[ Poll ] Transgender Issues- not just "men in dresses"

Are you affected by trans issues?

Yes- I'm trans/I think I might be trans		16.0%	[ 906 ]
Yes- I have a trans friend or relative		12.1%	[ 686 ]
Indirectly- I have a trans acquaintance		6.0%	[ 341 ]
Not directly, but I feel these issues affect me indirectly/ I feel that these issues affect everyone		23.6%	[ 1336 ]
Not at all		31.1%	[ 1764 ]
I don't know		11.1%	[ 630 ]

Total Votes: 5663

[Recursive Paradox]

Rosetta Celestine

Recursive Paradox

Also, I don't know what the ******** happened in the last 30 pages and I don't wanna know. Hey Rosetta, let's go clubbing while the dust settles. Brb getting eyeliner and low cut shirt.

*Gets her sparkly lip gloss and short short skirt.*

Should I put my hair up or have it down? I never can figure out which looks better for dancing. x_x

Syndactyly

Rosetta Celestine

Recursive Paradox

Also, I don't know what the ******** happened in the last 30 pages and I don't wanna know. Hey Rosetta, let's go clubbing while the dust settles. Brb getting eyeliner and low cut shirt.

*Gets her sparkly lip gloss and short short skirt.*

*gets his hooker boots and stockings*

*realizes he wasn't invited*

*sulks* emo

EMU.

Of course you can come. You'll scare the frat boys off with your pimpin' gayness. XD

Blairnensha

aww, don't be sad! Clubs are for uptight bitches *glares* and wannabe thugs. Come play left 4 dead 2 with me instead of wasting your energy envying those losers. *furtively shoots a jealous look at Rosetta*

b***h please, I will drag your a** to the club. How dare you stay at home. All my girls are coming with me.

Verd, I demand you bring the V mask.

Kaos, you're in Blair's car so you and Verd don't bite each other or nothing. I know you're both roaring to have some hate sex, but me and Coco get first dibs on hate sex on my clubbing trips. For sure.

[Albany King]

Recursive Paradox

b***h please, I will drag your a** to the club. How dare you stay at home. All my girls are coming with me.

Verd, I demand you bring the V mask.

Kaos, you're in Blair's car so you and Verd don't bite each other or nothing. I know you're both roaring to have some hate sex, but me and Coco get first dibs on hate sex on my clubbing trips. For sure.

I am wearing hooker boots to match Syn. Wait, is this a weird goth club? Because if it isn't I'm not wearing hooker boots.

[Recursive Paradox]

Captain Verd

EDIT: HOW CAN YOU SEE MY POSTS IF YOU BLOCKED ME

EVIL MAGICS.

Rosetta Celestine

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Rosetta Celestine

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No one can block Verd for long. Either they agree with her and/or she provides a great deal of entertainment for everyone. surprised

This is just a simple fact of teh internets.

Trudat. Off and on I've had trouble with her. But I've learned that, dude, she's just poking fun most of the time, and when she's arguing, she's usually right. Pretty much anything I've disagreed with her on I realized later I was only arguing because of my pride.

I'm proud to say I've always liked her. : D

I'm proud to say she called me a sarcastic c**t. XD Next goal: Getting Tererun to call me a stupid cumdumpster. IT'S HARDER THAN YOU THINK.

Albany King

Recursive Paradox

b***h please, I will drag your a** to the club. How dare you stay at home. All my girls are coming with me.

Verd, I demand you bring the V mask.

Kaos, you're in Blair's car so you and Verd don't bite each other or nothing. I know you're both roaring to have some hate sex, but me and Coco get first dibs on hate sex on my clubbing trips. For sure.

I am wearing hooker boots to match Syn. Wait, is this a weird goth club? Because if it isn't I'm not wearing hooker boots.

Wear them anyways! Make it gothy. Every club needs some goth.

[Captain Verd]

I like this idea. We can crash the party by showing up and being really rowdy in giant boots. I just need to polish mine.

[Recursive Paradox]

Captain Verd

I like this idea. We can crash the party by showing up and being really rowdy in giant boots. I just need to polish mine.

But I don't have any giant boots! crying

[Syndactyly]

Kaosgirl

Rosetta Celestine

Syndactyly

No one can block Verd for long. Either they agree with her and/or she provides a great deal of entertainment for everyone. surprised

This is just a simple fact of teh internets.

You realize I'm going to have to prove you wrong now.

