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[queen Aoibheal]

i really dont care anymore at this point i just need to sleep so i can think straight at this point instead of arguing over something i apologied for and my choice of religion and which i choose to stay under. its actually fine with me to be considered a pagan instead of being in my coven (which i didnt not state that i was in or not) and fighting with the others who disagree with the highprestiess on something that doesnt need to discussed.


but this is something ive picked up in more than one artical on wiccan practions and this is what i do

wikipedia
In contrast, Eclectic Wiccans are more often than not solitary practitioners. Some of these "solitaries" do, however, attend gatherings and other community events, but reserve their spiritual practices (Sabbats, Esbats, spell-casting, worship, magical work, etc.) for when they are alone. Eclectic Wiccans now significantly outnumber lineaged Wiccans, and their beliefs and practices tend to be much more varied

[Sanguina Cruenta]

queen Aoibheal

i really dont care anymore at this point i just need to sleep so i can think straight at this point instead of arguing over something i apologied for and my choice of religion and which i choose to stay under. its actually fine with me to be considered a pagan instead of being in my coven (which i didnt not state that i was in or not) and fighting with the others who disagree with the highprestiess on something that doesnt need to discussed

No one's arguing your choice of religion. We're informing about Wicca. What you actually believe and do is none of our concern - it's simply not Wicca.

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In contrast, Eclectic Wiccans are more often than not solitary practitioners. Some of these "solitaries" do, however, attend gatherings and other community events, but reserve their spiritual practices (Sabbats, Esbats, spell-casting, worship, magical work, etc.) for when they are alone. Eclectic Wiccans now significantly outnumber lineaged Wiccans, and their beliefs and practices tend to be much more varied

Unfortunately wikipedia is a very bad source on Wicca. There's really no such thing as "eclectic Wicca". Although the quote is correct insofar as people who call themselves eclectic Wiccans outnumber actual Wiccans. Depressing, ne?

[Azriel45]

wow.
where do I even start?

@Lihoa: You darling are a misguided soul. If the things you've been spouted off are what you believe, then I think you very well may need to spend some time talking to the lord and lady, because you're going about things all wrong.

@Anticitizen Vincent: while I think you may be the most educated person i've read on this thread, you're doing it wrong.
And boss, Gardner wrote the first texts after the witchcraft laws were repealed. He didn't create the religion or practices.

@OP: Doll, I think you might need to just read what you can and make your own educated decisions on things before being swayed by the opinions of others.

[Anticitizen Vincent]

Azriel45

@Anticitizen Vincent: while I think you may be the most educated person i've read on this thread, you're doing it wrong.

I don't really care.

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And boss, Gardner wrote the first texts after the witchcraft laws were repealed. He didn't create the religion or practices.

Uh, no. He created it. He might have taken preconceived ideas, but he most certainly made the religion itself.

[queen Aoibheal]

while thats true, and i dont mean to be snappy. i choose to be seperated from my coven for the most part , i get touchy with alot of the member and rather practice it myself until one of the holidays comes around. And with my major and two minors it takes more time away from joining them and i hate that fact.

This i have decided needs to change for the fact that i wish to move out of this one and join with my origional family coven, for the fact that i believe the one im in now is courrupt in a terrible way. i dont think its a good thing to have members uprooting the highpreistess in anyway.

but the reason i posted the wiki... was because im realted to the electic wiccan more because i dont join in with my coven like im sosposed to.

another thing i have learned is.........know your mistakes and i made plenty of them in this thread, i was definalty in the wrong and got alot of things mixed up, and other things just plain didnt make sense. which i do apologise for once again.

[Sanguina Cruenta]

Azriel45

@Lihoa: You darling are a misguided soul. If the things you've been spouted off are what you believe, then I think you very well may need to spend some time talking to the lord and lady, because you're going about things all wrong.

She's not a Wiccan. She doesn't worship the Lord and Lady of Wicca.

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And boss, Gardner wrote the first texts after the witchcraft laws were repealed. He didn't create the religion or practices.

Yes, he did. He most emphatically did. When it comes to the practices - which define an orthopraxy - he even admitted as much.

[Sanguina Cruenta]

queen Aoibheal

while thats true, and i dont mean to be snappy. i choose to be seperated from my coven for the most part , i get touchy with alot of the member and rather practice it myself until one of the holidays comes around. And with my major and two minors it takes more time away from joining them and i hate that fact.

