Someone's gotta fight for God on this forum....

[iMystere]

The Blind God

No one really seems to have anything to say about my post, either in agreement or disagreement.

Probably too caught up in things to have noticed, but I could be wrong. I hope I am, at any rate.

Want to post it up, and I'll see what I can do? XD

[The Blind God]

iMystere

Want to post it up, and I'll see what I can do? XD

As Ialdabaoth, I ascend to the heavens-

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

When you folks decide to fight fire with fire, all you're really doing is just perpetuating a meaningless argument, and reinforcing false or misleading stereotypes.

Many of the outspoken individuals on both sides of the line that are trying to turn this into some kind of ideological warfare. That is pointless, and stupid. It accomplishes nothing but to sow distrust and hatred, instead of promoting mutual understanding, acceptance, and tolerance.

Which are things I think many individuals on both sides could use a lot more of.

Each side has just as much right to live according to their own morals and what have you as the other, up until it inhibits someone else's ability to do so.

Trying to tell atheists that they're wrong because God is awesome is pointless.

Just like it is equally pointless to tell theists that they're stupid for having faith in something they can't provide concrete, irrefutable proof for.

These topics pretty much just boil down into "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG, SHUTUP HURR HURR" and little else.

Who is right and who is wrong is ultimately unprovable either way, so arguing either position is a bit silly, in my opinion.

But whatever makes you happy, right?

As Azrael, I descend to the underworld.

[Ghinjo]

War`N`Peace~Of~Mind

Ghinjo

War`N`Peace~Of~Mind

The Creator does not need us to speak for him.

He has the final say, in the end.

So, it does not matter.

I think your word are only for those whole believe in a creator.

Obviously.

Even then, there is still no need to debate whether or not there is one.

Knowing about The Creator is based upon personal experiences.

I cannot convey mine to you, nor can you convey yours to me.

With that being said, it's not my belief that if you do not believe in a Divine Power you are to be eternally damned.

Well the only thing you are conveying is your strong opinion on the matter but thats how you feel so I have nothing against it

[War`N`Peace~Of~Mind]

Ghinjo

War`N`Peace~Of~Mind

Ghinjo

War`N`Peace~Of~Mind

The Creator does not need us to speak for him.

He has the final say, in the end.

So, it does not matter.

I think your word are only for those whole believe in a creator.

Obviously.

Even then, there is still no need to debate whether or not there is one.

Knowing about The Creator is based upon personal experiences.

I cannot convey mine to you, nor can you convey yours to me.

With that being said, it's not my belief that if you do not believe in a Divine Power you are to be eternally damned.

Well the only thing you are conveying is your strong opinion on the matter but thats how you feel so I have nothing against it

Does it matter how strong my opinion is?

It is, after all, my opinion. Is it not?

Why comment on it?

[iMystere]

The Blind God

iMystere

Want to post it up, and I'll see what I can do? XD

As Ialdabaoth, I ascend to the heavens-

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

When you folks decide to fight fire with fire, all you're really doing is just perpetuating a meaningless argument, and reinforcing false or misleading stereotypes.

Many of the outspoken individuals on both sides of the line that are trying to turn this into some kind of ideological warfare. That is pointless, and stupid. It accomplishes nothing but to sow distrust and hatred, instead of promoting mutual understanding, acceptance, and tolerance.

Which are things I think many individuals on both sides could use a lot more of.

Each side has just as much right to live according to their own morals and what have you as the other, up until it inhibits someone else's ability to do so.

Trying to tell atheists that they're wrong because God is awesome is pointless.

Just like it is equally pointless to tell theists that they're stupid for having faith in something they can't provide concrete, irrefutable proof for.

These topics pretty much just boil down into "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG, SHUTUP HURR HURR" and little else.

Who is right and who is wrong is ultimately unprovable either way, so arguing either position is a bit silly, in my opinion.

But whatever makes you happy, right?

As Azrael, I descend to the underworld.

From my personal experience the majority of people are not like such. Online it's MUCH more common, but I would hope that most people realize that internet forum goers are not the vast majority of people.

I think the best we can do is try and show people to be more accepting and loving, and work with the people who are willing to work with you.

[War`N`Peace~Of~Mind]

The Blind God

iMystere

Want to post it up, and I'll see what I can do? XD

As Ialdabaoth, I ascend to the heavens-

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

When you folks decide to fight fire with fire, all you're really doing is just perpetuating a meaningless argument, and reinforcing false or misleading stereotypes.

Many of the outspoken individuals on both sides of the line that are trying to turn this into some kind of ideological warfare. That is pointless, and stupid. It accomplishes nothing but to sow distrust and hatred, instead of promoting mutual understanding, acceptance, and tolerance.

