[ Poll ] Transgender Issues- not just "men in dresses"

Are you affected by trans issues?

Yes- I'm trans/I think I might be trans		16.0%	[ 906 ]
Yes- I have a trans friend or relative		12.1%	[ 686 ]
Indirectly- I have a trans acquaintance		6.0%	[ 341 ]
Not directly, but I feel these issues affect me indirectly/ I feel that these issues affect everyone		23.6%	[ 1336 ]
Not at all		31.1%	[ 1764 ]
I don't know		11.1%	[ 630 ]

Total Votes: 5663

[Captain Verd]

Syndactyly

That's why you started this. Right. smile

In reality, I'm a drama magnet. But I've learned that when someone ignites the flame, it's my job to put it out. Because no one else will.

My point, BTW, was that you could come off as transitioning for merely social benefits when you talk about how it's okay to keep "beneficial stereotypes" for women. If you don't want to look that way, choose your words more carefully.

I didn't view it like that at all. I don't know why anyone would want to change their entire body forever just so they could get on a lifeboat first.

[Rosetta Celestine]

Syndactyly

That's why you started this. Right. smile

In reality, I'm a drama magnet. But I've learned that when someone ignites the flame, it's my job to put it out. Because no one else will.

My point, BTW, was that you could come off as transitioning for merely social benefits when you talk about how it's okay to keep "beneficial stereotypes" for women. If you don't want to look that way, choose your words more carefully.

No, I started "this" because I was hoping you'd own up to making negative comments that only cause drama. But no, you're under the delusion of "I'm just an honest person".

And it's not so much the content of the things you said about me and Nec, but the way you said them that comes off as so... backhandedly bitchy. For instance, you talk about people like they can't hear you, like you're talking behind our backs.

[Syndactyly]

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

That's why you started this. Right. smile

In reality, I'm a drama magnet. But I've learned that when someone ignites the flame, it's my job to put it out. Because no one else will.

My point, BTW, was that you could come off as transitioning for merely social benefits when you talk about how it's okay to keep "beneficial stereotypes" for women. If you don't want to look that way, choose your words more carefully.

I didn't view it like that at all. I don't know why anyone would want to change their entire body forever just so they could get on a lifeboat first.

I never said it was logical or makes sense.

But in addition, there are many social benefits to being female, not just lifeboats.

[Syndactyly]

Rosetta Celestine

Syndactyly

That's why you started this. Right. smile

In reality, I'm a drama magnet. But I've learned that when someone ignites the flame, it's my job to put it out. Because no one else will.

My point, BTW, was that you could come off as transitioning for merely social benefits when you talk about how it's okay to keep "beneficial stereotypes" for women. If you don't want to look that way, choose your words more carefully.

No, I started "this" because I was hoping you'd own up to making negative comments that only cause drama. But no, you're under the delusion of "I'm just an honest person".

And it's not so much the content of the things you said about me and Nec, but the way you said them that comes off as so... backhandedly bitchy. For instance, you talk about people like they can't hear you, like you're talking behind our backs.

Nice shoving a ton of crap in that was never said. And I'm the drama queen.

I don't really talk directly to someone if they're not present. Furthermore, Nec can't hear me so talking directly to him is pointless.

[Rosetta Celestine]

Syndactyly

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

That's why you started this. Right. smile

In reality, I'm a drama magnet. But I've learned that when someone ignites the flame, it's my job to put it out. Because no one else will.

My point, BTW, was that you could come off as transitioning for merely social benefits when you talk about how it's okay to keep "beneficial stereotypes" for women. If you don't want to look that way, choose your words more carefully.

I didn't view it like that at all. I don't know why anyone would want to change their entire body forever just so they could get on a lifeboat first.

I never said it was logical or makes sense.

But in addition, there are many social benefits to being female, not just lifeboats.

Then why would people assume that was a reason I was transitioning?

[Syndactyly]

Rosetta Celestine

Syndactyly

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

That's why you started this. Right. smile

In reality, I'm a drama magnet. But I've learned that when someone ignites the flame, it's my job to put it out. Because no one else will.

My point, BTW, was that you could come off as transitioning for merely social benefits when you talk about how it's okay to keep "beneficial stereotypes" for women. If you don't want to look that way, choose your words more carefully.

I didn't view it like that at all. I don't know why anyone would want to change their entire body forever just so they could get on a lifeboat first.

I never said it was logical or makes sense.

But in addition, there are many social benefits to being female, not just lifeboats.

Then why would people assume that was a reason I was transitioning?

Because you support feminism in only one direction. That and a lot of people don't apply the basic principles of logic when drawing conclusions.

[Rosetta Celestine]

Syndactyly

Rosetta Celestine

Syndactyly

That's why you started this. Right. smile

In reality, I'm a drama magnet. But I've learned that when someone ignites the flame, it's my job to put it out. Because no one else will.

My point, BTW, was that you could come off as transitioning for merely social benefits when you talk about how it's okay to keep "beneficial stereotypes" for women. If you don't want to look that way, choose your words more carefully.

No, I started "this" because I was hoping you'd own up to making negative comments that only cause drama. But no, you're under the delusion of "I'm just an honest person".

And it's not so much the content of the things you said about me and Nec, but the way you said them that comes off as so... backhandedly bitchy. For instance, you talk about people like they can't hear you, like you're talking behind our backs.

Nice shoving a ton of crap in that was never said. And I'm the drama queen.

