Wicca

[GaijinGuy36]

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Gaijin32

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Gaijin32

There are plenty of solitary practitioners of Wicca out there, Hero. I'm one of them. As Mark Twain once said, 'Get your facts straight first. Then, distort them all you like.'

What are the names of the God and Goddess?

What is your lineage?

Which names? Different people have called them by hundreds of names over the years.

Fail. The God and Goddess of Wicca have specific names. If you were Wiccan you would know that, and you would also know the proper way to answer that question.

Gaijin32

And why should I submit to the third degree from you? confused

Wicca requires initiation and lineage to Gerald Gardner. It is quite common to have people ask for that. Now please provide your lineage.

Sorry, not Gardnerian. talk2hand

[Loona Wynd]

Prophet of Poison

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Think of it this way, unless some one has gone through the proper training (PHD or MD) you wouldn't want them to be called a DR would you?

I don't care, because when hospitals hire doctors they make sure that they have the proper training. If someone says 'I'm a doctor' I don't ask them to diagnose me, I go to a hospital for that. Also, I don't care about people with PHDs. I don't trust what people with PHDs have to say simply because they have PHDs. I trust source information, and even that, hardly.

Still to earn those titles one has specific training. The same goes for Wicca. Wiccan is a title that is earned through training and initiation. That was my point.

Prophet of Poison

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Wiccans view the oath and title of Wiccan the same way. That and initiation does cause changes in your life.

The initiation and the information learned through their coven, maybe. But the title itself changes nothing.

It does give them specific responsibilities and ways to act.

[Loona Wynd]

Gaijin32

Sorry, not Gardnerian. talk2hand

Did I say that you had to be? There are other traditions of Wicca that aren't Gardnerian, but all traditions of Wicca trace their training and iniation back to Gardner. Otherwise you are not Wiccan. You dont know the names of the God and Goddess or the proper rites and rituals that make one Wiccan.

[GaijinGuy36]

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Gaijin32

Sorry, not Gardnerian. talk2hand

Did I say that you had to be? There are other traditions of Wicca that aren't Gardnerian, but all traditions of Wicca trace their training and iniation back to Gardner. Otherwise you are not Wiccan. You dont know the names of the God and Goddess or the proper rites and rituals that make one Wiccan.

You have no right to tell me what I am or am not. I know what faith works for me, and I follow it. Your demands of lineage and proper naming are made of fail.

I know myself and my way better than you, so just stop.

[Loona Wynd]

Prophet of Poison

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Prophet of Poison

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How old are you?

I'm 21, so yes, I'm legal baby. wink

confused From the way you replied to my "it's a fad" you don't act it.

So?

So act like it and understand that paganism is not a fad. While there are some who may be pagan because they want to rebel and what not, the majority of pagans out there are not pagan for that reason. We are pagan because we do not follow Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

[Loona Wynd]

Gaijin32

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Gaijin32

Sorry, not Gardnerian. talk2hand

Did I say that you had to be? There are other traditions of Wicca that aren't Gardnerian, but all traditions of Wicca trace their training and iniation back to Gardner. Otherwise you are not Wiccan. You dont know the names of the God and Goddess or the proper rites and rituals that make one Wiccan.

You have no right to tell me what I am or am not. I know what faith works for me, and I follow it. Your demands of lineage and proper naming are made of fail.

Um no Wicca: Wicca" refers specifically to the lineaged, initiatory mystery religion with roots in the New Forest region of Great Britain, manifested today through various "traditions" all linked with a common ancestry back to the New Forest area. "Wiccans" or "The Wica" are the properly lineaged, properly initiated members of those Traditions.

Gaijin32

I know myself and my way better than you, so just stop.

And I have the information of priests and priestess of Wicca on my side. What do you have?

[GeminiSong]

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Still to earn those titles one has specific training. The same goes for Wicca. Wiccan is a title that is earned through training and initiation. That was my point.

Well then I don't care about your point. IMO, titles are worthless. Arguing over them, even more so.

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It does give them specific responsibilities and ways to act.

The label doesn't do that. The belief that you have a responsibility to act in a certain way stems from the encouragement of others to do so and your own personal belief that you must.

neko wyndy wytch

So act like it and understand that paganism is not a fad. While there are some who may be pagan because they want to rebel and what not, the majority of pagans out there are not pagan for that reason. We are pagan because we do not follow Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

I'll act how I'll like, not how you think someone of my age should act. I calls um like I sees um, you say the majority aren't and I say the majority are. Even though none of us have any valid statistics.

