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Yes- I'm trans/I think I might be trans		16.2%	[ 919 ]
Yes- I have a trans friend or relative		12.1%	[ 687 ]
Indirectly- I have a trans acquaintance		6.0%	[ 341 ]
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Post: 20212143_121 created on Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:49:39 +0000
Posted: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:49:39 +0000

Taineyah

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Taineyah

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Taineyah

Everyone saw it, right? I offerred him an easy out before bitchslapping him with the dictionary? This is his very last warning. If you do not want me to completely disprove you in very few words, please withdraw now.

"him?"

'Scuse me...I'm not a Transy...

Slap me all you want with text I don't really care.

You asked me for it. And I apologise for calling you him. Your avvie looked like a male to me. So, I apologise for that.

gender: the state of being male or female with reference to social or cultural differences rather than biological ones. (Oxford American Dictionary)

sex: either of the two main categories (male or female) into which humans and most living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions. (Oxford American Dictionary)

Now, a person's sex is not determined by reproductive capability, but by reproductive function. This is taken, often, to refer to the fact that a physical female has a v****a that a physical male can stick his p***s into.

You also asked why a person should hate their body and desire that it is changed. In the case of a transgendered person, their body function does not match what their mind tells them it should be. On a smaller scale, take my hands for an example. I was born with a defect of the tendons in both hands. It did not show up until I was 15 years old. It causes severe stiffness in my hands and extreme pain. At 15, I was a very talented classical musician. I was nearing virtuosity on the guitar. I was forced, by my tendon defect, to give it up. To this day, years later, when I pick up a guitar, I believe that I am going to be able to play that guitar. I want to alter my body to match the function my brain says it should have.

This is no different from a transgendered person. Since I have personal experience with FTM individuals and their stories, I will use that as an example. My one friend was born female. He's a wonderful boy, but he does not have a p***s. Every morning, he wakes up and reaches down to adjust himself, if you get my meaning. Every single morning, he is struck dumb for several minutes when his hand meets a v****a. Just waking up in the morning is traumatic for him because his mind does not meet his body. His brain says that his body should function a certain way, but it doesn't. Thus, he wants to alter his body to match the function his brain says it should have.

Make sense now?

Oui

Gonna stop being offensive yet and back off? Gonna admit that trans people are more than "guys in dresses?"

Oui!

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Post: 20212143_123 created on Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:54:46 +0000
Posted: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:54:46 +0000

Taineyah

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Taineyah

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Taineyah

You asked me for it. And I apologise for calling you him. Your avvie looked like a male to me. So, I apologise for that.

gender: the state of being male or female with reference to social or cultural differences rather than biological ones. (Oxford American Dictionary)

sex: either of the two main categories (male or female) into which humans and most living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions. (Oxford American Dictionary)

Now, a person's sex is not determined by reproductive capability, but by reproductive function. This is taken, often, to refer to the fact that a physical female has a v****a that a physical male can stick his p***s into.

You also asked why a person should hate their body and desire that it is changed. In the case of a transgendered person, their body function does not match what their mind tells them it should be. On a smaller scale, take my hands for an example. I was born with a defect of the tendons in both hands. It did not show up until I was 15 years old. It causes severe stiffness in my hands and extreme pain. At 15, I was a very talented classical musician. I was nearing virtuosity on the guitar. I was forced, by my tendon defect, to give it up. To this day, years later, when I pick up a guitar, I believe that I am going to be able to play that guitar. I want to alter my body to match the function my brain says it should have.

This is no different from a transgendered person. Since I have personal experience with FTM individuals and their stories, I will use that as an example. My one friend was born female. He's a wonderful boy, but he does not have a p***s. Every morning, he wakes up and reaches down to adjust himself, if you get my meaning. Every single morning, he is struck dumb for several minutes when his hand meets a v****a. Just waking up in the morning is traumatic for him because his mind does not meet his body. His brain says that his body should function a certain way, but it doesn't. Thus, he wants to alter his body to match the function his brain says it should have.

Make sense now?

Oui

Gonna stop being offensive yet and back off? Gonna admit that trans people are more than "guys in dresses?"

Oui!

Do you actually know what that word means in French, or are you just using it because it sounds cool? Avez-vous un cerebre? Comprendez-vous le mot "cerebre?" Si oui, repondez avec "un grand poulet" s'il vous plait.

A big chicken?

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Post: 20212143_125 created on Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:59:05 +0000
Posted: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:59:05 +0000

Taineyah

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Taineyah

Do you actually know what that word means in French, or are you just using it because it sounds cool? Avez-vous un cerebre? Comprendez-vous le mot "cerebre?" Si oui, repondez avec "un grand poulet" s'il vous plait.

A big chicken?

gonk

Thank you. I just wanted to make sure that you actually knew the meaning of the word oui and I figure if you know what a big chicken is in French, you HAVE to know yes.

Oh.....kay @_@

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Post: 20212143_127 created on Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:18:11 +0000
Posted: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:18:11 +0000

Amethystpanda5

Citing references, no opinionated, and well organized threads are my favorite.

To the point. I think transgenders can be who they want. Why be unhappy when you can change all of it? The only problem would be the ones who could not afford it. There should be a charity or something for that.
Only term I dislike would be "transphobia". The whole root word "phobia" irks me since I learned "phobia" to just mean fear of. It is not something I feel like arguing about, but it is pretty annoying (and if it applies to anyone).

Yes, affording the surgeries can be a problem. It's not generally covered under health plans and stuff. But, hormone therapy usually is covered under insurance.

Although, I realize you don't want to argue, I must mention the phobia issue. I'm not arguing; I'm merely... explaining.

Well, phobia also can mean 'an extreme aversion'. Homophobes don't necessarily fear homosexuals; they just hate homosexuals or have an extreme aversion to homosexuals. Same thing with transphobics. They may or may not fear transgenders/transsexuals, but they probably have an extreme aversion to those people. My uncle (half uncle, technically) is transphobic and homophobic. He isn't necessarily afraid; just hates homosexuals and transsexuals.

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Post: 20212143_129 created on Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:55:49 +0000
Posted: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:55:49 +0000

Amethystpanda5

Citing references, no opinionated, and well organized threads are my favorite.

To the point. I think transgenders can be who they want. Why be unhappy when you can change all of it? The only problem would be the ones who could not afford it. There should be a charity or something for that.
Only term I dislike would be "transphobia". The whole root word "phobia" irks me since I learned "phobia" to just mean fear of. It is not something I feel like arguing about, but it is pretty annoying (and if it applies to anyone).

The term phobia also refers to an irrational aversion to or hatred of something- however, it is commonly used to mean fear.

And I agree, there needs to be some form of help for those who can't afford SRS. Hell, even when there is a way to pay for it, the government drags it's feet.
Just look at Mac Gordon here...

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Post: 20212143_131 created on Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:18:39 +0000
Posted: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:18:39 +0000

Ringo Kanoe

Could you possibly summarize what is your main point, DysPerDis?

My main point? That certain myths surrounding transpeople, including the belief that transpeople are all gay, that it's easy to get SRS, that they'll probably change their mind too late if they go through SRS, and that gender identity can be "fixed" are wrong.