Someone's gotta fight for God on this forum....

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Phanari

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Phanari

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Phanari

And there's this thing called faith? Ever hear of it?

Yeah. It's called belief in something without any proof or evidence. neutral

Correction: KOWLEDGE of something without any proof. There's difference.

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1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

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If you check through your NAS Bible for the meaning of Faith, it's clearly seen as Knowledge.

I don't own a bible and never will and 2, that's a bastardization of the English Language. If you look at the dictionary excerpt I provided that is the true blue definition of what faith is. So instead of reading your little Bible why don't you try reading the dictionary? You might actually learn something. :3

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Phanari

And there's this thing called faith? Ever hear of it?

Yeah. It's called belief in something without any proof or evidence. neutral

No, its not. I suggest you look to how the actual faith you wish to know more about defines it, instead of your standard dictionary.

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If we assume there is a creator, then the answer is simple: the universe is complex.

...Wait what?

You don't purchase a puzzle that's already completed, do you?

....I still don't get it.

It takes a thought process to create anything.

Really? Really really really really really really really really really really really?

I know you're trying to make me look like a fool, but when you take something as complex as the universe and assume something created it, then one must assume that the "something" is some form of a sentient being.

[Neferet -House of Night-]

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Yeah, so?

I am not professing to be an anti-hero, but just a person who likes to see people reach their potential. We never are moved far, on a personal or societal level, when we have any sort of status quo exist. Man is dynamic, alive, and his worst enemy is stagnation of his head and his heart.

I'm saying that there isn't just protagonists and antagonists.

No, that's pretty much it, provided, as I said, that one is serious with their lives. The essential element of the anti-hero, the thing that makes him so attractive, is that he is tragic because, for either things he did or things that happened to him, he is not of society. His burden is a torturous one, and one that we all can recognize and understand.

Not only that but it's the more realistic role I think.

How? We as humans dont desire a life of tragedy, hence why we avoid it when possible. The tragedy of the anti-hero is that he cant escape his personal dilemmas, he has no hope because he does not seek it out. Humans on the other hand seek and have hope in this world, so its rather difficult for me to see how its realistic beyond the idea that there are some people who do suffer so.

That's what you fail to realize. Tragedy is apart of our lives whether we want it to be or not. People die everyday. Many humans are either abused, murdered, beaten, etc. To say we seek hope is foolish. Many of us after experiencing the darkness of this tragedy only seek an exit to end the suffering, to end the pain.

[Phanari]

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Phanari

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Phanari

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Yeah. It's called belief in something without any proof or evidence. neutral

Correction: KOWLEDGE of something without any proof. There's difference.

Quote:

1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

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If you check through your NAS Bible for the meaning of Faith, it's clearly seen as Knowledge.

I don't own a bible and never will and 2, that's a bastardization of the English Language. If you look at the dictionary excerpt I provided that is the true blue definition of what faith is. So instead of reading your little Bible why don't you try reading the dictionary? You might actually learn something. :3

Dictionary wasn't given to us through God. It was written by falwed, sinnful men. Which word would I rather trust......hmmmm..........the True Word of God? Or the flawed work of man? I'd rather follow the Word of God.

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Phanari

THAT'S a very sad way of viewing things.

Reality isn't always happy, I'm afraid.

[Thousand years of Ween]

People still follow this nonsense?

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Phanari

Dictionary wasn't given to us through God. It was written by falwed, sinnful men. Which word would I rather trust......hmmmm..........the True Word of God? Or the flawed work of man? I'd rather follow the Word of God.

The Bible is the word of God according to what? That's right, the Bible.


This is circular logic. Get used to it, there's a lot of it in Christianity.

[Phanari]

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Phanari

THAT'S a very sad way of viewing things.

Reality isn't always happy, I'm afraid.

True, thanks to sin. But if you view life in the negative, you'll always be depressed. However, if you view it in the positive, things'll change for ya. Try it.

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Phanari

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Phanari

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Yeah. It's called belief in something without any proof or evidence. neutral

Correction: KOWLEDGE of something without any proof. There's difference.

Quote:

1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

Want to try again? neutral

If you check through your NAS Bible for the meaning of Faith, it's clearly seen as Knowledge.

I don't own a bible and never will and 2, that's a bastardization of the English Language. If you look at the dictionary excerpt I provided that is the true blue definition of what faith is. So instead of reading your little Bible why don't you try reading the dictionary? You might actually learn something. :3

... Meh, standardized definitions aside, when one has faith and believes in something (provable, unseen, or not), then that also means that they KNOW or "know" that it is in fact true. If a person says she believes in something, she not only believes it, she knows it. The fact as to whether it's true or not is irrelevant, as this is the little girl's own personal knowledge. It's not the same version of knowledge we're so adapted to, but a personal point of view-ish type knowledge... though I don't know what that would be called. Though, faith is a more personal matter that varies from person to person, to which it cannot be universally and accurately depicted and described for all cases of all people.

