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Yes- I'm trans/I think I might be trans 0.16182426483536 16.2% [ 919 ]
Yes- I have a trans friend or relative 0.12097200211305 12.1% [ 687 ]
Indirectly- I have a trans acquaintance 0.060045782708223 6.0% [ 341 ]
Not directly, but I feel these issues affect me indirectly/ I feel that these issues affect everyone 0.23525268533192 23.5% [ 1336 ]
Not at all 0.31097024123965 31.1% [ 1766 ]
I don't know 0.11093502377179 11.1% [ 630 ]
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Curious: Define scientist. I always thought in order to be a scientist you had to be a professional of some sort.


I've got a biotechnology degree and a bioinformatics degree already. I'm doing work writing a peer reviewed article to go into a journal already as I work on my grad thesis too (which is pro work even tho I'm not getting paid). So yeah, I count now.

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Also, why doesn't your p***s bother you anymore? Or does it still?


It still does. And yes I have sex. I just figured out ways to cope.

But apparently I don't care much about my identity, cuz I seem so ******** eager to get played with. Douche.
Hey that's what i plan on getting into college for, how long did it take for you to get just 1 of your degrees?
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That was my point. But ALL transwomen are fetishized over, regardless of where they are in transition. Before transition, pre-op, and post-op.


You're wrong. Post op the fetish fades completely.
Some people like the other features of a transwoman than just her d**k. Also the "idea" of her going through this "magnificent transformation" can be a turn on for people. But in the case of transmen, it's like, "That disgusting cuntboy was a woman then tried to become a man but failed hard and they're still disgusting.


You're grasping at the most ridiculously silly straws I have ever seen. Have you simply left our universe and entered a parallel one? Did McCain get elected there?
So you have no counter argument. Seems you would know a lot about Oppositeland.

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To a certain extent the identity plays a role too. You're considered "soft men". Non dangerous guys by the lesbian community, who have all the parts they like to play with. Using T makes it all too real for them, turning you into hard men. The "softness" is removed.
This is true, but I've still had yet to meet a lesbian who was into transmen. The "threat" of a p***s is gone which defeats the purpose for me anyway because she probably wouldn't be too happy about penetrative sex if that's how she felt like. And if she wanted to play with my c**t I wouldn't be happy about that.


She'd want to play with your c**t cuz that's what the fetish is about. You seriously have no clue about this stuff. It blows my mind. Were you living in a nunnery for the past 5 years? o.O
Yes, but I never said I wouldn't ******** her. See, if she has a fetish for my c**t, and that will get me laid, I'll do it, even if it requires putting aside my gender identity. A lot of transwomen do it too.

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Transwomen seem much more eager to have their dicks played with because in their mind they can call it a "big c**t."


...******** you. No seriously, ******** you. You don't have a goddamn clue. Calling it a big c**t doesn't work for a whole lot of us at all, half the time it's just a joke so that we stop crying about it for a little while. How ******** dare you assume we're all eager to get our s**t played with. I've been hurt pretty goddamn ******** bad by people who've just wanted to touch my d**k or do things to it. How. ********. Dare. You. Make such a claim about trans women in general. And just cuz you see s**t happen in porn doesn't mean it's wanted or happy. A lot of trans women get into porn cuz we have no where else to go. God ******** damn you are such an insensitive, obtuse p***k sometimes.
Well, if you're one of those transwomen who doesn't like her d**k to be played with, PLEASE speak now. Because I've never met a transwoman who didn't. She'd SAY she didn't, then go have sex and be like, "Wow, it really does feel good." What the ********.

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I'd still rather be ******** by someone who doesn't think I'm a man than never be ******** at all. I'm really getting tired of having no sex. A transwoman could easily find a fetishist though if she really wanted sex bad enough, or even pose herself as a feminine gay man if she was really desperate. I've reached the point of no return.


