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Appropriate speed merely negates the need for armor. It is not armor.
Only so far as you can outrun bullets.
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Only so far as you can outrun bullets.
Well a properly timed blitzkrieg should keep the bullets from ever existing. There was a certain battle at Ulm that had speed completely nullify the effects of guns due to speed and cleverness.
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Only so far as you can outrun bullets.
Well a properly timed blitzkrieg should keep the bullets from ever existing. There was a certain battle at Ulm that had speed completely nullify the effects of guns due to speed and cleverness.


And tanks.

Don't forget the giant tank armor.


I mean without it.

The musket balls would just go right through D:
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Only so far as you can outrun bullets.


Bullets are s**t. Start outrunning lasers and that's all you'll need.
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Only so far as you can outrun bullets.
Well a properly timed blitzkrieg should keep the bullets from ever existing. There was a certain battle at Ulm that had speed completely nullify the effects of guns due to speed and cleverness.


And tanks.

Don't forget the giant tank armor.


I mean without it.

The musket balls would just go right through D:
Well if you're quick enough all the mightiest armies won't help a knife around one's throat. If we're talking purely tactical military endeavors we could look at General Rommel's campaign in northern Africa.
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Only so far as you can outrun bullets.
Well a properly timed blitzkrieg should keep the bullets from ever existing. There was a certain battle at Ulm that had speed completely nullify the effects of guns due to speed and cleverness.


And tanks.

Don't forget the giant tank armor.


I mean without it.

The musket balls would just go right through D:
Well if you're quick enough all the mightiest armies won't help a knife around one's throat. If we're talking purely tactical military endeavors we could look at General Rommel's campaign in northern Africa.


Why waste all the energy on speed when the enemy could just never know you existed at all?

And all of them took hits.


Rommel primarily had the advantage of radios.

Once Patton adopted the same his units got wiped out.


Simply becuase the panzer was an inferior tank.

So much energy and so many resourced were wasted on front armor of the tank that Shermans could be produced 10 times faster and you could have 5 as many for the same resources.


Despite their weak round, which the front round of a panzer could stop, tank rounds go up, and then down, on top of tanks, and at even a 30 degree angle you could hit the side of the tank, and flanking the enemy was frequent.

The front armor was so big that the tanks practically lacked a turret, and had to completely spin around in order to readjust for quickly moving targets, which meant that a moving target was basically out of sight, which made the extra range null in a tank battle, or on the move.


The irony is, the front armor had very little impact on the survivability of the tanks but made it more complex and harder to produce.

Had they not produced it at all, they'd have been better off, and since high explosive 75's 88's from the Germans could get through even their own tank armor, they'd have been best off with that instead of the 40mm rounds which could supposedly pierce tanks better but were less versatile for infantry or anti-aircraft use.


If Hitler was really so concerned with protection (which he personally oversaw the production of the panzer with the front armor specifically being his design) he'd have made it rounded, like a dome shape, with the crew in the middle barely spinning around, a tank hatch on top or even a thick tank hatches on the sides or bottom, with a parascope, and basically making the whole thing one giant spinning turret with 360 degree aim with the crew and engine in the middle as not to move around so much. With hammeforging and the same resources it would have been stronger and more spread out and with the dome shape stronger and more likely to deflect rounds.

Of course today that would be stupid, since ceramics are best at a 90 degree strike face, but oh well. xp
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Only so far as you can outrun bullets.


Bullets are s**t. Start outrunning lasers and that's all you'll need.
If you can outrun lasers you're pretty much a cheater.
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Only so far as you can outrun bullets.
Well a properly timed blitzkrieg should keep the bullets from ever existing. There was a certain battle at Ulm that had speed completely nullify the effects of guns due to speed and cleverness.


And tanks.

Don't forget the giant tank armor.


I mean without it.

The musket balls would just go right through D:
Well if you're quick enough all the mightiest armies won't help a knife around one's throat. If we're talking purely tactical military endeavors we could look at General Rommel's campaign in northern Africa.


Why waste all the energy on speed when the enemy could just never know you existed at all?
I don't see why we would need armor if we're not fighting. At that point I think we've strayed far enough away from the original purpose.
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Only so far as you can outrun bullets.
Well a properly timed blitzkrieg should keep the bullets from ever existing. There was a certain battle at Ulm that had speed completely nullify the effects of guns due to speed and cleverness.


And tanks.

Don't forget the giant tank armor.


I mean without it.

The musket balls would just go right through D:
Well if you're quick enough all the mightiest armies won't help a knife around one's throat. If we're talking purely tactical military endeavors we could look at General Rommel's campaign in northern Africa.


Why waste all the energy on speed when the enemy could just never know you existed at all?
I don't see why we would need armor if we're not fighting. At that point I think we've strayed far enough away from the original purpose.


A fight is a terrible thing to engage in.

A stealth bomber never fights anyone, just kills.
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And tanks.

Don't forget the giant tank armor.


I mean without it.

The musket balls would just go right through D:
Well if you're quick enough all the mightiest armies won't help a knife around one's throat. If we're talking purely tactical military endeavors we could look at General Rommel's campaign in northern Africa.


Why waste all the energy on speed when the enemy could just never know you existed at all?
I don't see why we would need armor if we're not fighting. At that point I think we've strayed far enough away from the original purpose.


A fight is a terrible thing to engage in.

A stealth bomber never fights anyone, just kills.
Which s even more terrible in my opinion. either way though, there always a fight regardless of how indirect it may seem.
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And tanks.

Don't forget the giant tank armor.


I mean without it.

The musket balls would just go right through D:
Well if you're quick enough all the mightiest armies won't help a knife around one's throat. If we're talking purely tactical military endeavors we could look at General Rommel's campaign in northern Africa.


Why waste all the energy on speed when the enemy could just never know you existed at all?
I don't see why we would need armor if we're not fighting. At that point I think we've strayed far enough away from the original purpose.


A fight is a terrible thing to engage in.

A stealth bomber never fights anyone, just kills.
Which s even more terrible in my opinion. either way though, there always a fight regardless of how indirect it may seem.


Effectiveness is key.

You don't die for your country, you make that other poor b*****d die for his; an enemy can't fight what they don't know about, let alone see.


Range is also effective; if your enemy can't hit you, they can't hurt you.

This is in part what makes planes and snipers so effective.
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Why waste all the energy on speed when the enemy could just never know you existed at all?
I don't see why we would need armor if we're not fighting. At that point I think we've strayed far enough away from the original purpose.


A fight is a terrible thing to engage in.

A stealth bomber never fights anyone, just kills.
Which s even more terrible in my opinion. either way though, there always a fight regardless of how indirect it may seem.


Effectiveness is key.

You don't die for your country, you make that other poor b*****d die for his; an enemy can't fight what they don't know about, let alone see.


Range is also effective; if your enemy can't hit you, they can't hurt you.

This is in part what makes planes and snipers so effective.
Well it didn't seem too dramatically effective in Vietnam.

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