I don't really talk directly to someone if they're not present. Furthermore, Nec can't hear me so talking directly to him is pointless.

What did I imply that you never said? You seem to be claiming that you're just making honest observations and that people are too sensitive to handle the observation. If you know this, why mention your observations in the first place?

[Rosetta Celestine]

Syndactyly

Rosetta Celestine

Syndactyly

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

That's why you started this. Right. smile

In reality, I'm a drama magnet. But I've learned that when someone ignites the flame, it's my job to put it out. Because no one else will.

My point, BTW, was that you could come off as transitioning for merely social benefits when you talk about how it's okay to keep "beneficial stereotypes" for women. If you don't want to look that way, choose your words more carefully.

I didn't view it like that at all. I don't know why anyone would want to change their entire body forever just so they could get on a lifeboat first.

I never said it was logical or makes sense.

But in addition, there are many social benefits to being female, not just lifeboats.

Then why would people assume that was a reason I was transitioning?

Because you support feminism in only one direction.

What is this supposed to mean? What direction?

[Syndactyly]

Rosetta Celestine

What did I imply that you never said? You seem to be claiming that you're just making honest observations and that people are too sensitive to handle the observation. If you know this, why mention your observations in the first place?

"I'm just an honest person" was something you just shoved in there. You assumed. And yeah, I am making observations that I believe to be honest. But they're opinions. They're not like, "the truth" or anything. confused

Sometimes a part of me hopes that people can hear something they might not like without throwing a tantrum. But now I know that's just not possible.

[Captain Verd]

Syndactyly

Because you support feminism in only one direction. That and a lot of people don't apply the basic principles of logic when drawing conclusions.

This is a lesson in asking. There are plenty of women jealous of the way men are treated, but don't transition because of it.

Elwood, you KNOW how hard transitioning is, what it does to you, and how you have to live. Why would you assume Rose would willingly throw herself into that situation unless she REALLY needed it?

[Syndactyly]

Rosetta Celestine

Because you support feminism in only one direction.

What is this supposed to mean? What direction?
Feminism that goes "both ways" supports equality for both men and women.
Feminism that does "one way" wishes only to uplift women.

Actual feminism not only addresses female issues, but all gender issues. For instance, the idea that men must be tough and breadwinners.

[Captain Verd]

Syndactyly

Rosetta Celestine

What did I imply that you never said? You seem to be claiming that you're just making honest observations and that people are too sensitive to handle the observation. If you know this, why mention your observations in the first place?

"I'm just an honest person" was something you just shoved in there. You assumed. And yeah, I am making observations that I believe to be honest. But they're opinions. They're not like, "the truth" or anything. confused

Sometimes a part of me hopes that people can hear something they might not like without throwing a tantrum. But now I know that's just not possible.

You cannot say "I'm not here to start drama, but Nec is being a total douchehole", then play the innocent and expect everyone to hold hands. Seriously brah.

[Syndactyly]

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

Because you support feminism in only one direction. That and a lot of people don't apply the basic principles of logic when drawing conclusions.

This is a lesson in asking. There are plenty of women jealous of the way men are treated, but don't transition because of it.

You KNOW how hard transitioning is, what it does to you, and how you have to live. Why would you assume Rose would willingly throw herself into that situation unless she REALLY needed it?

Way to shove words in my mouth. I NEVER said that I hold that opinion. I don't believe she is transitioning for social reasons. I just said that it could look that way from the way she talks about feminism.

Also, people are willing to do some pretty difficult things when they're ******** up. Just saying.

"Elwood": Doesn't need to be in there. I'm Syn.

[Syndactyly]

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

Rosetta Celestine

What did I imply that you never said? You seem to be claiming that you're just making honest observations and that people are too sensitive to handle the observation. If you know this, why mention your observations in the first place?

"I'm just an honest person" was something you just shoved in there. You assumed. And yeah, I am making observations that I believe to be honest. But they're opinions. They're not like, "the truth" or anything. confused

Sometimes a part of me hopes that people can hear something they might not like without throwing a tantrum. But now I know that's just not possible.

You cannot say "I'm not here to start drama, but Nec is being a total douchehole", then play the innocent and expect everyone to hold hands. Seriously brah.

Except I didn't call him a douchehole. I subjectively observed that he really only comes in here to tell someone they're wrong about something, and then just leaves again. Instead of people saying, "BAWWW UR SO MEAN" I was actually hoping they might disagree and say, "No, actually Nec discusses things sometimes." Guess y'all agree with me.

[Captain Verd]

Syndactyly

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

Rosetta Celestine

What did I imply that you never said? You seem to be claiming that you're just making honest observations and that people are too sensitive to handle the observation. If you know this, why mention your observations in the first place?

"I'm just an honest person" was something you just shoved in there. You assumed. And yeah, I am making observations that I believe to be honest. But they're opinions. They're not like, "the truth" or anything. confused

Sometimes a part of me hopes that people can hear something they might not like without throwing a tantrum. But now I know that's just not possible.

You cannot say "I'm not here to start drama, but Nec is being a total douchehole", then play the innocent and expect everyone to hold hands. Seriously brah.

Except I didn't call him a douchehole. I subjectively observed that he really only comes in here to tell someone they're wrong about something, and then just leaves again. Instead of people saying, "BAWWW UR SO MEAN" I was actually hoping they might disagree and say, "No, actually Nec discusses things sometimes." Guess y'all agree with me.

oh ok rolleyes