Why same sex marriages can never be

[RICA RIOT ooxx]

I'm just sayn'

[OneWithDunamis]

AstroFemme

OneWithDunamis

AstroFemme

OneWithDunamis

Because by definition a marriage is the union between a man and a woman. If they change the definition of this word, what other words will they change next? Communication will break down and everything becomes ambiguous. Look at the Tower of Babel. They couldn't communicate with each other and an entire nation of people was scattered.

Don't be selfish. Think of the greater good of society, if you intend to stay with the society you're familiar with.

You know the definition of marriage has changed over the centuries, right?

Also, you do know there are more than one types of marriage mentioned in the bible, right?

I speak of the destruction of language which leads to a same fate for society, and marriage is just one major contributing factor among many.

Again, there has not been just one definition of marriage because there is more than one type of marriage mentioned in the bible. Not only that, the definition of marriage itself has changed through out the years.

Which is unfortunate because words don't have fixed meanings. You need to say more to say one thing. It's like we're trying to get the 1984 dictionary in print or something.

[AstroFemme]

OneWithDunamis

AstroFemme

OneWithDunamis

Because by definition a marriage is the union between a man and a woman. If they change the definition of this word, what other words will they change next? Communication will break down and everything becomes ambiguous. Look at the Tower of Babel. They couldn't communicate with each other and an entire nation of people was scattered.

Don't be selfish. Think of the greater good of society, if you intend to stay with the society you're familiar with.

You know the definition of marriage has changed over the centuries, right?

Also, you do know there are more than one types of marriage mentioned in the bible, right?

I speak of the destruction of language which leads to a same fate for society, and marriage is just one major contributing factor among many.

For example...

1. Polygynous Marriage

Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife.

2. Levirate Marriage

When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan (Gen. 38:6-10).

3. A man, a woman and her property — a female slave

The famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham (Gen. 16:1-6) and Jacob (Gen. 30:4-5).

4. A man, one or more wives, and some concubines

The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine (Judges 19:1-30).

5. A male soldier and a female prisoner of war

Women could be taken as booty from a successful campaign and forced to become wives or concubines. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes the process.

6. A male rapist and his victim

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 describes how an unmarried woman who had been raped must marry her attacker.

7. A male and female slave

A female slave could be married to a male slave without consent, presumably to produce more slaves, and of course …

8. Monogamous, heterosexual marriage

What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history.

[OneWithDunamis]

RICA RIOT ooxx

I'm just sayn'

Sure, we'll go with morality then. Society's so morally corrupt that that passage has become frowned upon. Why should that be the case? I'm all for virgin wives.

[Kiumaru]

Anyway, let us look at the etymology of the word "marriage":

Etymology Online

marriage
c.1300, from O.Fr. mariage (12c.), from V.L. *maritaticum, from L. maritatus, pp. of maritatre "to wed, marry, give in marriage" (see marry).
"When two people are under the influence of the most violent, most insane, most delusive, and most transient of passions, they are required to swear that they will remain in that excited, abnormal, and exhausting condition until death do them part." [G.B. Shaw]
Marriage counselling first recorded 1945. Marriage bed, fig. of marital intercourse generally, is attested from 1590.

Note, nowhere in that passage were the sex of the "two people" mentioned.

Rica: What are you doing here? o.o

[OddMajik]

OneWithDunamis

Left Wolf

uhh
i have nothing against same sex marrige
and honestly i dont see a reason why you should
it wouldent really affect you in any way
and your tower of babel refrence is void because thats your religion and i dont folow the same religion...

if you could come up with a fact about how it would despreatly kill your lifestyle and warp you in some way shape or form then maybe I would consider your point of view..

but i dont see why not sweatdrop

My Babel reference came from the Bible, but the implications are not entirely religious. Put a bunch of people in the same room who don't speak each others' languages and they're not gonna talk.

And it doesn't affect me specifically. But when I die and the world is in ruins, it'll be the problem of future societies. The same way the economy is affecting the innocent younger generations today.

oh come onnn
what would happen if to pepole got married that werent a guy and a girl that would be so horrible?????

[Amalia Segreta]

OneWithDunamis

simlanna

OneWithDunamis

Kiumaru

OneWithDunamis

Canada is a joke. I know from a life-time of experience.

Why is it a joke? You simply stated an opinion and you expect us to know what you're talking about? What are the problems with society in Canada? How does that stem from language/lexicon? Et cetera.

Otherwise, you haven't really proven anything.

My example of "I love you" = "F- you" is a pretty Canadian phenomenon.

pretty much, I think you are just afraid of committment.

Any relationship that I've been in that progressed to the point of saying "I love you" had a good basis for both parties to understand the context of that statement.

I say "I love you" in a positive way to people all the time. But they run screaming to their mommies who then threaten lawsuit. What has the world come to?!

OH, well, that clarifies the situation and obviously makes it generalizable.

Why should your inability to communicate impact other people's ability to marry?

[OneWithDunamis]

AstroFemme

OneWithDunamis

AstroFemme

OneWithDunamis

Because by definition a marriage is the union between a man and a woman. If they change the definition of this word, what other words will they change next? Communication will break down and everything becomes ambiguous. Look at the Tower of Babel. They couldn't communicate with each other and an entire nation of people was scattered.

Don't be selfish. Think of the greater good of society, if you intend to stay with the society you're familiar with.