[GaijinGuy36]

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Gaijin32

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Gaijin32

Sorry, not Gardnerian. talk2hand

Did I say that you had to be? There are other traditions of Wicca that aren't Gardnerian, but all traditions of Wicca trace their training and iniation back to Gardner. Otherwise you are not Wiccan. You dont know the names of the God and Goddess or the proper rites and rituals that make one Wiccan.

You have no right to tell me what I am or am not. I know what faith works for me, and I follow it. Your demands of lineage and proper naming are made of fail.

Um no Wicca: Wicca" refers specifically to the lineaged, initiatory mystery religion with roots in the New Forest region of Great Britain, manifested today through various "traditions" all linked with a common ancestry back to the New Forest area. "Wiccans" or "The Wica" are the properly lineaged, properly initiated members of those Traditions.

Gaijin32

I know myself and my way better than you, so just stop.

And I have the information of priests and priestess of Wicca on my side. What do you have?

I have the love of the Lord and Lady. What else do I need?

[Loona Wynd]

Prophet of Poison

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Still to earn those titles one has specific training. The same goes for Wicca. Wiccan is a title that is earned through training and initiation. That was my point.

Well then I don't care about your point. IMO, titles are worthless. Arguing over them, even more so.

In your view maybe, but not to me. Titles like what one calls themselves in regards to religion can be sacred. To be Wiccan one earns the title through initiation and proper practices. You can't just one day decide to be Wiccan and that's it. It requires training and a way of life.

Prophet of Poison

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It does give them specific responsibilities and ways to act.

The label doesn't do that. The belief that you have a responsibility to act in a certain way stems from the encouragement of others to do so and your own personal belief that you must.

Actually the requirements of the Gods do that. Wiccans are clergy of their Gods. They have specific requirements for the way that they act with other people. Thus they act accordingly.

Prophet of Poison

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So act like it and understand that paganism is not a fad. While there are some who may be pagan because they want to rebel and what not, the majority of pagans out there are not pagan for that reason. We are pagan because we do not follow Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

I'll act how I'll like, not how you think someone of my age should act. I calls um like I sees um, you say the majority aren't and I say the majority are. Even though none of us have any valid statistics.

How many serious Pagans have you met?

[Loona Wynd]

Gaijin32

I have the love of the Lord and Lady. What else do I need?

The proper rites and Rituals. Wicca is not about belief. It's about practice. Wiccan doctrine states that the rites and rituals must be practiced a specific way. otherwise the rites and rituals are not Wiccan.

[GaijinGuy36]

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Gaijin32

I have the love of the Lord and Lady. What else do I need?

The proper rites and Rituals. Wicca is not about belief. It's about practice. Wiccan doctrine states that the rites and rituals must be practiced a specific way. otherwise the rites and rituals are not Wiccan.

Silly, silly. All religions are about faith before anything else. The rest is just window dressing. It's what's in your heart that matters most. I'm secure in my faith, and feel Their love even when I have noone else. I'm Wiccan, I'm Solitary, and I'm happy. Cope.

[Loona Wynd]

Gaijin32

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Gaijin32

I have the love of the Lord and Lady. What else do I need?

The proper rites and Rituals. Wicca is not about belief. It's about practice. Wiccan doctrine states that the rites and rituals must be practiced a specific way. otherwise the rites and rituals are not Wiccan.

Silly, silly. All religions are about faith before anything else. The rest is just window dressing. It's what's in your heart that matters most. I'm secure in my faith, and feel Their love even when I have noone else. I'm Wiccan, I'm Solitary, and I'm happy. Cope.

Wica is an oathbound tradition- that is to say, the Wica swear oaths to defend and uphold the tradition and protect it.
Wica is a Experiential. That means that it as a religion is less about what you read and more about how being part of the cult and participating therein effects you.
Wica is a Mystery Cult. There are secrets, in both gnosis and informative forms, that are not revealed to the uninitiated.
Wica is Orthopraxic. It isn't about what you believe, but how you do things. This is of course in place to preserve the Experiential Mystery elements.
Wica is made completely of Clergy. This means that all the Wica are priests and priestesses.
Wica is an initiatory religion. This means that for you to be part of it, you have to be inducted ritualistically by other members of the Wica. This again preserves the Oathbound, Experiential Mystery dynamic

[GeminiSong]

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In your view maybe, but not to me. Titles like what one calls themselves in regards to religion can be sacred. To be Wiccan one earns the title through initiation and proper practices. You can't just one day decide to be Wiccan and that's it. It requires training and a way of life.

