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[Violet Song jat Shariff]

Medication Deadication

Scubas_girl

this is the definition i got from dictionary.com. Im not really good at explaining it.


–noun
1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks.
2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
3. an irreligious or hedonistic person.
–adjective
4. pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim.
5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of pagans.
6. irreligious or hedonistic.

That definition doesn't really give a very good idea does it? The pagan path is less about religion (religion conjures images of controlled worship).

Well, for one there's no such thing as "the" Pagan path. That's like saying "the Abrahamic path." You're still left going "...okay, which one?" There are so many different Pagan faiths out there, and none of them exactly like the other. The only thing they all have in common is that they don't worship YHVH.
Pagan faiths are very much so religions, whether you like the conjured image or not.

Quote:

On my calendar (Gwydions Moon Calendar) it says "Our Pagan Heritage is an adaptive and holistic spiritual cosmology. It is founded on the reality (and responsibilities) of our role as part of living nature. It is not a religion dependant on 'faith' in a #set of beliefs'".

I much prefer that definition.

See, there's that ambiguous "Our Pagan heritage..." thing. Which Pagan heritage?

I don't care for that definition. I feel that it tries to play too heavily on the "big bad ebil krischuns! u dont wana wurship lyk dem!" card. What is wrong exactly with having a set of beliefs and faith? Those are two very important things in terms of having a faith. They are by no means limited to Christianity, or any other faith that one perceives as big, bad, and mean.
And, not every Pagan faith falls all over itself worshiping nature. My path (Asatru) is not really nature-based. Nature is honored, yes, but it is not the focus. Honoring the gods and the ancestors is the focus of my path.

[Luna_Tuna_Bear]

i understand what your saying. and im sure everyone else understands that too.



but i have a question for you ,Violet Song jat Shariff, or anyone else.

does my last post make sense?? i hope it does sweatdrop

[windy_angel141]

Scubas_girl

wind..

well, i believe that it has a spirit, because it would be the element of air.
Im not conected to it well, im conected more with fire and earth.


(I know that i said earlier that i didn't think that rocks have spirits. I feel the same way about the air as i do the earth. its confusing. i think that there are earth spirits, and they just reside in the rocks and earth, but that doesn't make them alive. the same with the wind. the air spirits live in the wind, but the wind is not alive, make sense? same goes for water and fire)

I actually consider wind as the spirit and air as the body...

[Luna_Tuna_Bear]

windy_angel141

Scubas_girl

wind..

well, i believe that it has a spirit, because it would be the element of air.
Im not conected to it well, im conected more with fire and earth.


(I know that i said earlier that i didn't think that rocks have spirits. I feel the same way about the air as i do the earth. its confusing. i think that there are earth spirits, and they just reside in the rocks and earth, but that doesn't make them alive. the same with the wind. the air spirits live in the wind, but the wind is not alive, make sense? same goes for water and fire)

I actually consider wind as the spirit and air as the body...

interesting, is wind the only element that you feel this way towards?

also, do you believe in the Christian God? (im sorry, i dont know how to spell the "A" word xD)
just wondering.

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

Scubas_girl

wind..

well, i believe that it has a spirit, because it would be the element of air.
Im not conected to it well, im conected more with fire and earth.


(I know that i said earlier that i didn't think that rocks have spirits. I feel the same way about the air as i do the earth. its confusing. i think that there are earth spirits, and they just reside in the rocks and earth, but that doesn't make them alive. the same with the wind. the air spirits live in the wind, but the wind is not alive, make sense? same goes for water and fire)

I think I understand what you're saying.
Using the rock example, they are part of a larger, "living" thing...but are not alive/do not possess a spirit themselves, right?

[Luna_Tuna_Bear]

Violet Song jat Shariff

Scubas_girl

wind..

well, i believe that it has a spirit, because it would be the element of air.
Im not conected to it well, im conected more with fire and earth.


(I know that i said earlier that i didn't think that rocks have spirits. I feel the same way about the air as i do the earth. its confusing. i think that there are earth spirits, and they just reside in the rocks and earth, but that doesn't make them alive. the same with the wind. the air spirits live in the wind, but the wind is not alive, make sense? same goes for water and fire)

I think I understand what you're saying.
Using the rock example, they are part of a larger, "living" thing...but are not alive/do not possess a spirit themselves, right?

eh, kinda
what i believe is:
the sun and moon spirits choose other spirits, one that there bodies have died and they have done good in the world, and those spirits go and reside in rocks, fires, wind, and water. they do not permanently live there, they can go from place to place because, ya know, rocks get destroyed or created, same with fire and so on. (but they do not switch elements).
the spirits that reside in the 4 elements watch over us and take judgment on us. then they send up their judgments to the moon and sun spirits when we die and they decide what happens to us when we die.



sorry for the long explanation.