Hope that makes sense. :/

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Phanari

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Phanari

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God can defend himself. He doesn't need some insignificant mortal like yourself to do it. He is not weak. Stop thinking that he is.

I wasn't thinking He is. I didn't even SAY that. Where'd you get the idea that I did? And in God's eyes, we're far from insignificant. The Bible SAYS that we're more important than ANY creature on Earth.

Is being the most important on Earth make us all that cool? I mean, I'm sure we're not as awesome as the Twin Leviathans, one of which got killed due to God's miscalculations and whatnot.

In case you never read the frist book in the Bible, we were all made in His image. He loves us more than ANYTHING else He made.

i agree we were made in his likeness
and in another book (i forget which one)
God says we are precious than many spareows

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Yeah, so?

I am not professing to be an anti-hero, but just a person who likes to see people reach their potential. We never are moved far, on a personal or societal level, when we have any sort of status quo exist. Man is dynamic, alive, and his worst enemy is stagnation of his head and his heart.

I'm saying that there isn't just protagonists and antagonists.

No, that's pretty much it, provided, as I said, that one is serious with their lives. The essential element of the anti-hero, the thing that makes him so attractive, is that he is tragic because, for either things he did or things that happened to him, he is not of society. His burden is a torturous one, and one that we all can recognize and understand.

Not only that but it's the more realistic role I think.

How? We as humans dont desire a life of tragedy, hence why we avoid it when possible. The tragedy of the anti-hero is that he cant escape his personal dilemmas, he has no hope because he does not seek it out. Humans on the other hand seek and have hope in this world, so its rather difficult for me to see how its realistic beyond the idea that there are some people who do suffer so.

That's what you fail to realize. Tragedy is apart of our lives whether we want it to be or not. People die everyday. Many humans are either abused, murdered, beaten, etc. To say we seek hope is foolish. Many of us after experiencing the darkness of this tragedy only seek an exit to end the suffering, to end the pain.

Like I already said, I agree that it is 'realistic' in so far as that it does exist; we all have tragedy, so its what makes the anti-hero so appealing. His nihilism though is what ultimately defeats him and keeps him out of reality in the sense that we desire to be one or aspire to it. For, as previously said again, we are not beings of tragedy, which is to say we seek that out in our lives.

How is it foolish to say we seek hope? What does the act of even getting up, in the face of human problems, which I never denied, signify but a hope, a want, a need for something that fills us totally? If we were all tragic beings who sought tragedy, then we would lie in bed til our dying day, full of potential, yet never acting to escape our self-handed defeat. That is truly tragic.

Some seek an end, but most dont. It is for this reason that, for many, suicide is so inherently repulsive or saddening; it signifies a total abandonment of hope. Some get angry for giving up when there was more to do, while others pity those who have fallen to themselves, but both base their reactions from the same root; we are made to hope.

[Kuchen Fairy]

ratrapid

If the person "fighting" for Christianity is indeed Christian, I claim bias and therefore invalidity.
Find somebody who isn't Christian and has no bias to bring about an unbiased opinion on the matter.
Heh heh heh, that'll keep her busy.

I'll nominate myself.

[Phanari]

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Phanari

Dictionary wasn't given to us through God. It was written by falwed, sinnful men. Which word would I rather trust......hmmmm..........the True Word of God? Or the flawed work of man? I'd rather follow the Word of God.

The Bible is the word of God according to what? That's right, the Bible.


This is circular logic. Get used to it, there's a lot of it in Christianity.

Look through it. I mean, REALLY look through it. Old Testement was written MANY decades before the New. And yet.............it prophesizes Christ's crusefiction? SERIOUSLY! Check it out. It's in Exodus.

[Watagashi]

Phanari

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Phanari

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Phanari

Correction: KOWLEDGE of something without any proof. There's difference.

Quote:

1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

Want to try again? neutral

If you check through your NAS Bible for the meaning of Faith, it's clearly seen as Knowledge.

I don't own a bible and never will and 2, that's a bastardization of the English Language. If you look at the dictionary excerpt I provided that is the true blue definition of what faith is. So instead of reading your little Bible why don't you try reading the dictionary? You might actually learn something. :3

Dictionary wasn't given to us through God. It was written by falwed, sinnful men. Which word would I rather trust......hmmmm..........the True Word of God? Or the flawed work of man? I'd rather follow the Word of God.

Ummm.... truth be told, the Bible was also written by man that have also sinned. sweatdrop Some of the books may have been divinely inspired (God talking through man), but still.... That's not a very good argument.