Which are things I think many individuals on both sides could use a lot more of.

Each side has just as much right to live according to their own morals and what have you as the other, up until it inhibits someone else's ability to do so.

Trying to tell atheists that they're wrong because God is awesome is pointless.

Just like it is equally pointless to tell theists that they're stupid for having faith in something they can't provide concrete, irrefutable proof for.

These topics pretty much just boil down into "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG, SHUTUP HURR HURR" and little else.

Who is right and who is wrong is ultimately unprovable either way, so arguing either position is a bit silly, in my opinion.

But whatever makes you happy, right?

As Azrael, I descend to the underworld.

I agree with you.

However, I have nothing to really add to that.

It all boils down to what you believe.

If that is what you believe, and it makes you happy, and it does not hurt anyone, then why argue about it?

There is no debate. It is your experience, it deals with your emotions, they are your feelings.

There is no way to show that to someone else, there is no way to talk about that effectively with someone else, unless they have that same mind set.

It should be left alone if it's a debate scenario.

It does nothing for either side, it just makes both sides whine and pout.

There is no winner. You are definitely right, it has no point.

[The Blind God]

iMystere

From my personal experience the majority of people are not like such. Online it's MUCH more common, but I would hope that most people realize that internet forum goers are not the vast majority of people.

I think the best we can do is try and show people to be more accepting and loving, and work with the people who are willing to work with you.

I think the only reason it is more common online is solely because there is less fear of repercussions from saying things.

People feel that there is less impetus to refrain from voicing their true feelings, or from lying through their teeth, for that matter.

Internet goers are people, simply in a different environment.

The societal rules of what is and isn't acceptable are different here.

Despite being a theist, I feel that religiosity is too entrenched in the government and law and needs to be excised from it.

The government's responsibility is not to reinforce religious ideologues, but to prevent the suppression of them, amongst others. Too many seem to have gotten confused about that subject these days, I think.

[iMystere]

The Blind God

iMystere

From my personal experience the majority of people are not like such. Online it's MUCH more common, but I would hope that most people realize that internet forum goers are not the vast majority of people.

I think the best we can do is try and show people to be more accepting and loving, and work with the people who are willing to work with you.

I think the only reason it is more common online is solely because there is less fear of repercussions from saying things.

People feel that there is less impetus to refrain from voicing their true feelings, or from lying through their teeth, for that matter.

Internet goers are people, simply in a different environment.

The societal rules of what is and isn't acceptable are different here.

Despite being a theist, I feel that religiosity is too entrenched in the government and law and needs to be excised from it.

The government's responsibility is not to reinforce religious ideologues, but to prevent the suppression of them, amongst others. Too many seem to have gotten confused about that subject these days, I think.

That's very true. I myself would never voice anything different (Online or offline) from what I believe and feel. I do not want to be hypocritical.

Well, that's why we vote. Yes, the governments isn't always what it says it is, but if when things like gay marriage get banned, it's because people vote. The government can't exactly do anything about people voting based on religious beliefs.

[The Blind God]

War`N`Peace~Of~Mind

I agree with you.

However, I have nothing to really add to that.

It all boils down to what you believe.

If that is what you believe, and it makes you happy, and it does not hurt anyone, then why argue about it?

There is no debate. It is your experience, it deals with your emotions, they are your feelings.

There is no way to show that to someone else, there is no way to talk about that effectively with someone else, unless they have that same mind set.

It should be left alone if it's a debate scenario.

It does nothing for either side, it just makes both sides whine and pout.

There is no winner. You are definitely right, it has no point.

I would say that I and my friend are proof that mutually beneficial dialogue isn't impossible, though.

He's a Deist with some Reform Judaism leanings, and is quite vehemently anti-Christian, at least on an ideological level, while I, myself, am a practicing Christian (and a Mormon, at that- not FLDS or RLDS, either) and we have wonderful discussions about the nature of out faiths and how we approach various things mentally and spiritually.

I think we're both rather surprised on how many points we tend to agree on.

Though that isn't really a "right vs. wrong" type of a discussion, either. Which I'd say is why we can have them and enjoy them- and not that I (or my friend) will pass ourselves off as some kind of moral authorities of any kind, but I think (and I think he would agree with me) that many people would be happier to simply discuss these things in a more respectful way.

[The Blind God]

iMystere

That's very true. I myself would never voice anything different (Online or offline) from what I believe and feel. I do not want to be hypocritical.

Well, that's why we vote. Yes, the governments isn't always what it says it is, but if when things like gay marriage get banned, it's because people vote. The government can't exactly do anything about people voting based on religious beliefs.

Likewise.

That's true enough.

