Pro-Life? Prove it!

Are you

Pro-Choice, in any situation	43.8%	[ 60 ]
Pro-Choice, only until a certain point	24.1%	[ 33 ]
Pro-Choice, though I could never have an abortion myself	10.2%	[ 14 ]
Pro-Life, no abortions should occur, regardless of circumstances	4.4%	[ 6 ]
Pro-Life, But I will make an exception for rape, incest, and the life of the mother	10.2%	[ 14 ]
Pro-Life, but I'll make an exception ONLY to save the mother's life	7.3%	[ 10 ]
Total Votes:			[ 137 ]

[Gabriel of the sun]

Je Nique vos Merdiers

Gabriel of the sun

Je Nique vos Merdiers

Gabriel of the sun

We as people have forgotten that sex at it’s most natural and basic level is for pro creation and any consenting body making this decision knows what could be the out come. Why should a life be snuffed out because of your own irresponsibility. As an very sexually active American i will be the first to tell ya it's quite easy to not get pregnant.

That may be, but why is it so important that every embryo be allowed to live? There's already 7 billion people on the planet, I think we can afford not to make new ones.

I know this may sound nuts, but abortion is not the answer to population reduction.
What we need is a good ol fashion plauge. whee

I'm not saying that we should be doing more abortions to lessen the population, I'm saying embryonic life isn't always worthwhile, which is supported by studies that show legalization of abortion is inversely related to violent crime. Less violence means a higher living standard, which results in a lower birth rate overall. In other words, the availability of abortion indirectly means people actually have fewer children.

However, as effective as abortion is at reducing accidental births, it's not as effective as long-term stockpiles of contraceptives. We should just be giving these things away for free.

Hell yeah I'm all for free contraceptives there functions and applications should be taught.

And that's really my point there are so many ways to prevent pregnancy that the amount abortions that take place in this country is horrendous.

We have too many resources at our finger tips to have to time after time resort to what should be at the very bottom of the list. Which goes back to me speaking of irresponsibility and ignorance.

[Shirabelle]

Steam Punk Adept

Hypothetical scenario, but one that occurs every day.

A woman discovers that, not only is she pregnant, but the pregnancy is Ectopic. This is an extremely dangerous type of pregnancy, in which the mother has a very high risk of death, and the fetus has an incredibly low rate of survival. The only option that guarantees the life of the mother is abortion. Do you believe she should abort?

rofl PRO-LIFE, PROVE IT.
LIFE or DEATH DEATH, CHOOSE.

[Centuries Before]

Gabriel of the sun

Je Nique vos Merdiers

Gabriel of the sun

Je Nique vos Merdiers

Gabriel of the sun

We as people have forgotten that sex at it’s most natural and basic level is for pro creation and any consenting body making this decision knows what could be the out come. Why should a life be snuffed out because of your own irresponsibility. As an very sexually active American i will be the first to tell ya it's quite easy to not get pregnant.

That may be, but why is it so important that every embryo be allowed to live? There's already 7 billion people on the planet, I think we can afford not to make new ones.

I know this may sound nuts, but abortion is not the answer to population reduction.
What we need is a good ol fashion plauge. whee

I'm not saying that we should be doing more abortions to lessen the population, I'm saying embryonic life isn't always worthwhile, which is supported by studies that show legalization of abortion is inversely related to violent crime. Less violence means a higher living standard, which results in a lower birth rate overall. In other words, the availability of abortion indirectly means people actually have fewer children.

However, as effective as abortion is at reducing accidental births, it's not as effective as long-term stockpiles of contraceptives. We should just be giving these things away for free.

Hell yeah I'm all for free contraceptives there functions and applications should be taught.

And that's really my point there are so many ways to prevent pregnancy that the amount abortions that take place in this country is horrendous.

We have too many resources at our finger tips to have to time after time resort to what should be at the very bottom of the list. Which goes back to me speaking of irresponsibility and ignorance.