You know the definition of marriage has changed over the centuries, right?

Also, you do know there are more than one types of marriage mentioned in the bible, right?

I speak of the destruction of language which leads to a same fate for society, and marriage is just one major contributing factor among many.

For example...

1. Polygynous Marriage

Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife.

2. Levirate Marriage

When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan (Gen. 38:6-10).

3. A man, a woman and her property — a female slave

The famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham (Gen. 16:1-6) and Jacob (Gen. 30:4-5).

4. A man, one or more wives, and some concubines

The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine (Judges 19:1-30).

5. A male soldier and a female prisoner of war

Women could be taken as booty from a successful campaign and forced to become wives or concubines. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes the process.

6. A male rapist and his victim

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 describes how an unmarried woman who had been raped must marry her attacker.

7. A male and female slave

A female slave could be married to a male slave without consent, presumably to produce more slaves, and of course …

8. Monogamous, heterosexual marriage

What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history.

Which is all fine, but I'm using the definition from my Merriam-Webster dictionary, printed in 1997, given to me by Vince Carter, formally of New Jersey Nets.

So while I did use a biblical reference, I'm drawing the definition from the dictionary. The Babel concept is only there to illustrate the effects loss of communication has on society.

[RICA RIOT ooxx]

♫♪Now if she does it like this xo
♫♪Will you do it like that
♫♪Now if she touches like this
♫♪Will you touch her right back


That's not fair.
You were quoting the bible.
The bible SAYS that non virgin wives are to not exist.

So thus half the female population wouldn't be here.
You're down for that?
For them to be killed?

[Waves at Kiu]
Nobody was in Lorii's thread so I was wondering what everyone was doing.
^^
I found you. Haha.

♫♪♫Now if she moves like this
♫♪♫Will you move her like that
♫♪♫Come on, shake, shake
♫♪♫Shake, shake, shake it

[Kiumaru]

OneWithDunamis

RICA RIOT ooxx

I'm just sayn'

Sure, we'll go with morality then. Society's so morally corrupt that that passage has become frowned upon. Why should that be the case? I'm all for virgin wives.

Wait... Frowning down upon the execution of nonvirgin wives is bad?

Rica: Stalker! =O

[OneWithDunamis]

Left Wolf

OneWithDunamis

Left Wolf

uhh
i have nothing against same sex marrige
and honestly i dont see a reason why you should
it wouldent really affect you in any way
and your tower of babel refrence is void because thats your religion and i dont folow the same religion...

if you could come up with a fact about how it would despreatly kill your lifestyle and warp you in some way shape or form then maybe I would consider your point of view..

but i dont see why not sweatdrop

My Babel reference came from the Bible, but the implications are not entirely religious. Put a bunch of people in the same room who don't speak each others' languages and they're not gonna talk.

And it doesn't affect me specifically. But when I die and the world is in ruins, it'll be the problem of future societies. The same way the economy is affecting the innocent younger generations today.

oh come onnn
what would happen if to pepole got married that werent a guy and a girl that would be so horrible?????

Snowball effect. One thing leads to another. If it's just one couple, whatever. But when it becomes normal for a word to be interpreted many ways, that's trouble. Yes, there are other words in the language with more than one meaning, but enough is enough!

[RICA RIOT ooxx]

♫♪Now if she does it like this xo
♫♪Will you do it like that
♫♪Now if she touches like this
♫♪Will you touch her right back


@Kiu: Only a bit. <3 ;D

♫♪♫Now if she moves like this
♫♪♫Will you move her like that
♫♪♫Come on, shake, shake
♫♪♫Shake, shake, shake it

[OneWithDunamis]

Kiumaru

OneWithDunamis

RICA RIOT ooxx

I'm just sayn'

Sure, we'll go with morality then. Society's so morally corrupt that that passage has become frowned upon. Why should that be the case? I'm all for virgin wives.

Wait... Frowning down upon the execution of nonvirgin wives is bad?

Rica: Stalker! =O

Yup. Why shouldn't it be? I don't want sloppy seconds. I have the right to know. And when I know, I won't marry that particular individual.

[RICA RIOT ooxx]

♫♪Now if she does it like this xo
♫♪Will you do it like that
♫♪Now if she touches like this
♫♪Will you touch her right back


That wasn't my question.
I don't care about YOUR sloppy seconds.
Are you okay with people being murdered for having sex before marriage?
That is my question.


♫♪♫Now if she moves like this
♫♪♫Will you move her like that
♫♪♫Come on, shake, shake
♫♪♫Shake, shake, shake it

[Kiumaru]

OneWithDunamis

Snowball effect. One thing leads to another. If it's just one couple, whatever. But when it becomes normal for a word to be interpreted many ways, that's trouble. Yes, there are other words in the language with more than one meaning, but enough is enough!

Slippery slope is a logical fallacy. Just because you say one thing will lead to another doesn't mean that it will and it rarely ever does. If we followed the slippery slope fallacy, we would be too afraid to do anything at all as well as if such a fallacy were true, we'd all be dead by now.

Rica: =P

OneWithDunamis: You're awfully violent. Just because they were a nonvirgin doesn't mean that they should be stoned. What about nonvirgin men who were married? Should they be stoned too? Also, please refer to my previous post about the etymology of the word "marriage".