Wicca

[GeminiSong]

Namikikyo

Only if I get to whip you like the bitching animal your turning out to be.

Then we can play any game you fancy.

Ohhhh, it's a deal baby. wink

[Sinda Quezari]

Reverend Rainbow Chaser

You misunderstand my point. My point isn't that Wicca means 'Y' it's that Wicca can mean anything, because it's just a word and words change in meaning.

In that case I shall now declare that "table" actually means those pieces of cloth people hang by their windows. It also means any quadruped now, because a word can mean anything since their meanings change, no matter what its actual definition is. 3nodding

[GeminiSong]

Sinda Quezari

Reverend Rainbow Chaser

You misunderstand my point. My point isn't that Wicca means 'Y' it's that Wicca can mean anything, because it's just a word and words change in meaning.

In that case I shall now declare that "table" actually means those pieces of cloth people hang by their windows. It also means any quadruped now, because a word can mean anything since their meanings change, no matter what its actual definition is. 3nodding

I know you're trying to mock me, but yeah.

[kaninchen engel]

Sevashtyn

Whether you follow Wicca as a solitary practitioner or as a member of a coven is entirely up to you. There are debates about which one is 'right', but quite frankly those people need to get the sticks out of their asses. Some people, like myself, don't live in areas that allow for practicing in a group and so are forced to act as solitary practitioners. You can initiate yourself into the Craft once you feel that you have achieved that level of study and dedication to it. Others simply prefer to be a part of a community that shares the same basic beliefs. The real questions here are:

A. Is there a coven, or a group in your area that you are able to meet with?

B. Which do you feel more comfortable with?

she said it all!!!!

[Sinda Quezari]

Reverend Rainbow Chaser

Sinda Quezari

Reverend Rainbow Chaser

You misunderstand my point. My point isn't that Wicca means 'Y' it's that Wicca can mean anything, because it's just a word and words change in meaning.

In that case I shall now declare that "table" actually means those pieces of cloth people hang by their windows. It also means any quadruped now, because a word can mean anything since their meanings change, no matter what its actual definition is. 3nodding

I know you're trying to mock me, but yeah.

Indeed. Words have their defined meanings, some words more than one, as is the case with your example "gay". Some words have only one meaning, and some have also a figurative meaning. But there is a definition for every word, and those definitions don't change but over time - over very long time, normally, as the whole language develops.

"Wicca" means X, not Y. It cannot be Y, because it has already been defined as X.

[Namikikyo]

Reverend Rainbow Chaser

Namikikyo

Only if I get to whip you like the bitching animal your turning out to be.

Then we can play any game you fancy.

Ohhhh, it's a deal baby. wink

I should have seen that one coming...

[Namikikyo]

princess_yuki_cross

Sevashtyn

Whether you follow Wicca as a solitary practitioner or as a member of a coven is entirely up to you. There are debates about which one is 'right', but quite frankly those people need to get the sticks out of their asses. Some people, like myself, don't live in areas that allow for practicing in a group and so are forced to act as solitary practitioners. You can initiate yourself into the Craft once you feel that you have achieved that level of study and dedication to it. Others simply prefer to be a part of a community that shares the same basic beliefs. The real questions here are:

A. Is there a coven, or a group in your area that you are able to meet with?

B. Which do you feel more comfortable with?

she said it all!!!!

Wow. Your an idiot.

If you can't tell the difference between Witchcraft and Wicca, Then you need stop reading what ever bull s**t there is that your used to and get something that isn't garbage for once.

Craft =/= Wicca

EDIT: Also, you cannot initiate yourself into anything considering you need to be in a group to be initiated into anything. Which is the meaning of being initiated.

To be accepted into a group.

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Sinda Quezari

Words have their defined meanings, some words more than one, as is the case with your example "gay". Some words have only one meaning, and some have also a figurative meaning. But there is a definition for every word, and those definitions don't change but over time - over very long time, normally, as the whole language develops.

What does it matter how long it takes? Are you saying that in something like, 100 years, it will be okay to 'redefine' Wicca? Also, how do we decide what words get more than one meaning and what words only get one?

Sinda Quezari

"Wicca" means X, not Y. It cannot be Y, because it has already been defined as X.

IMO, that's like saying a basketball shot can only be worth two points because we agreed it would be worth two points yesterday.

[Sinda Quezari]

Reverend Rainbow Chaser

What does it matter how long it takes? Are you saying that in something like, 100 years, it will be okay to 'redefine' Wicca? Also, how do we decide what words get more than one meaning and what words only get one?

