virginity: your thoughts

[Instructor12345]

Breuger

There may not be a pill, but there is an operation to get your hymen back. Unless we are talking about virginity in a psychological sense, which is hard to do...

Which was exactly my point, psychologically, there is no way to get back your virginity, therefore since it is a one-time deal, I believe is should be held precious to those who wish to stay a virgin.

[Instructor12345]

phantomkitsune

BombInABox

phantomkitsune

Virginity is prized too highly. Yes, your first time should be special, but in an age of birth control, disease tests, and paternity tests, there's no reason to remain a virgin until marriage.

What if it is for religious beliefs? Such as the average Christian girl wanting to stay "pure" until she gets married? Even if there is birth control, there is no pill to get your virginity back.

Have you heard of saddlebacking? Very few people stay 'pure' because of religion. And even that religious doctrine is based on fear of disease and on wanting to be able to establish paternity. And it's a fairly new phenomenon. In the seventeenth and eighteenth century in the US, premarital sex and even pregnancy was completely acceptable, as long as the father, or someone, married the mother.

I'm arguing on the basis of the idea of the personal beliefs of the virgin, not the society's idea of "acceptable." Because in the end, whose truly going to judge what is right to themselves other than the very people making the decision?

[botticellis venus]

creepy. the only reason i would see why someone would do that is if they were some kind of political leader that needed to be married to some other political leader and be a virgin.

[Breuger]

Then what is it exactly you're trying to argue? Phantom is saying that the religious/societal reasoning is obsolete, however one's own personal beliefs are ones own, which cannot be changed if the owner does not wish too.

[Instructor12345]

Breuger

Then what is it exactly you're trying to argue? Phantom is saying that the religious/societal reasoning is obsolete, however one's own personal beliefs are one own, which cannot be changed if the owner does not wish too.

I replied to Phantom's argument stating my basis for the argument which was basically personal freedom. And, if you look carefully at yours and my arguments we pretty much agree with eachother. Breuger: however one's own personal beliefs are one own, which cannot be changed if the owner does not wish too.

[GREEEEEEEEEEEN]

I'm a virgin but only because I believe sex clogs the mind and that there is some sort of little attachment with anyone you do it with if you're not a prostitute or do it a lot.
But ohhh lawd I've done just about everything except penetration.

I believe it's up to a person if they want to or not, and people shouldn't judge them on that.

[Massive Hemorrhage]

Fight Club Jesus

I'm a virgin but only because I believe sex clogs the mind and that there is some sort of little attachment with anyone you do it with if you're not a prostitute or do it a lot.
But ohhh lawd I've done just about everything except penetration.

I believe it's up to a person if they want to or not, and people shouldn't judge them on that.

Wow, your point of view makes no ******** sense.

[Instructor12345]

Well, I'm going to bed ya'll. Have a great night!

[phantomkitsune]

BombInABox

phantomkitsune

BombInABox

phantomkitsune

Virginity is prized too highly. Yes, your first time should be special, but in an age of birth control, disease tests, and paternity tests, there's no reason to remain a virgin until marriage.

What if it is for religious beliefs? Such as the average Christian girl wanting to stay "pure" until she gets married? Even if there is birth control, there is no pill to get your virginity back.

Have you heard of saddlebacking? Very few people stay 'pure' because of religion. And even that religious doctrine is based on fear of disease and on wanting to be able to establish paternity. And it's a fairly new phenomenon. In the seventeenth and eighteenth century in the US, premarital sex and even pregnancy was completely acceptable, as long as the father, or someone, married the mother.

I'm arguing on the basis of the idea of the personal beliefs of the virgin, not the society's idea of "acceptable." Because in the end, whose truly going to judge what is right to themselves other than the very people making the decision?

So your argument is that no one can have sex with you until you're ready? Okay, yes, I think we all like respecting rape laws.
Personal beliefs are societal beliefs. An individual may belong to a sub-society, but it's no coincidence that right-wing evangelical Christianity, abstinence-encouraging pop culture (the Jonas Brothers, Twilight, purity balls), and abstinence-only sex education are all on the rise. I strongly support personal choice, but the glamorization of virginity as the most important aspect of marriage is ridiculous, particularly as, as I stated earlier, the obsession is based on factors that no longer apply.

[botticellis venus]

phantomkitsune

BombInABox

phantomkitsune

BombInABox

phantomkitsune

Virginity is prized too highly. Yes, your first time should be special, but in an age of birth control, disease tests, and paternity tests, there's no reason to remain a virgin until marriage.

What if it is for religious beliefs? Such as the average Christian girl wanting to stay "pure" until she gets married? Even if there is birth control, there is no pill to get your virginity back.

Have you heard of saddlebacking? Very few people stay 'pure' because of religion. And even that religious doctrine is based on fear of disease and on wanting to be able to establish paternity. And it's a fairly new phenomenon. In the seventeenth and eighteenth century in the US, premarital sex and even pregnancy was completely acceptable, as long as the father, or someone, married the mother.

I'm arguing on the basis of the idea of the personal beliefs of the virgin, not the society's idea of "acceptable." Because in the end, whose truly going to judge what is right to themselves other than the very people making the decision?