If you get touchy with the members, how does that reflect on the whole "perfect love and perfect trust" thing? Why did you choose to join a coven if you didn't really like the members?

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This i have decided needs to change for the fact that i wish to move out of this one and join with my origional family coven, for the fact that i believe the one im in now is courrupt in a terrible way. i dont think its a good thing to have members uprooting the highpreistess in anyway.

Have you been in contact with the up-line?

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but the reason i posted the wiki... was because im realted to the electic wiccan more because i dont join in with my coven like im sosposed to.

But eclectic Wicca doesn't exist. That's essentially what we're saying here.

[queen Aoibheal]

everything you have said is true, i did like them at first and we got along fine until the weird uprooting thing started and thats when i started getting touchy with other members.

yes ive actually spoken with some of the highers and they have told me that they will take care of it with the preistess herself, but i have not seen any changes.

and to the last is while i agree with you, another point i was making as well. while it doesnt exist, im apart of a coven yet not really apart of it.....does that make sense? i feel more outside of my faith alot of the time than apart of something that i really believe in, which i find more when im practicing by myself?

[Sanguina Cruenta]

queen Aoibheal

and to the last is while i agree with you, another point i was making as well. while it doesnt exist, im apart of a coven yet not really apart of it.....does that make sense? i feel more outside of my faith alot of the time than apart of something that i really believe in, which i find more when im practicing by myself?

The thing is, what you practise alone isn't Wicca. Now, it might be based on Wicca. You may try to recreate Wiccan rituals as close as you can. But it's effectively not possible; you need other people with you.

Many Wiccans practise other beliefs and religions outside of Wicca. Some also practise a recon religion, some follow a particular deity from another pantheon, etc. But what they do outside a coven isn't Wicca, and it can't be blended with Wicca. So the Wicca you practise, with your coven, would be Wicca. You can't blend it with personal practice and call the whole "eclectic Wicca", because it's not. And it's probably against oath.

What tradition were you, again?

[queen Aoibheal]

i was known as celtic wiccan but i dunno now. i think im just gonna step back somewhat and see what else is out there, and when i join my family ill see.

Unless the herditary witch is true, but thats a family thing anyway.

[Sanguina Cruenta]

queen Aoibheal

i was known as celtic wiccan but i dunno now. i think im just gonna step back somewhat and see what else is out there, and when i join my family ill see.

Unless the herditary witch is true, but thats a family thing anyway.

Well, witchcraft and Wicca aren't the same thing anyway. I was enquiring after Wiccan lineage.

Celtic Wicca is.... generally considered to be cultural misappropriation. It's rarely very Celtic, and it's not Wicca. You get people like Edain McCoy and DJ Conway writing books and saying "this is totally authentic Celtic religion" and so on, and it's all blatant lies. Half of them say something stupid like "the ancient celts made this potato dish..." or "the Pagan Celts carved pumpkins at Samhain", when even a basic knowledge of history will tell you that potatoes and pumpkins are new world crops that the pagan Celts would not have known about. I don't know how they get away with it.

If you have been initiated into Wicca, you will have been told your initiatory lineage. You --> your initiator --> their initiator, and so on back to Gardner. It's one of those "necessary to be Wiccan" things.

[queen Aoibheal]

yea thats the thing i didnt get for the most part since alot of different things seem to come out of different things from european cultures and all the background information that comes in and out of the times it was introduced and faded in and out. alot of its either mixed up like i was earlier or has nothing to do with it.


i know i didnt answer it, i had it written down in my book somewhere since im someone who tends to forget things or misplace it, so i had to search for it...

mine is associatied with alexandrian

[Sanguina Cruenta]

Ah, cool.

[queen Aoibheal]

its not that far off, little enhancement from gardners.
i just need to figure out what to do about this coven issue and i figure the rest out by getting sleep for the next fifteen hrs.

thanks for helping me figure that out though, so even making one huge confusion and bad reading on my part. along with arguing over that mistake helps get help from dumber and dumber mistakes through to realization. sorry again, and thanks.

[Luna_Tuna_Bear]

wow, i missed a lot.

lol, i thought we were gonna change the subject sweatdrop