Transgender Issues- not just "men in dresses"

Are you affected by trans issues?

Yes- I'm trans/I think I might be trans	16.2%	[ 919 ]
Yes- I have a trans friend or relative	12.1%	[ 687 ]
Indirectly- I have a trans acquaintance	6.0%	[ 341 ]
Not directly, but I feel these issues affect me indirectly/ I feel that these issues affect everyone	23.5%	[ 1336 ]
Not at all	31.1%	[ 1766 ]
I don't know	11.1%	[ 630 ]
Total Votes:			[ 5679 ]

[Artemesia_of_Persia]

IronicAtheist

The best way to explain this is:


Imagine a man, you know a person with a p***s. This is the ONLY thing you can claim about a man. My point is you don't have to like beer,sports,chicks,hate school,love video games,think your superior to women in order to be a man.

Imagine a person, this person likes and has interest in pink,barbies,boys,what they did earlier today and MUST talk about it,and gets pissy. What are they? a sexist says that they are a women. But in all actuality both men and women can have these attributes.

Imagine another person, this person likes and has interest in sports,girls,action figures,black,don't like to socialize,and are assholes. What are they? A sexist says a man. But unfortunately men and women alike can have these attributes.

Basically i have a problem with those who have a generalized idea of what a man is and what a women is(excluding the generalization that a man has a p***s and women have a v****a), Basically if you believe there is something beyond the gender itself.

I'm not sure who you think is transitioning for the sake of outdated binary social roles, but last I checked transition was about dysphoria, the disconnect between the body and the bits the mind is expecting.

[butsnif]

hey guys and gals
id just like to add my support
its good to find this on gaia
mrgreen

[Wheelbarrow of Dicks]

******** love your screen name thing man. smile

[Artemesia_of_Persia]

Sexual Chocolat

Maaaaaaaaaan what, so we can't just chill in here? xd

This thread is in the extended discussion forum. That means, the exception is for on topic debate type posts. The chatterbox is for random chatter. Why not instead of spamming a debate thread with random off topic derailing chat, you start your own chatterbox thread for your friends to chat in.

[Wheelbarrow of Dicks]

Well technically chatting is discussing. Chatting for a long time IS extended discussing. So we're good. smile

[butsnif]

so can i say... hi?
im new and i would like to get to know who people are before we get down to serious discussion?
mrgreen

[Wheelbarrow of Dicks]

Hey man I'm new too. Well, I'm Rio, I'm 18 and I like making music.

[Gwion Vaughn]

butsnif

hey guys and gals
id just like to add my support
its good to find this on gaia
mrgreen

Welcome to the thread. Do you have any questions?

[Aino Ailill]

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Syndactyly

If they like it, it's not rape.

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Rape is sex someone doesn't want or consent to. If she likes being brutalized, it isn't rape. She enjoyed the experience. It would better be described as "surprise sex," because she LIKED being dominated, LIKED saying no, LIKED the struggle. And of course she's going to call it rape because in her mind the idea of rape turns her on. So she'd never admit that it wasn't rape, even though technically she liked it.

If a girl says she DID not like the rape, was NOT turned on, DID NOT like saying no, etc... Yeah, she was raped. She wasn't getting off on being brutalized.

You can like it but still not consent for other reasons, like not wanting your hymen broken or something like that.

Hmmm. I concede to that point. I suppose in a very sick, twisted way a woman could call it rape for reasons like that. But she still enjoyed the sex. To pull the rape card would be ridiculous. But I suppose if we took that right away from women then men could just say, "she was enjoying it, but she's lying now in court." NOT like that would effect anything, men almost ALWAYS lose rape cases even if the girl IS lying.

Prove that.

Why would it be sick and twisted for a person to call forcible sex rape and attempt to charge the rapist with the crime even in spite of deriving physical pleasure? It isn't as if the nerves stop working just because the mind says 'no.'