Meanings come over time, that's what I'm saying. Gardner made up the definition for Wicca, a word that had no meaning then and there, so Wicca means what he said it means, until the definition of the word changes over time. A door means a door if the door doesn't change. X means X if X doesn't change, and if X becomes Y over time, then X shall mean also Y. Wicca has not became something else, so it's still what Gardner said it is. If it changes, then it shall be something else. For example, take the word "home". Let's say it means the place where you live in. Then you move away. Does the word "home" now mean the place you now live in or the place you previously lived in? Something was added to the word, so now the word can mean both the place where you live currently and where you originally came from. There has not been a similar change within Wicca.

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IMO, that's like saying a basketball shot can only be worth two points because we agreed it would be worth two points yesterday.

No, using your analogy, I'm saying that a basketball shot is a basketball shot, not a football score. It's not about the points we have agreed to before, but what the actual thing is. A word refers to its definition, and thus the meaning of the word will change only when there is a change in what the word refers to.

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Sinda Quezari

Meanings come over time, that's what I'm saying. Gardner made up the definition for Wicca, a word that had no meaning then and there, so Wicca means what he said it means, until the definition of the word changes over time.

The way I see it, the word already has changed.

Sinda Quezari

A door means a door if the door doesn't change. X means X if X doesn't change, and if X becomes Y over time, then X shall mean also Y.

Gona have to disagree. X means nothing, it only represents whatever idea you want to attach to it.

Sinda Quezari

For example, take the word "home". Let's say it means the place where you live in. Then you move away. Does the word "home" now mean the place you now live in or the place you previously lived in? Something was added to the word, so now the word can mean both the place where you live currently and where you originally came from. There has not been a similar change within Wicca.

Uhh...yes there has. There are a ridiculous amount of people using Wicca to mean all sorts of things.

Sinda Quezari

No, using your analogy, I'm saying that a basketball shot is a basketball shot, not a football score. It's not about the points we have agreed to before, but what the actual thing is. A word refers to its definition, and thus the meaning of the word will change only when there is a change in what the word refers to.

A word refers to the idea a person is trying to express. Words are how we communicate our thoughts to one another. They don't represent definite meaning, they represent our thoughts. We agree that an orange is "a, reddish-yellow(orange), bitter or sweet, edible citrus fruit" for the sake of conversation, so we can talk about 'oranges'. In the same way we agree that a basketball shot it worth two points, so we can play.

[kage no neko]

Especially since what most people are trying to refer to as Wicca already has a label..

[mitus310]

Wicca to me was an alright belief but i didnt feel i was getting enough out of it. i feel a Wiccan coven was more of a support group, just to pratice with others that believed in the same thing as you.

[kage no neko]

mitus310

Wicca to me was an alright belief but i didnt feel i was getting enough out of it. i feel a Wiccan coven was more of a support group, just to pratice with others that believed in the same thing as you.

But Wicca is all about the practice, not the belief.
So it's not a support group, it's the religion itself.

[Sinda Quezari]

Reverend Rainbow Chaser

The way I see it, the word already has changed.

From the point of historical facts, it has not. The word has been slapped over something completely different from its original meaning. The word itself still is what it used to be. A table has not become a curtain.

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Gona have to disagree. X means nothing, it only represents whatever idea you want to attach to it.

Tables and curtains again. Even if I want "table" to mean "curtain", it doesn't change the meaning of the word. If I tell someone I just saw a dog, when in fact it was a cat, it doesn't matter if I want to attach the idea of a cat into the word. Words already have been attached their meanings.

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Uhh...yes there has. There are a ridiculous amount of people using Wicca to mean all sorts of things.

Doesn't actually make it true. Factual history still disagrees. It says Wicca is only X by definition, and thus Y cannot be Wicca. Language doesn't evolve that way, and it's tables changing to curtains again.

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A word refers to the idea a person is trying to express. Words are how we communicate our thoughts to one another. They don't represent definite meaning, they represent our thoughts. We agree that an orange is "a, reddish-yellow(orange), bitter or sweet, edible citrus fruit" for the sake of conversation, so we can talk about 'oranges'. In the same way we agree that a basketball shot it worth two points, so we can play.

Indeed, and for example in the case of oranges, that already is the factual definition of the word. The same goes with Wicca. Wicca has a definition that says it's X, so it cannot suddenly become something completely different, just like "an orange" cannot suddenly mean "a lake". You are thinking that "orange" can mean anything, according to what we are trying to say. You are saying that we can call lakes oranges, when we cannot.

[kage no neko]

Sinda Quezari

Indeed, and for example in the case of oranges, that already is the factual definition of the word. The same goes with Wicca. Wicca has a definition that says it's X, so it cannot suddenly become something completely different, just like "an orange" cannot suddenly mean "a lake". You are thinking that "orange" can mean anything, according to what we are trying to say. You are saying that we can call lakes oranges, when we cannot.

I think I've figured it out.
You CAN call a lake "orange".
You can call anything you want whatever you like.

Just the problem is since we use words to convey our thoughts, noone will understand what we're talking about.