TBH, I didn't expect it to last more than a month before I finally admitted her fanclub made it pointless. But really, she's far more entertaining blocked... I'm only seeing the quotable snippets. Should make it easy to hold out for whatever period of time you define as "long."

Unless people start moving goalposts...

Omfg there's a Verd fanclub? I wanna be in it. surprised

[Syndactyly]

Blairnensha

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Rosetta Celestine

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Rosetta Celestine

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*gets his hooker boots and stockings*

*realizes he wasn't invited*

*sulks* emo

OMG Syn, you are so coming with us! We're all gonna get along if it kills me dammit!

Which reminds me, for Halloween I went to a Rocky Horror Picture-Show! I went with my gays and it was so much fun. I was dressed as a slutty milk maid.

I wanna go to RHPS so bad.

In my hooker boots.
And purple/black striped stockings with garter belt.
And crotchless fishnets over that.
And purple man thong.
And a corset.
And fingerless gloves.
And elaborate make up.
Maybe a wig, because my natural hair sucks. But maybe by then I'll have it dyed.

******** yeah.

I actually love the stockings/nets/garter/man thong/hooker boots combination so much I might take pix. Don't have a corset though. :[

Corsets are ******** EXPENSIVE! D<

I want one just to make my rib cage a little smaller.

I looked ridiculously sexy in my costume. Normally I dress in a more innocently cute manner, but my god, I looked like a friggin' Playboy playmate in that thing. It was so weird! I sooo wasn't used to dressing so provocatively. The skirt was so short I kept worrying people could see my panties. My gays kept grabbing my boobs and pinching my butt to tease me.

I WISH WE COULD'VE GONE TOGETHER SYN! crying

Too bad you live all the way in California with AH-nold and Disneyland.

Totally. There's this vintage lingere store up in northern California (omfg I miss it so much) and they had a lot of corsettes and they had good prices but they were still pretty expensive. Spent a lot more money on hooker boots, though, lol.

Do you have any pix? <3 Lol.

It would have been fun to go with you, I'm sure. :D

Stupid California, lol...

You're so awesome when you're not telling me I'm nuts crying

Orly.

I want to show off my new pix of part of the outfix I described, but people are report happy in ED.

[Syndactyly]

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

Women can be an emotional/psychological threat to men. And a physical threat to some men, also depending on the woman in question.

None of this is systemic. Ergo not oppression.

It doesn't have to be systemic to be oppression. Try again. D:<

As for hte rest, I'm just going to agree to disagree, there's no getting through to you.

._.

Curious: Why should the words be spread?

Transwomen vs. trans women
and
Crossdresser vs. cross dresser

I never understood which was correct.

Actually there are a couple points I'd like to address:

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First of all, I am received in the public AS A MAN. People don't know I'm trans, they respond to me as they would any other man. So I do experience what a lot of men go through.

Are you sure? I can't be sure I'm taken as a cis woman. I can only theorize based on the fact that people treat me better than they did when it was really obvious I was trans. But we both could have ended up in less transphobic areas, right?

I'm sure because a lot of those people are later "suprised" to find out I am indeed trans. I know I live in a very transphobic/homophobic place right now.

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Internalization requires the methods of an external oppressor to be there first to internalize. What external oppressor oppresses men? None. This definition backs me as well.

You said men weren't oppressed, period. That's absolutely not true.

I do recall pointing out that this doesn't include intersection. Just men as a social class. And it's absolutely true. You've proven nothing on this so far with your definitions and wikis and bears oh my.

Radical feminists vs. men. They target men as a group. A lot of women can say horribly sexist things about men and it's okay 'cause they're "oppressed." neutral

[Syndactyly]

Recursive Paradox

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Rosetta Celestine

Recursive Paradox

Also, I don't know what the ******** happened in the last 30 pages and I don't wanna know. Hey Rosetta, let's go clubbing while the dust settles. Brb getting eyeliner and low cut shirt.

*Gets her sparkly lip gloss and short short skirt.*

*gets his hooker boots and stockings*

*realizes he wasn't invited*

*sulks* emo

EMU.

Of course you can come. You'll scare the frat boys off with your pimpin' gayness. XD

Ohhh yeah. cool

Albany King

Recursive Paradox

b***h please, I will drag your a** to the club. How dare you stay at home. All my girls are coming with me.

Verd, I demand you bring the V mask.

Kaos, you're in Blair's car so you and Verd don't bite each other or nothing. I know you're both roaring to have some hate sex, but me and Coco get first dibs on hate sex on my clubbing trips. For sure.