Not everyone is as desperate to get laid as you. In fact, most people aren't. Seriously, would you slice open your veins to get laid with a vampire fetishist? Let someone s**t on you just to get sex?
Desperate? No, because if I really was I would have stopped my transition and lived as a woman so I could get laid by straight men. THAT's desperate, and there ARE transmen who will avoid transitioning because they know it will ruin their sex lives.

As for the other two, that would require changing who I am.

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Stop ******** assuming we all have it so great because we can do s**t that'll trigger our dysphoria like crazy just to have sex. That's not great. That's ******** awful. It's disgusting that you act like we ought to be grateful for it.
It doesn't seem to trigger a t-girls dysphoria when she's moaning and cumming and loving it. I've had sex with a transgirl, SHE claimed to have dysphoria, and at a point asked me to ignore her p***s. Wow, she was the only one who's actions reflected by what she would say.

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It's like if a trans woman said to you, "I'm so jealous of your v****a, you're so lucky you have one" Um, wtf would be what you'd say. Well, um wtf is what I'm saying to you now.
I'd understand it. I'm jealous of her p***s, she's so lucky to have one.

OHHHHHH SNAAAAAAAP.

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The point is that men are turned on by it, whereas almost no one is turned on by cuntboys.


Men are turned on by it and women are turned on by trans guys. Have you noticed how shitty the porn market is for women right now and how much women friendly porn gets dropped?
Except still if there was a large market for t-guy porn it would exist somewhere. See, you're very largely only talking about the American porn industry. I watch a lot of porn from overseas, were woman-friendly porn is much more common. Still: no transmen.

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I really don't care if it's getting me sex. The sex is entirely superficial anyway, since I'm asking for one night stands. I'm not expecting them to love or even like me.

I would not RATHER be seen as a fake or soft man. But in terms of getting ********, I really don't care what they think. Apparently a lot of transwomen don't care about that either, since they'll let men who are CLEARLY GAY have sex with them.


Make one more ******** assumption about us and our identities based on your absolute ******** lack of knowledge about us and I swear to god you're ******** done forever, you little s**t. Don't you even ******** dare make assumptions like that. You have no ******** idea why they're in porn, their desperation, what they're going through. ******** you.
Then why do transwomen ******** gay men? Answer that question. Their "desperation"? They can get a normal job, it's illegal to discriminate based on gender identity.

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Prove that transmen fetishism is as common and widespread as transwoman fetishism.


I already did. Straight from the horse's mouth so to speak.
No you didn't. You proved nothing.

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PM me?


Not after you said that ******** up transmisogynistic s**t about trans women and how little we apparently care about our identities. I ain't ******** helping you ever again.
Cool, I don't give a ******** anyway.
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Curious: Define scientist. I always thought in order to be a scientist you had to be a professional of some sort.


I've got a biotechnology degree and a bioinformatics degree already. I'm doing work writing a peer reviewed article to go into a journal already as I work on my grad thesis too (which is pro work even tho I'm not getting paid). So yeah, I count now.
That's all I wanted to know. A lot of people say they're scientists but lack any real qualification.

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Also, why doesn't your p***s bother you anymore? Or does it still?


It still does. And yes I have sex. I just figured out ways to cope.

But apparently I don't care much about my identity, cuz I seem so ******** eager to get played with. Douche.
Why with your d**k? You have an a**s, AND a prostate. Your a**l sex is still better than it is for most transmen.
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@Syn: Actually ******** it, I'm done. I'm not gonna discuss this further with you. In your horny, nympho rage you've managed to really nastily insult all trans women and our identities, just cuz a lot of us need the money in porn. Not to mention you basically extending the same bullshit you pulled with Lex (right after getting dicked in the vag and claiming you were still a man like a hypocrite). I'm ******** done with that s**t from perspectiveless trans guy pricks. I get it enough on twitter. So seriously, I'm done. I'm not gonna respond to anything more from you on the subject or I'm gonna say some really nasty s**t I'll regret about you, your gender identity and parts of your body and what you can do with them for all I care.

IronicAtheist
Wait are you talking about a physical reason for a sex change?