Even with using one or more methods of birth control that are 98-99% effective, pregnancies can still happen neutral . So there goes your notion of irresponsibility and ignorance. If someone is careful, takes all the necessary precautions and gets pregnancy unwantedly by pure unlucky fluke, she has a right to terminate what she was already taking multiple steps to avoid. Not her fault that fate threw her a s**t moment.

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Gabriel of the sun

Je Nique vos Merdiers

Gabriel of the sun

We as people have forgotten that sex at it’s most natural and basic level is for pro creation and any consenting body making this decision knows what could be the out come. Why should a life be snuffed out because of your own irresponsibility. As an very sexually active American i will be the first to tell ya it's quite easy to not get pregnant.

That may be, but why is it so important that every embryo be allowed to live? There's already 7 billion people on the planet, I think we can afford not to make new ones.

I know this may sound nuts, but abortion is not the answer to population reduction.
What we need is a good ol fashion plauge. whee

I don't think we should reduce the population at all. xp

[Olya]

Somehow, it always saddens me when people do not view anti-abortion stance as legitimate. Morality, I guess, is strictly black and white. You're either right or you're wrong. I suppose that is a very easy and convenient way to live.

Ignorant, bigoted assholes.

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

[rovas12]

Olya

Somehow, it always saddens me when people do not view anti-abortion stance as legitimate. Morality, I guess, is strictly black and white. You're either right or you're wrong. I suppose that is a very easy and convenient way to live.

Ignorant, bigoted assholes.

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

Most of the anti-abortion arguments are based on moral objections to stopping the growth of what could be sentient life while pro-abortion arguments are grounded in the practicality of abortion and the consequences of having an unwanted child.

And instead of just insulting everyone how about presenting a well reasoned and thought out argument.

[Olya]

rovas12

Olya

Somehow, it always saddens me when people do not view anti-abortion stance as legitimate. Morality, I guess, is strictly black and white. You're either right or you're wrong. I suppose that is a very easy and convenient way to live.

Ignorant, bigoted assholes.

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

Most of the anti-abortion arguments are based on moral objections to stopping the growth of what could be sentient life while pro-abortion arguments are grounded in the practicality of abortion and the consequences of having an unwanted child.

And?

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

[rovas12]

Olya

rovas12

Olya

Somehow, it always saddens me when people do not view anti-abortion stance as legitimate. Morality, I guess, is strictly black and white. You're either right or you're wrong. I suppose that is a very easy and convenient way to live.

Ignorant, bigoted assholes.

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

Most of the anti-abortion arguments are based on moral objections to stopping the growth of what could be sentient life while pro-abortion arguments are grounded in the practicality of abortion and the consequences of having an unwanted child.

And?

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

And? what do you mean and? When an entire argument is based on how someone feels about a situation then it's not only reasonable to see the argument and illegitimate but expected. When a person is making a decision regarding the freedoms and rights of an individual over their own body they should not be subject to opinions and whims of people who are in no way affected by their choice.

[Olya]

rovas12

Olya

rovas12

Olya

Somehow, it always saddens me when people do not view anti-abortion stance as legitimate. Morality, I guess, is strictly black and white. You're either right or you're wrong. I suppose that is a very easy and convenient way to live.

Ignorant, bigoted assholes.

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

Most of the anti-abortion arguments are based on moral objections to stopping the growth of what could be sentient life while pro-abortion arguments are grounded in the practicality of abortion and the consequences of having an unwanted child.

And?

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

And? what do you mean and? When an entire argument is based on how someone feels about a situation then it's not only reasonable to see the argument and illegitimate but expected. When a person is making a decision regarding the freedoms and rights of an individual over their own body they should not be subject to opinions and whims of people who are in no way affected by their choice.

When the entire argument is based on a perceived culturally-constructed notion of what an individual is entitled to, there will always be a legitimate difference of opinion. Ideological homogeneity is both a frightening and an unnatural proposition.

