.

Just remember, what you write and draw is your decision with a little bit of audience interpretation--it's never just part of the art style.

Discuss ratings {and what exactly your keys are unlocking}, other team members!


yeah, that is the direction i'm going for. as for ultraviolence it is needed for my badger's world since it is filled with criminals. same goes for strippers, drugs, alcohol, etc....
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Regarding the issue of PG-13, I am not a really deep fan of all genres of comics, so my information about this is kinda limited.
Although I agree that a bit violence is aceptable, because it might come to fights in some cases (but I think mine will at most be about a battle of wits, idk).
Regarding nudity, do we refer to like, sexy curvy lines with tight suits? Or something else past of it?

I'm not so sure about what we are infering, so I believe I might want to see drafts or sketches pr what it might imply before making a definite opinion of it.


I'm thinking not going as far as erotic scenes. maximum? topless for female characters. sexy curvy lines with tight suits is an absolute. since it fits the space sci fi genre like a glove.
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I'm thinking not going as far as erotic scenes. maximum? topless for female characters. sexy curvy lines with tight suits is an absolute. since it fits the space sci fi genre like a glove.

...A very tight, thin, spandex-like glove. (Sorry, had to be said.)

I guess I should be with Echo Is Gone and say I won't make a judgement call until you show us an example; I'm almost never on the same page with people online. Is there a webcomic (or section of one) that goes up to but does not cross the same line you'll use, while holding about the same detail level that you'll have? A link to that would be one way of universally demonstrating your thoughts without having to draw scenes that could be rejected.
Oh and a little thing about my part:



Regarding drugs and such, well, actually my part has little bit of it.



Augustine is actually a man named (to be decided), a war photographer. Um, cliche story, he falls in love with a woman, she dies. He gets into a drug (to be decided its name) that is like a hallucinogen, well with partial distortions of reality that takes your mind to another place, where is where Augustine's world. More or less, he can take shapes but can't materialize is due to his subconscious will of being (his name here). In the end or our journey, he is supposed to disappear, because he can no longer be "smoke" after quitting the drug-thingy.



Is this out of PG-13 rating? eek
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Oh and a little thing about my part:



Regarding drugs and such, well, actually my part has little bit of it.



Augustine is actually a man named (to be decided), a war photographer. Um, cliche story, he falls in love with a woman, she dies. He gets into a drug (to be decided its name) that is like a hallucinogen, well with partial distortions of reality that takes your mind to another place, where is where Augustine's world. More or less, he can take shapes but can't materialize is due to his subconscious will of being (his name here). In the end or our journey, he is supposed to disappear, because he can no longer be "smoke" after quitting the drug-thingy.



Is this out of PG-13 rating? eek

Quoted from an answer regarding fan fiction:

"K (G)- Intended for general audience 5 years and older. Content should be free of any coarse language, violence, and adult themes.
K+ (PG)- Suitable for more mature children, 9 years and older, with minor action violence without serious injury. May contain mild coarse language. Should not contain any adult themes
T (PG-13)- Suitable for teens, 13 years and older, with some violence, minor coarse language, and minor suggestive adult themes.
M (R)- Not suitable for children or teens below the age of 16 with possible strong but non-explicit adult themes, references to violence, and strong coarse language. (This is mostly fics with violence, sex or lots of swearing in, don't put your fic in here if it doesn't have any of those in as not as many people read M rated fics because you have to select all rating when you are looking for fics)"

I think that, since your plot sounds mostly anti-drug (and we won't be seeing him looking glamorous while drugged, just the effects on his mind, right?) then you're safe in the PG-13 zone. It's adult themes, but well-handled.
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I'm thinking not going as far as erotic scenes. maximum? topless for female characters. sexy curvy lines with tight suits is an absolute. since it fits the space sci fi genre like a glove.

...A very tight, thin, spandex-like glove. (Sorry, had to be said.)

I guess I should be with Echo Is Gone and say I won't make a judgement call until you show us an example; I'm almost never on the same page with people online. Is there a webcomic (or section of one) that goes up to but does not cross the same line you'll use, while holding about the same detail level that you'll have? A link to that would be one way of universally demonstrating your thoughts without having to draw scenes that could be rejected.


yes.

something like this:

naked

Same style, less skilled.
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First bit of my comic. Setting up the characters and setting. I've decided to go with limited dialog.

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