We have a winner!
Well then obviously by reading my posts i wasn't referring to people in your situation.
Waiiiit. If a transwoman enjoys penile stimulation that doesn't make her a hypocrite.
Just like rape victims who liked it a little are still rape victims. You poke yourself in the eye, you blink. You get tickled, you laugh. You get touched in your G-Spot, you c**. Simple.
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@Syn: Actually ******** it, I'm done. I'm not gonna discuss this further with you. In your horny, nympho rage you've managed to really nastily insult all trans women and our identities, just cuz a lot of us need the money in porn. Not to mention you basically extending the same bullshit you pulled with Lex (right after getting dicked in the vag and claiming you were still a man like a hypocrite). I'm ******** done with that s**t from perspectiveless trans guy pricks. I get it enough on twitter. So seriously, I'm done. I'm not gonna respond to anything more from you on the subject or I'm gonna say some really nasty s**t I'll regret about you, your gender identity and parts of your body and what you can do with them for all I care.
No, just the transwomen who let themselves be objectified. They can get real jobs, they don't have to work in the sex industry. In fact, it's pretty damn hard to get into the sex industry, so any transwoman who's a porn star had to work her a** of to get there-- to get ******** by gay men and have her c**k sucked.

See, the fact is, I stopped. Lex ******** straight men left and right, and doesn't take THEIR identity into consideration or respect it. I would never ******** a straight man. I had sex with a transwoman, we were both experimenting. She got over it and I got over it, she didn't want her d**k inside anything and I didn't want anything in my c**t. We both found that out rather quickly. That's when we switched and I'd ******** her in the a**, which she liked a lot more.

Yeah, you could attempt to insult my gender identity, for completely invalid reasons, thereby making you a hypocrite. If you're going to use "you like p***y sex" against me, well, you'd be wrong. I don't like it. At the time I was fascinated with it but only had vaginal sex THREE TIMES and realized that the dysphoria that came after was not worth the sex. Also, I made those posts BEFORE I started ******** her in the a**, which was a lot better.
IronicAtheist
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Curious: Define scientist. I always thought in order to be a scientist you had to be a professional of some sort.


I've got a biotechnology degree and a bioinformatics degree already. I'm doing work writing a peer reviewed article to go into a journal already as I work on my grad thesis too (which is pro work even tho I'm not getting paid). So yeah, I count now.

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Also, why doesn't your p***s bother you anymore? Or does it still?


It still does. And yes I have sex. I just figured out ways to cope.

But apparently I don't care much about my identity, cuz I seem so ******** eager to get played with. Douche.
Hey that's what i plan on getting into college for, how long did it take for you to get just 1 of your degrees?


2 years for the Biotech AS, then 3~4 years for the Bioinformatics BS and the Bioinformatics MS should be done after my second grad year, so only 2 there. Grand total of 7~8 years worth of education.

I don't intend on getting a phD, tho.
September the Eleventh
Waiiiit. If a transwoman enjoys penile stimulation that doesn't make her a hypocrite.
Just like rape victims who liked it a little are still rape victims. You poke yourself in the eye, you blink. You get tickled, you laugh. You get touched in your G-Spot, you c**. Simple.


This has been an ongoing debate with this douchenozzle. He feels the need to debase other people's identities for some ******** stupid reason and often does it in relation to sex. Prolly cuz he isn't getting laid.

He did it a while back with Lex (who isn't in the thread anymore) and then did the exact same sexual stuff that Lex enjoyed, enjoyed it himself and had a magical change of heart. Now that he's not getting ******** it seems he's back to debasing people's identities. I really don't know why the ******** I bother talking to him. The bullshit cycle always continues. Even when he claims he's doing better.

But yeah, it's stupid and nonsensical but well, you saw how he persisted. It doesn't matter what reason or logic are used. He'll just cling to whatever he can in his nympho rage. So ******** it. Don't bother, you'll just get a headache.
September the Eleventh
Waiiiit. If a transwoman enjoys penile stimulation that doesn't make her a hypocrite.
Just like rape victims who liked it a little are still rape victims. You poke yourself in the eye, you blink. You get tickled, you laugh. You get touched in your G-Spot, you c**. Simple.
If they like it, it's not rape.