So your argument is that no one can have sex with you until you're ready? Okay, yes, I think we all like respecting rape laws.
Personal beliefs are societal beliefs. An individual may belong to a sub-society, but it's no coincidence that right-wing evangelical Christianity, abstinence-encouraging pop culture (the Jonas Brothers, Twilight, purity balls), and abstinence-only sex education are all on the rise. I strongly support personal choice, but the glamorization of virginity as the most important aspect of marriage is ridiculous, particularly as, as I stated earlier, the obsession is based on factors that no longer apply.

it isent the most important aspect of marriage.

quick question: what is wrong, exactly, with abstinence?

[Breuger]

BombInABox

Breuger

Then what is it exactly you're trying to argue? Phantom is saying that the religious/societal reasoning is obsolete, however one's own personal beliefs are one own, which cannot be changed if the owner does not wish too.

I replied to Phantom's argument stating my basis for the argument which was basically personal freedom. And, if you look carefully at yours and my arguments we pretty much agree with eachother. Breuger: however one's own personal beliefs are one own, which cannot be changed if the owner does not wish too.

Yes, I know we have the same stance on this subject. What I am trying to say is that you and Phantom are arguing different fields of play. She's saying things about how she dislike society's over-glamorization and pushing of the "virginity vendetta", not how wishing to stay a virgin is unacceptable.

[Instructor12345]

phantomkitsune

BombInABox

phantomkitsune

BombInABox

phantomkitsune

Virginity is prized too highly. Yes, your first time should be special, but in an age of birth control, disease tests, and paternity tests, there's no reason to remain a virgin until marriage.

What if it is for religious beliefs? Such as the average Christian girl wanting to stay "pure" until she gets married? Even if there is birth control, there is no pill to get your virginity back.

Have you heard of saddlebacking? Very few people stay 'pure' because of religion. And even that religious doctrine is based on fear of disease and on wanting to be able to establish paternity. And it's a fairly new phenomenon. In the seventeenth and eighteenth century in the US, premarital sex and even pregnancy was completely acceptable, as long as the father, or someone, married the mother.

I'm arguing on the basis of the idea of the personal beliefs of the virgin, not the society's idea of "acceptable." Because in the end, whose truly going to judge what is right to themselves other than the very people making the decision?

So your argument is that no one can have sex with you until you're ready? Okay, yes, I think we all like respecting rape laws.
Personal beliefs are societal beliefs. An individual may belong to a sub-society, but it's no coincidence that right-wing evangelical Christianity, abstinence-encouraging pop culture (the Jonas Brothers, Twilight, purity balls), and abstinence-only sex education are all on the rise. I strongly support personal choice, but the glamorization of virginity as the most important aspect of marriage is ridiculous, particularly as, as I stated earlier, the obsession is based on factors that no longer apply.

If you would take a look at some of my earlier posts I stated that some of the most important aspects of marriage were patience, understanding, communication, and ultimately love. I never once in any of my arguments jumped to the conclusion that marriage revolves around the personal freedom of being a virgin. Sounds to me like your putting words in my mouth. ninja
Well, I can tell you are a great debater and I respect you for that. I hope you have a great night. biggrin

[Instructor12345]

Breuger

BombInABox

Breuger

Then what is it exactly you're trying to argue? Phantom is saying that the religious/societal reasoning is obsolete, however one's own personal beliefs are one own, which cannot be changed if the owner does not wish too.

I replied to Phantom's argument stating my basis for the argument which was basically personal freedom. And, if you look carefully at yours and my arguments we pretty much agree with eachother. Breuger: however one's own personal beliefs are one own, which cannot be changed if the owner does not wish too.

Yes, I know we have the same stance on this subject. What I am trying to say is that you and Phantom are arguing different fields of play. She's saying things about how she dislike society's over-glamorization and pushing of the "virginity vendetta", not how wishing to stay a virgin is unacceptable.

Well if only she took a look at MTV once in awhile she would see that sex is much more over-glamorized than abstinence LOL. biggrin Well, I'm going to bed, peace people!

[Urusai_Shinjitsu]

BombInABox

phantomkitsune

Virginity is prized too highly. Yes, your first time should be special, but in an age of birth control, disease tests, and paternity tests, there's no reason to remain a virgin until marriage.

What if it is for religious beliefs? Such as the average Christian girl wanting to stay "pure" until she gets married? Even if there is birth control, there is no pill to get your virginity back.

Religious belief is not a valid reason, it is still illogical. This whole "purity" concept with virginity and trying to make virginity out as a virtue is only a shallow way for people to feel self rightious and morally superior to others. All virginity is is a state of not of having sex yet, its no more valuable than being a virgin to driving a car.

[botticellis venus]

Urusai_Shinjitsu

BombInABox

phantomkitsune

Virginity is prized too highly. Yes, your first time should be special, but in an age of birth control, disease tests, and paternity tests, there's no reason to remain a virgin until marriage.

What if it is for religious beliefs? Such as the average Christian girl wanting to stay "pure" until she gets married? Even if there is birth control, there is no pill to get your virginity back.

Religious belief is not a valid reason, it is still illogical. This whole "purity" concept with virginity and trying to make virginity out as a virtue is only a shallow way for people to feel self rightious and morally superior to others. All virginity is is a state of not of having sex yet, its no more valuable than being a virgin to driving a car.

or its a way for them to show their dedication to their god.