I am wearing hooker boots to match Syn. Wait, is this a weird goth club? Because if it isn't I'm not wearing hooker boots.

I want to be one of the only men in that club to be in hooker boots. It would be less fun if everyone was wearing them.

[Kaosgirl]

Albany King

Recursive Paradox

b***h please, I will drag your a** to the club. How dare you stay at home. All my girls are coming with me.

Verd, I demand you bring the V mask.

Kaos, you're in Blair's car so you and Verd don't bite each other or nothing. I know you're both roaring to have some hate sex, but me and Coco get first dibs on hate sex on my clubbing trips. For sure.

I am wearing hooker boots to match Syn. Wait, is this a weird goth club? Because if it isn't I'm not wearing hooker boots.

If it's not goth-friendly, I'm not coming in the first place razz

[Syndactyly]

washu_2004

I can see some people are getting confused here with definitions.

Crossdresser: A person who dresses in the clothing of the opposite gender.

Drag Queen/King: A person who dresses in the clothing of the opposite gender to entertain others.

Transvestite: A person who dresses in the clothing of the opposite gender for pleasure.

Transsexual: A person who's psychological and biological genders are not the same. Some will wear the clothing of their psychological gender and also undertake hormone therapy and surgery to make their outward gender presentation match their psychological gender. The usual reason that this is done is because of gender dysphoria.

Dysphoria: an unpleasant or uncomfortable mood. The opposite of euphoria.

Well that is my data dump done, I hope I cleared up some misunderstandings without needing to be coarse.

Well, not sure who you're referring to, but I've been talking about a lot of this.

I'm a transsexual.
I'm also a transvestite, drag queen, and I sometimes crossdress.

These are the details:
- I am a female-to-male transsexual.
- MOST of the time I'm dressed like a man, in strictly men's clothing.
- Certain articles of WOMEN'S lingere turns me on. Sometimes I will dress up solely because I think men look hot in women's underwear.
- I also like to dress as a woman to entertian myself and others.

Because I pass as a man at this point, this all works out. In EVERY situation, I want to be acknowledged as and known as a man. At this point even in women's lingere I look male, which is something that's really only happened over the past few months (before I'd just look like a dude-ish chick with short hair if I wore lingere). I was never a "pretty girl" or anything, people ALWAYS questioned my gender, but now it's not so much a question as much as the reaction is "That guy is in a dress."

When speaking of dysphoria in the context of a discussion regarding transgender issues, it's simply short for gender dysphoria, which is what we're really talking about.

On the second bullet: I'm really wanting to dress more metrosexual though, or even bordering on crossdressing, but really just wearing androgynous stuff that is percieved as feminine (ex: tights).

[Kaosgirl]

Syndactyly

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

Women can be an emotional/psychological threat to men. And a physical threat to some men, also depending on the woman in question.

None of this is systemic. Ergo not oppression.

It doesn't have to be systemic to be oppression. Try again. D:<

In the context the word is being used, it actually does. The systemic aspect is part of the contextual definition. (Yes, other definitions for the word can be trotted out. But then we're talking something else entirely.)

I'm not sure how to explain it clearer than that, so if it doesn't make sense I'm not going to try any further.

Syndactyly

Curious: Why should the words be spread?

Transwomen vs. trans women
and
Crossdresser vs. cross dresser

I never understood which was correct.

Meh. I think it's like the difference between gray and grey. Or the British habit of sticking extra letters where the Americans drop them (like armor versus armour.)

Syndactyly

A lot of women can say horribly sexist things about men and it's okay 'cause they're "oppressed." neutral

You should put the word "okay" in scarequotes. It's not really okay, it's just more likely to be overlooked.

[Syndactyly]

Then she needs to admit that men are oppressed in "another context." >_> Then I'll shut up.

[Blairnensha]

Recursive Paradox

Aino, you rock for finding all the posts but everyone's gonna be pissed at you for starting the convo up again. XD

Blairnensha

Blairnensha

Soph: individuals can't take responsibility for a leaderless group, so blaming a group is pointless. Umm... Yeah that's all I got fa now.

I don't remember what that was towards. XD

Pointing the finger at men is ... pointless .... because there's nothing they can do about it individually which will affect the whole.

It's a leaderless group.

We can all do something about it. That's all that matters.

[iSkuld]

What do you guys think when a transsexual makes a fool of themselves on the Jerry Springer show?