If a transwoman can enjoy penile stimulation, I am NOT SAYING she's a hypocrite, or not a woman. HOWEVER, I DID express my frustration for several reasons:

1) If a transman likes vaginal sex, he is doubted as a man. She even said that about me.
2) A transwoman CAN equate her p***s to her "enlarged clitoris." A transman has NOTHING male to compare his v****a to.
3) A transwoman who ******** gay men is no different than a transman who ******** straight men... Or gay women. They're having sex with someone who is attracted to someone of the gender they don't identify as. Either they're being dishonest with their partner or directly disregarding their own identity for sex.

And I said there is NOTHING wrong with #3, just that most people deny doing this... and then turn around and do it. It's the lying that bothers me, not the act itself.

Also, I don't think I have a g-spot. I only c** from a**l sex. I can't really enjoy vaginal sex.
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September the Eleventh
Waiiiit. If a transwoman enjoys penile stimulation that doesn't make her a hypocrite.
Just like rape victims who liked it a little are still rape victims. You poke yourself in the eye, you blink. You get tickled, you laugh. You get touched in your G-Spot, you c**. Simple.
If they like it, it's not rape.

If a transwoman can enjoy penile stimulation, I am NOT SAYING she's a hypocrite, or not a woman. HOWEVER, I DID express my frustration for several reasons:

1) If a transman likes vaginal sex, he is doubted as a man. She even said that about me.
2) A transwoman CAN equate her p***s to her "enlarged clitoris." A transman has NOTHING male to compare his v****a to.
3) A transwoman who ******** gay men is no different than a transman who ******** straight men... Or gay women. They're having sex with someone who is attracted to someone of the gender they don't identify as. Either they're being dishonest with their partner or directly disregarding their own identity for sex.

And I said there is NOTHING wrong with #3, just that most people deny doing this... and then turn around and do it. It's the lying that bothers me, not the act itself.

Also, I don't think I have a g-spot. I only c** from a**l sex. I can't really enjoy vaginal sex.

Aight, I gotcha.
And it's interesting that you find a**l pleasurable since the bio-male G-Spot's right on in there. Direct stimulation to the prostate makes for easy nut-busting.
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He did it a while back with Lex (who isn't in the thread anymore) and then did the exact same sexual stuff that Lex enjoyed, enjoyed it himself and had a magical change of heart. Now that he's not getting ******** it seems he's back to debasing people's identities. I really don't know why the ******** I bother talking to him. The bullshit cycle always continues. Even when he claims he's doing better.
I did not have a magicial change of heart. I only had vaginal sex with my ex THREE times. I talked about the the morning after. Then a couple days later I ******** her in the a**, and that was way better. I was so over that in like 2 days.

Lex dresses, acts, and looks like a woman. He gets pissed off when people say he's a girl, even though he dresses, acts, and looks like one. Then goes and has sex with heterosexual men. Also gets mad if they call him a girl, even though that's really what they see him as. He's the worst living case of sexual confusion I have EVER witnessed.

Don't see how suddenly, "OMG THE BULLSHIT CYCLE ENSUES" just because I disagree with you. You're shoving a lot of words in my mouth, also.
IronicAtheist
Well then obviously by reading my posts i wasn't referring to people in your situation.


But that's the problem. 90% of trans folk are in my situation. Almost all of us have bodily dissonance. The degree may vary, the places may vary and how we cope may vary but almost all of us have some variant of bodily dissonance.

Some of us just suck at explaining it.
September the Eleventh
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September the Eleventh
Waiiiit. If a transwoman enjoys penile stimulation that doesn't make her a hypocrite.
Just like rape victims who liked it a little are still rape victims. You poke yourself in the eye, you blink. You get tickled, you laugh. You get touched in your G-Spot, you c**. Simple.
If they like it, it's not rape.