If people were better educated (or at the very least, had more empathy) I think such things would be a thing of the past.

Personally, I don't think marriage should have any kind of legal status- all the legal matters marriage has any significance for at this moment and time could just as easily apply to any two consenting adults, regardless as to their relationship with each other or their sexuality or whatever.

I think if two guys who've been roommates for the past four years want to start filing their taxes together, I think that's their right. Shouldn't have anything to do with whether they're a couple or not.

If the government can regulate gay marriage, what's stopping them from regulating straight marriage? Popular opinion. That's it.

Anyways, I digress. This is getting off topic.

[War`N`Peace~Of~Mind]

The Blind God

War`N`Peace~Of~Mind

I agree with you.

However, I have nothing to really add to that.

It all boils down to what you believe.

If that is what you believe, and it makes you happy, and it does not hurt anyone, then why argue about it?

There is no debate. It is your experience, it deals with your emotions, they are your feelings.

There is no way to show that to someone else, there is no way to talk about that effectively with someone else, unless they have that same mind set.

It should be left alone if it's a debate scenario.

It does nothing for either side, it just makes both sides whine and pout.

There is no winner. You are definitely right, it has no point.

I would say that I and my friend are proof that mutually beneficial dialogue isn't impossible, though.

He's a Deist with some Reform Judaism leanings, and is quite vehemently anti-Christian, at least on an ideological level, while I, myself, am a practicing Christian (and a Mormon, at that- not FLDS or RLDS, either) and we have wonderful discussions about the nature of out faiths and how we approach various things mentally and spiritually.

I think we're both rather surprised on how many points we tend to agree on.

Though that isn't really a "right vs. wrong" type of a discussion, either. Which I'd say is why we can have them and enjoy them- and not that I (or my friend) will pass ourselves off as some kind of moral authorities of any kind, but I think (and I think he would agree with me) that many people would be happier to simply discuss these things in a more respectful way.

There is, usually, an exception to every rule.

However, a good portion of the time a discussion is all but possible between two apposing views.

It would be nice to discuss in a more respectful way. However, some people just get a rush from ticking other people off.

[Manif3sto]

GOD WANTS BLOOD.

[The Blind God]

Manif3sto

GOD WANTS BLOOD.

Silly, Khorne doesn't have an official religion at this point in time or space.

At least, I hope to the Emperor he doesn't.

[Requiem of Maiku]

Phanari

Archangel Maiku

Phanari

Elegante Noche

Phanari

Whenever I come one here, there are so many people speaking out AGAINST Our Lord. Which is SO ironic considering they claim to be "non-conformists". So immature.

I'm speaking in behalf of The Only Lord.

It sickens me how with how much He's done for us, most take it and don't even thanks Him. Much less NOTICE it was His doing.

It's rather sad. No one in this day and age seems to believe that God has a place in our world. When, He created it, so that kinda means.............He DOES!

You just single handily promoted the stereotype that every christian is a blind imbecile.


I hate you

How? I simply started a thread with the purpose of promoting Christianity. How are we blind?

Christianity?!

In words of Jesus from Last Temptation of Christ-"You think God belongs only you? He doesn't. God's an immortal spirit who belongs to everybody, to the whole world. You think you're special? God is not a Israelite."
I make a change to that last line and say, "God is not a Christian."

Sure, perhaps He's not Christian, but He DOESN'T promote it. IE: Christians follow the Bible. He GAVE US the Bible.

No.God gave us The Torah. Church Leaders-men- gave us The Bible. There is a fundamental and very important difference.

[Handpicked Happiness]

TheNightIsAlwaysDarkest
BecauseNoMatterWhat
MyFriendsAreUtterRetards

I'm sorry but this might be long because ********. There's a lot to say to you.

Someone? OK there are MILLIONS of you people pushing your s**t down my throat. I don't believe in your god. i don't believe that he created this world.
You think there is only one god and this is downright bitchy of you to claim it like that. You have no respect for anyone else's belief. You think you and only you can be right.
And that is horrible. How can you prove he's the only god? How can you prove he made this world? How can you prove he even exists?
The bible? I dont believe the bible is true. Its a bunch of stories about pain and suffering to threaten and scare people into your religion.

"The Bible SAYS that we're more important than ANY creature on Earth."
Once again...bible = fake.
Anyone can write a book.
Just because J.K Rowling wrote Harry Potter does that mean its real?
No.
People tell me that because the bible is so old it HAS to be real.
Romeo and Juliet was once written.
Does that mean its real?
No.

I usually do have alot of respect for you people.
But not when you are this ignorant and annoying.
Please.
PLEASE.
Shut up.

JustBeforeTheDawn
i'llAlwaysLoveYou
AndThatsWhyILoveThem