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[Violet Song jat Shariff]

queen Aoibheal

okay well no she did state that she was going into earth based wiccan so that was stated out of text

I don't think so...she said she was an eclectic pagan who does white magic.
Nowhere in there is it stated she is an "earth based wiccan."
Perhaps you are confusing Wicca and witchcraft to be synonymous?

[Anticitizen Vincent]

queen Aoibheal

paganism,

Is an umbrella term relating to anything that isn't Abrahamic based.

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druidism

Isn't an actual religion, seeing as being a druid didn't make you part of some secret faith. It made you a doctor or a lawyer, something like that.

Plus, they were sort of wiped out a long time ago, so you wouldn't exactly have any damn clue as to their practices.

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the hunter god and goddess of fertility.

The?

Do you have any idea how many gods and goddesses there are, and you think that there's only a single god and goddess that cover hunting and fertility? Seriously?

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earth wiccan is celtic,

There is no such thing.

I could have sworn that I said this before.

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while faerie is on the fae.

What does that even mean?

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but i stated that type of wiccan came from ireland which was where it was more likley to be found.

No, it's not. Wicca was founded in Britain. Britain.

BRITAIN.

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but the thing is i dont really care what any of you think about what i have said and yes some of it sounds weird which is how i usually say things in a way that doesnt make since so what thats me, and if you wanna make fun of my college class you can talk to my teacher since he normally does the same thing to about things i write down. and im done for now, not only did i get to do my research i got an insider to the fighting of religious begingins, beliefs, and rifts from all views. so i killed two birds with one stone.

Wow. Your teacher must either be a really shitty teacher and researcher, or you don't pay any attention at all.

Either that, or you're lying out of your a**.

[queen Aoibheal]

Violet Song jat Shariff

queen Aoibheal

okay well no she did state that she was going into earth based wiccan so that was stated out of text

I don't think so...she said she was an eclectic pagan who does white magic.
Nowhere in there is it stated she is an "earth based wiccan."
Perhaps you are confusing Wicca and witchcraft to be synonymous?

i probably am....
im sorry for confusing alot of people though, not only am i three days behind on this type of subject, ive been up for two days non stop doing two different researches, and getting alot of it jumbled up all because i had to miss three days worth of classes.....

Ill have to go back and see what i wrote, sorry again for either bugging on something or just mixing things up, im out of wack.

[Sanguina Cruenta]

queen Aoibheal

Paleolithic people who believed in the hunter god and goddess of fertility.

See, they actually didn't. Margaret Murray advanced this theory back in the early 20th century, but she didn't actually have all that much of a basis for her theories. They were debunked in the '70s.

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earth wiccan is celtic,

There is no form of Wicca called "earth Wicca", and no form of Wicca particularly associated with the earth.
No form of Wicca is Celtic, at all.

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while faerie is on the fae...

There's no faerie Wicca either.

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ill also say that most people tend to do their own thing in any religion anyway, which why many are solitary in wicca wiccan pagan beliefs.

People do tend to do their own thing, yes. But Wicca doesn't work that way. If you don't do things the Wiccan way, follow Wiccan rituals etc, you aren't a Wiccan. Which isn't a bad thing. It's just that you're not Wiccan.

You can't be a solitary Wiccan, unless you were initiated and then, for whatever reason, had to leave your coven. But you can't practice Wicca whilst solitary, because the rituals require a group.

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if you wanna make fun of my college class you can talk to my teacher since he normally does the same thing to about things i write down

Can we get his email? I'd like to contact your teacher and see if he is actually where you're getting this, so I can contact the university and inform them.

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

queen Aoibheal

Violet Song jat Shariff

queen Aoibheal

okay well no she did state that she was going into earth based wiccan so that was stated out of text

I don't think so...she said she was an eclectic pagan who does white magic.
Nowhere in there is it stated she is an "earth based wiccan."
Perhaps you are confusing Wicca and witchcraft to be synonymous?

i probably am....
im sorry for confusing alot of people though, not only am i three days behind on this type of subject, ive been up for two days non stop doing two different researches, and getting alot of it jumbled up.

Ill have to go back and see what i wrote, sorry again....

No worries.

For future reference though...Wicca is a specific religion. Witchcraft is exactly what it says on the label; a craft. Anyone can practice witchcraft so long as they can mesh it with their worldview and their faith 3nodding .

And now, Vi is off to bed.

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Scubas: Well, as you stated before, Wicca is fertility based. Most of Eclectic Neo-paganism is earth-based though 3nodding . A lot of people draw from the outer-court material of Wicca to build up their eclectic path.
Here, in case you haven't looked at it yet, here is the Wiccan FAQ here on Gaia.

[Luna_Tuna_Bear]

i feel weird...people are arguing about me sweatdrop


it might be because i said that i get some of my beliefs from wicca, but definitely not all. I got the earth-based PAGAN thing from wicca, because my understanding of it so far is that it is earth-based. Please tell me if i am mistaken.

[Sanguina Cruenta]

Scubas_girl

it might be because i said that i get some of my beliefs from wicca, but definitely not all. I got the earth-based PAGAN thing from wicca, because my understanding of it so far is that it is earth-based. Please tell me if i am mistaken.

Wicca itself is fertility-based. It's also defined chiefly by its rituals and how they are performed.

It's an experiential mystery religion. This means that the teachings of the religion, the beliefs, etc are things that are taught and understood through these rituals. You participate in the ritual, you experience it, and what you experience is your understanding of the religion. For this reason, you have to practice those rituals in order to be a Wiccan.