If a transwoman can enjoy penile stimulation, I am NOT SAYING she's a hypocrite, or not a woman. HOWEVER, I DID express my frustration for several reasons:

1) If a transman likes vaginal sex, he is doubted as a man. She even said that about me.
2) A transwoman CAN equate her p***s to her "enlarged clitoris." A transman has NOTHING male to compare his v****a to.
3) A transwoman who ******** gay men is no different than a transman who ******** straight men... Or gay women. They're having sex with someone who is attracted to someone of the gender they don't identify as. Either they're being dishonest with their partner or directly disregarding their own identity for sex.

And I said there is NOTHING wrong with #3, just that most people deny doing this... and then turn around and do it. It's the lying that bothers me, not the act itself.

Also, I don't think I have a g-spot. I only c** from a**l sex. I can't really enjoy vaginal sex.

Aight, I gotcha.
And it's interesting that you find a**l pleasurable since the bio-male G-Spot's right on in there. Direct stimulation to the prostate makes for easy nut-busting.
I don't really have a scientific explanation as to why I like a**l sex. I've guessed that it might have to do with a female gland that is analogous to the prostate, but it is much smaller. I actually felt the most pleasure when the d***o (yeah, never had a**l with my ex, she didn't want to screw me with her d**k at that point) was touching the far reaching back of my rectum, which really isn't pushing against anything "erogenous" so I really don't know. Some would look at an image of female anatomy and say it's hitting my female g-spot, but I am not talking about that. My "spot" is deeper, and more towards the spine.
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September the Eleventh
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September the Eleventh
Waiiiit. If a transwoman enjoys penile stimulation that doesn't make her a hypocrite.
Just like rape victims who liked it a little are still rape victims. You poke yourself in the eye, you blink. You get tickled, you laugh. You get touched in your G-Spot, you c**. Simple.
If they like it, it's not rape.

If a transwoman can enjoy penile stimulation, I am NOT SAYING she's a hypocrite, or not a woman. HOWEVER, I DID express my frustration for several reasons:

1) If a transman likes vaginal sex, he is doubted as a man. She even said that about me.
2) A transwoman CAN equate her p***s to her "enlarged clitoris." A transman has NOTHING male to compare his v****a to.
3) A transwoman who ******** gay men is no different than a transman who ******** straight men... Or gay women. They're having sex with someone who is attracted to someone of the gender they don't identify as. Either they're being dishonest with their partner or directly disregarding their own identity for sex.

And I said there is NOTHING wrong with #3, just that most people deny doing this... and then turn around and do it. It's the lying that bothers me, not the act itself.

Also, I don't think I have a g-spot. I only c** from a**l sex. I can't really enjoy vaginal sex.

Aight, I gotcha.
And it's interesting that you find a**l pleasurable since the bio-male G-Spot's right on in there. Direct stimulation to the prostate makes for easy nut-busting.
I don't really have a scientific explanation as to why I like a**l sex. I've guessed that it might have to do with a female gland that is analogous to the prostate, but it is much smaller. I actually felt the most pleasure when the d***o (yeah, never had a**l with my ex, she didn't want to screw me with her d**k at that point) was touching the far reaching back of my rectum, which really isn't pushing against anything "errogenous" so I really don't know. Some would look at an image of female anatomy and say it's hitting my female g-spot, but I am not talking about that. My "spot" is deeper, and more towards the spine.

I know what you mean there, I've gotten hella pleasure from a**l too. The whole "female prostate" thing's probably true though as for location we're all different so meh. Mine's like, way deep...damn this conversation's gotten hot.
Is he really so stupid that he doesn't think that option 3 could also be "ignoring that this person likes me for painful reasons because well, ignoring pain is a coping method? DUR?"

NOPE. ********. NOT JUMPING INTO THE s**t POOL AGAIN. I'm gonna just think about the sex I have. The hot wild, omfg sex with someone who doesn't objectify me, who sees me as entirely as a woman, and especially someone whom I can have sex with in any way I can cope with and not in any way will my identity be questioned by them cuz I'm having sex with them.

There. That's so much more comfortable. *leans back and enjoys the thought*

Night all.

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