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

[faerystrangeme]

Gabriel of the sun

On the other hand i think you would be naive and idiotic if you believe most abortions are to save the women's life or cases of rape and incest. The truth is most are done out of convenience. Now maybe this is just me but i think it’s morally wrong and selfish to end a developing human beings life because it some how puts a hinder on your career goals, life plans, or what ever .

I do think it's important to define 'convenience' here. This 2008 study by the Guttmacher Institute found that 61% of women having abortions already had one child, and that 42% of women having abortions were poor. For these women, an abortion is a 'convenience' that allows them to continue taking care of the child they already have, and (maybe) stay off of welfare. These women wouldn't be sacrificing an illustrious career if they had another child, they very well might be sacrificing a job, period.

In response to something else brought up in this thread, yes, we definitely should be giving away multiple forms of birth control for free.

[rovas12]

Olya

rovas12

Olya

rovas12

Olya

Somehow, it always saddens me when people do not view anti-abortion stance as legitimate. Morality, I guess, is strictly black and white. You're either right or you're wrong. I suppose that is a very easy and convenient way to live.

Ignorant, bigoted assholes.

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

Most of the anti-abortion arguments are based on moral objections to stopping the growth of what could be sentient life while pro-abortion arguments are grounded in the practicality of abortion and the consequences of having an unwanted child.

And?

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

And? what do you mean and? When an entire argument is based on how someone feels about a situation then it's not only reasonable to see the argument and illegitimate but expected. When a person is making a decision regarding the freedoms and rights of an individual over their own body they should not be subject to opinions and whims of people who are in no way affected by their choice.

When the entire argument is based on a perceived culturally-constructed notion of what an individual is entitled to, there will always be a legitimate difference of opinion. Ideological homogeneity is both a frightening and an unnatural proposition.

gaia_angelleft gaia_star gaia_angelright

until about 3 months into the pregnancy the foetus is an unthinking, unfeeling mass of flesh. It does not think, feel, know, want or care. It's not even growing of it's own accord as a plant might. It is growing from it's mother and as far as I'm concerned at that stage of growth it can not be counted as a life separate from it's mothers. Therefore all rights as to how it should be treated should be left to the mother.
Unfortunately this has become a matter of opinion as most people choose to reject what medicine defines a foetus as.

I do agree though that after 3 months when the foetus begins to gain sentience that it should not be aborted.

[Dorinkingu]

Of course she should have an abortion. The life of the woman is more important than the life of a fetus that probably won't even survive anyways D:

[Riviera de la Mancha]

I dont get the point of the question in relation to the name of the thread. Being pro-life has never excluded abortions where the life of the mother is at risk.

[Yandere-San]

Keltoi Samurai

in those cases, I think the typical pro-life stance is something about "God's Will" and "pray for a miracle" and so on and so forth. basically, if she didn't deserve to die, she wouldn't have contracted a terminal case of the pregnants.

Nah, some of us are pretty reasonable. I say abort the baby. Nothing like growing up knowing you caused mommy's death.

[washu_2004]

Riviera de la Mancha

I dont get the point of the question in relation to the name of the thread. Being pro-life has never excluded abortions where the life of the mother is at risk.

I agree here, if there is a situation where the only choices are to save one life and lose one or lose two lives and save none, I will choose the one where I minimize the losses.

And no the threatened suicide scenario that is so often dragged out as the example to justify abortion in all cases is not a common occurrence and even these rare cases there is an underlining reason for the threatened suicide which goes beyond the patient simply being pregnant in most cases, there are often far more complicated reasons such as mental illness or external pressure from other individuals at work in these situations that are the reason behind the patient's suicide threats and when they are removed or treated the suicidal urges of the patient will subside. If a patient walks in to any reputable doctor and threatens suicide for any reason it is expected (and ethically obliged) that the doctor will intervene and call in specialist care in the for of a stay in an acute mental health ward of the hospital to find the real reason for the threats and treat it rather than cave in instantly to the patients demands.