So, you can be inspired by works that inspire Wicca (like the White Goddess), or you could be inspired by books that profess to describe Wicca (like Valiente or the Farrars).

[Luna_Tuna_Bear]

thank you for correcting me, i appreciate it lots.

thank you for the info Vi, and blessed be




so much to learn, i dont know who the white Goddes is or Valiente or the Farrars sweatdrop

[queen Aoibheal]

Violet Song jat Shariff

No worries.

For future reference though...Wicca is a specific religion. Witchcraft is exactly what it says on the label; a craft. Anyone can practice witchcraft so long as they can mesh it with their worldview and their faith 3nodding .

yes i see where i messed up..... sweatdrop
sorry again i was going to a whole different subject on it from my history reseach.

i know most of this i guess im just lost at the moment and confusing it all up...im wiccan and not all mine are from that specific one either. I somewhat draw from three other sources as well. so i have different ideas on where im coming from, and im solitary as well and do it my own way from each, and combined them into my own type though i get along with most ohers in other pagan based people and we all share that its faith something we all fit into.

[Lihoa]

Religions aren't really open to changing to how you desire. Wicca IS a religion, that has it's own rules.


Being pagan, it's not a religion. It's an umbrella term used to describe anyone who doesn't worship the christian/jewish/etc god. So you can believe pretty much whatever you want and be pagan. You can make your own paths and define your own rules.

[Sanguina Cruenta]

Scubas_girl

so much to learn, i dont know who the white Goddes is or Valiente or the Farrars sweatdrop

The White Goddess is a book written by Robert Graves. It's sort of an essay thing, kinda. It's one of the pieces that inspired Gardner when he was creating Wicca, along with Aradia: Gospel of the Witches and The Golden Bough. They were written in the 1800s so they kinda romanticise history and get a fair bit wrong, but yeah.

All of those are public domain; you can read them on websites like Sacred Texts.

Doreen Valiente was one of Gardner's High Priestesses. She wrote a few books like "Witchcraft for Tomorrow" that are fairly popular, although she assumes the theories of Murray are correct. They're pretty good, though, and she was a wonderful old lady. She died in the '90s I think.

Janet and Stuart Farrar were Alexandrian Wiccans at one point. Stuart's dead now and Janet's moved on to something she calls "progressive witchcraft". But they wrote a few books that are really good when it comes to Wicca. There's "The Witches Bible" (which is comprised of two separate books, "Eight Sabbats for Witches" and "What Witches Do" wink , "The Witches' God" and "The Witches' Goddess". Worth a read, anyway.

[Lihoa]

queen Aoibheal

Violet Song jat Shariff

No worries.

For future reference though...Wicca is a specific religion. Witchcraft is exactly what it says on the label; a craft. Anyone can practice witchcraft so long as they can mesh it with their worldview and their faith 3nodding .

yes i see where i messed up..... sweatdrop
sorry again i was going to a whole different subject on it from my history reseach.

i know most of this i guess im just lost at the moment and confusing it all up...im wiccan and not all mine are from that specific one either. I somewhat draw from three other sources as well. so i have different ideas on where im coming from, and im solitary as well and do it my own way from each, and combined them into my own type though i get along with most ohers in other pagan based people and we all share that its faith something we all fit into.

Why do you think you're wiccan.
And why do you think you can be wiccan and solitary.

[queen Aoibheal]

Lihoa

Why do you think you're wiccan.
And why do you think you can be wiccan and solitary.

i say wiccan but most probably say wicca i just choose to say it like that. for the main reason though is that i follow the triple goddess and the horned god. I do all the rituals, the wheel calander, and i have the book of shadows..

but i choose to be solitary for the most part is that i cannot tend coven gatherings all the time from my schooling, and i can not be around alot of people all the time because i clash with time alot. so i usually only attend to the eight holidays for a coven ritual.

[Lihoa]

queen Aoibheal

Lihoa

Why do you think you're wiccan.
And why do you think you can be wiccan and solitary.

i say wiccan but most probably say wicca i just choose to say it like that. for the man reason though is that i follow the triple goddess and the horned god. I do all the rituals, the wheel calander, and i have the book of shadows..

but i choose to be solitary for the most part is that i cannot tend coven gatherings all the time from my schooling, and i can not be around alot of people all the time because i clash with time alot. so i usually only attend to the eight holidays for a coven ritual.

To be wiccan you MUST be initiated into a coven.
And they worship the lady and lord of the isles.

And you don't just "say it like that." A wiccan is a person who practices wicca. Which is a closed mystery religion.


So you're not wiccan, you're just pagan.

[Sanguina Cruenta]

queen Aoibheal

i say wiccan but most probably say wicca i just choose to say it like that.

She means, if you're not a Wiccan, you shouldn't call yourself a Wiccan.

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for the main reason though is that i follow the triple goddess and the horned god

Are these the Lord and Lady of the Isles? What are their names?

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I do all the rituals, the wheel calander, and i have the book of shadows..

Now we're getting into the nitty gritty.

The rituals of Wicca are secret. You can only learn and practise them in a lineaged coven environment. If you've never been initiated, you can't practise those rituals. As Wicca is defined by its rituals, it follows that unless you have been initiated, you are not a Wiccan.

The Book of Shadows is copied from your teacher's book, in your own hand of writ. None but another Wiccan should have access to that book. Other witches can have a "book of shadows", but it won't be a Wiccan book of shadows.

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but i choose to be solitary for the most part is that i cannot tend coven gatherings all the time from my schooling, and i can not be around alot of people all the time because i clash with time alot. so i usually only attend to the eight holidays for a coven ritual.

What tradition is your coven? Who is your High Priestess?