Then it seems we are at an impasse.

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Actually the requirements of the Gods do that. Wiccans are clergy of their Gods. They have specific requirements for the way that they act with other people. Thus they act accordingly.

That requires some pretty heavy assumptions. Like the idea that those Gods exist and even if they do, that they aren't lying to you. All that aside, that has nothing to do with the label.

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How many serious Pagans have you met?

I've never met one in person, but I've observed maybe like 5-6.

[GaijinGuy36]

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Gaijin32

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Gaijin32

I have the love of the Lord and Lady. What else do I need?

The proper rites and Rituals. Wicca is not about belief. It's about practice. Wiccan doctrine states that the rites and rituals must be practiced a specific way. otherwise the rites and rituals are not Wiccan.

Silly, silly. All religions are about faith before anything else. The rest is just window dressing. It's what's in your heart that matters most. I'm secure in my faith, and feel Their love even when I have noone else. I'm Wiccan, I'm Solitary, and I'm happy. Cope.

Wica is an oathbound tradition- that is to say, the Wica swear oaths to defend and uphold the tradition and protect it.
Wica is a Experiential. That means that it as a religion is less about what you read and more about how being part of the cult and participating therein effects you.
Wica is a Mystery Cult. There are secrets, in both gnosis and informative forms, that are not revealed to the uninitiated.
Wica is Orthopraxic. It isn't about what you believe, but how you do things. This is of course in place to preserve the Experiential Mystery elements.
Wica is made completely of Clergy. This means that all the Wica are priests and priestesses.
Wica is an initiatory religion. This means that for you to be part of it, you have to be inducted ritualistically by other members of the Wica. This again preserves the Oathbound, Experiential Mystery dynamic

And if your heart isn't in any of it, you're just acting out empty rites. Just going through the motions, as it were. And I'm done with that. Hell, that's why I veered away from Catholicism. The same old prayers and songs just didn't fill me spirit with what I needed any more. I found something that did, and by the powers, I'm sticking to it.

I say again, I'm Wiccan, Solitary, and damn proud. For the record, though, I was a part of an on-post Wiccan circle at Ft. Lewis, and a member of White Shadow Coven, in Milwaukee for a bit. I have both solo and group experience.

[Loona Wynd]

Gaijin32

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Gaijin32

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Gaijin32

I have the love of the Lord and Lady. What else do I need?

The proper rites and Rituals. Wicca is not about belief. It's about practice. Wiccan doctrine states that the rites and rituals must be practiced a specific way. otherwise the rites and rituals are not Wiccan.

Silly, silly. All religions are about faith before anything else. The rest is just window dressing. It's what's in your heart that matters most. I'm secure in my faith, and feel Their love even when I have noone else. I'm Wiccan, I'm Solitary, and I'm happy. Cope.

Wica is an oathbound tradition- that is to say, the Wica swear oaths to defend and uphold the tradition and protect it.
Wica is a Experiential. That means that it as a religion is less about what you read and more about how being part of the cult and participating therein effects you.
Wica is a Mystery Cult. There are secrets, in both gnosis and informative forms, that are not revealed to the uninitiated.
Wica is Orthopraxic. It isn't about what you believe, but how you do things. This is of course in place to preserve the Experiential Mystery elements.
Wica is made completely of Clergy. This means that all the Wica are priests and priestesses.
Wica is an initiatory religion. This means that for you to be part of it, you have to be inducted ritualistically by other members of the Wica. This again preserves the Oathbound, Experiential Mystery dynamic

And if your heart isn't in any of it, you're just acting out empty rites. Just going through the motions, as it were. And I'm done with that. Hell, that's why I veered away from Catholicism. The same old prayers and songs just didn't fill me spirit with what I needed any more. I found something that did, and by the powers, I'm sticking to it.

Read the bolded again. It's about practice not beliefs. Wiccans dont believe in their Gods. They know their Gods through ritual.

Gaijin32

I say again, I'm Wiccan, Solitary, and damn proud. For the record, though, I was a part of an on-post Wiccan circle at Ft. Lewis, and a member of White Shadow Coven, in Milwaukee for a bit. I have both solo and group experience.

And what was the lineage of that coven? I repeate: Wicca" refers specifically to the lineaged, initiatory mystery religion with roots in the New Forest region of Great Britain, manifested today through various "traditions" all linked with a common ancestry back to the New Forest area. "Wiccans" or "The Wica" are the properly lineaged, properly initiated members of those Traditions.