[butsnif]

Sexual Chocolat

Hey man I'm new too. Well, I'm Rio, I'm 18 and I like making music.

hey mrgreen
im 27 and i like listening to it
(im rubbish at playing but i manage to surround myself with musicians mrgreen )

im kind of just picking up my life where i left off at the moment smile

[butsnif]

Gwion Vaughn

butsnif

hey guys and gals
id just like to add my support
its good to find this on gaia
mrgreen

Welcome to the thread. Do you have any questions?

thanks for the welcome, im glad to be here mrgreen
yeah
just a wee bit dubious of the 17 pages of my posts that come up on google when i type my username in.
ninja

[Wheelbarrow of Dicks]

butsnif

Sexual Chocolat

Hey man I'm new too. Well, I'm Rio, I'm 18 and I like making music.

hey mrgreen
im 27 and i like listening to it
(im rubbish at playing but i manage to surround myself with musicians mrgreen )

im kind of just picking up my life where i left off at the moment smile

I like listening more than I like making it, less work lol. Nice meeting you but it's about 6:00 AM over here and I'm gonna take my Blatino a** to sleep. Good mornin from America.

[butsnif]

Sexual Chocolat

butsnif

Sexual Chocolat

Hey man I'm new too. Well, I'm Rio, I'm 18 and I like making music.

hey mrgreen
im 27 and i like listening to it
(im rubbish at playing but i manage to surround myself with musicians mrgreen )

im kind of just picking up my life where i left off at the moment smile

I like listening more than I like making it, less work lol. Nice meeting you but it's about 6:00 AM over here and I'm gonna take my Blatino a** to sleep. Good mornin from America.

good morning to you its 11 here n i have to go to work soon anyway
ttfn

[Recursive Paradox]

Wow. I gotta say, I didn't expect Syn to be a rape apologist.

NecHocNecIllud

Recursive Paradox

As for folk on the inside, it's fighting that constant pressure from outside to make ourselves valid that creates this bullshit. We've all got this ingrained fear (we may not even be aware of it) of being seen as not a woman, a man or whatever other gender we might be as the case determines. So we all (mostly) try to assert our experiences as valid. A lot of trans folk forget that multiple experiences are valid and start believing that if trans folk who aren't like them are accepted by society, they'll be tossed cuz they're different and ergo invalid.

I think this is maybe one of the advantages of being non-binary, or maybe of not much caring what other people think generally. For me this falls under the category of observed phenomenon.

Not caring is the advantage. If anything nonbinaries are nailed the worst by the "omg you're different and ergo wrong and ********!" Because well, nonbinaries are different than the binary.

[Yaminon]

Aino Ailill

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Syndactyly

If they like it, it's not rape.

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Rape is sex someone doesn't want or consent to. If she likes being brutalized, it isn't rape. She enjoyed the experience. It would better be described as "surprise sex," because she LIKED being dominated, LIKED saying no, LIKED the struggle. And of course she's going to call it rape because in her mind the idea of rape turns her on. So she'd never admit that it wasn't rape, even though technically she liked it.

If a girl says she DID not like the rape, was NOT turned on, DID NOT like saying no, etc... Yeah, she was raped. She wasn't getting off on being brutalized.

You can like it but still not consent for other reasons, like not wanting your hymen broken or something like that.

Hmmm. I concede to that point. I suppose in a very sick, twisted way a woman could call it rape for reasons like that. But she still enjoyed the sex. To pull the rape card would be ridiculous. But I suppose if we took that right away from women then men could just say, "she was enjoying it, but she's lying now in court." NOT like that would effect anything, men almost ALWAYS lose rape cases even if the girl IS lying.

Prove that.

Why would it be sick and twisted for a person to call forcible sex rape and attempt to charge the rapist with the crime even in spite of deriving physical pleasure? It isn't as if the nerves stop working just because the mind says 'no.'

Yeah. Holy ********.

I've definitely been in a situation where I consented to sex that I didn't want, actually. I let him do it, but I didn't want it and it turned out to be pretty ******** traumatizing. I had told him over and over and over again that I did not want to do it but he pressured me into vaginal sex anyway. And it was terrible immediately. I asked him to stop, but he kept trying to shush me and get me to calm down and told me it was ok, etc, and wouldn't.

I mean, that's not rape either, right? I told him it was ok at first and even when I didn't want him to do it anymore I didn't make a big fuss out of it. I mean he was like 200lbs heavier than me. But that wasn't rape. I said it was ok.

FFS.