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

Scubas_girl

Violet Song jat Shariff

Scubas_girl

wind..

well, i believe that it has a spirit, because it would be the element of air.
Im not conected to it well, im conected more with fire and earth.


(I know that i said earlier that i didn't think that rocks have spirits. I feel the same way about the air as i do the earth. its confusing. i think that there are earth spirits, and they just reside in the rocks and earth, but that doesn't make them alive. the same with the wind. the air spirits live in the wind, but the wind is not alive, make sense? same goes for water and fire)

I think I understand what you're saying.
Using the rock example, they are part of a larger, "living" thing...but are not alive/do not possess a spirit themselves, right?

eh, kinda
what i believe is:
the sun and moon spirits choose other spirits, one that there bodies have died and they have done good in the world, and those spirits go and reside in rocks, fires, wind, and water. they do not permanently live there, they can go from place to place because, ya know, rocks get destroyed or created, same with fire and so on. (but they do not switch elements).
the spirits that reside in the 4 elements watch over us and take judgment on us. then they send up their judgments to the moon and sun spirits when we die and they decide what happens to us when we die.



sorry for the long explanation.

No it's okay; the long explanation just told us exactly what you believe! And that's very helpful 3nodding .

If one isn't drawn back to this world to reside in an element, where do they go?
So the elements act as sort of demi-gods?

[Luna_Tuna_Bear]

Violet Song jat Shariff

Scubas_girl

Violet Song jat Shariff

Scubas_girl

wind..

well, i believe that it has a spirit, because it would be the element of air.
Im not conected to it well, im conected more with fire and earth.


(I know that i said earlier that i didn't think that rocks have spirits. I feel the same way about the air as i do the earth. its confusing. i think that there are earth spirits, and they just reside in the rocks and earth, but that doesn't make them alive. the same with the wind. the air spirits live in the wind, but the wind is not alive, make sense? same goes for water and fire)

I think I understand what you're saying.
Using the rock example, they are part of a larger, "living" thing...but are not alive/do not possess a spirit themselves, right?

eh, kinda
what i believe is:
the sun and moon spirits choose other spirits, one that there bodies have died and they have done good in the world, and those spirits go and reside in rocks, fires, wind, and water. they do not permanently live there, they can go from place to place because, ya know, rocks get destroyed or created, same with fire and so on. (but they do not switch elements).
the spirits that reside in the 4 elements watch over us and take judgment on us. then they send up their judgments to the moon and sun spirits when we die and they decide what happens to us when we die.



sorry for the long explanation.

No it's okay; the long explanation just told us exactly what you believe! And that's very helpful 3nodding .

If one isn't drawn back to this world to reside in an element, where do they go?
So the elements act as sort of demi-gods?

yeah, they sorta do.
That is where its hard for me to expain, because i believe in many different things.
you could be reincarnated into a person or animal (now, just because you get reincarnated into an animal does not mean that you were a bad person. I would love to be reincarnated into a German Shepard when i die)
If you are a good person, they either send you back as an element (per-say), if you were a good person but do not want to be an element, they will grant you what you wish. you could walk the earth with the living, or be reincarnated.
if you are bad: I believe that there is a place where the bad souls go. Well, people usually call it Hell. you go there when the moon and sun spirits believe that you dont deserve another chance at life. There may be other things that happen to the bad souls, but i dont know. I just try and focus on being a good person.


does that make sense??

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

Scubas_girl

Violet Song jat Shariff

Scubas_girl

Violet Song jat Shariff

Scubas_girl

wind..

well, i believe that it has a spirit, because it would be the element of air.
Im not conected to it well, im conected more with fire and earth.


(I know that i said earlier that i didn't think that rocks have spirits. I feel the same way about the air as i do the earth. its confusing. i think that there are earth spirits, and they just reside in the rocks and earth, but that doesn't make them alive. the same with the wind. the air spirits live in the wind, but the wind is not alive, make sense? same goes for water and fire)

I think I understand what you're saying.
Using the rock example, they are part of a larger, "living" thing...but are not alive/do not possess a spirit themselves, right?

eh, kinda
what i believe is:
the sun and moon spirits choose other spirits, one that there bodies have died and they have done good in the world, and those spirits go and reside in rocks, fires, wind, and water. they do not permanently live there, they can go from place to place because, ya know, rocks get destroyed or created, same with fire and so on. (but they do not switch elements).
the spirits that reside in the 4 elements watch over us and take judgment on us. then they send up their judgments to the moon and sun spirits when we die and they decide what happens to us when we die.



sorry for the long explanation.

No it's okay; the long explanation just told us exactly what you believe! And that's very helpful 3nodding .

If one isn't drawn back to this world to reside in an element, where do they go?
So the elements act as sort of demi-gods?

yeah, they sorta do.
That is where its hard for me to expain, because i believe in many different things.
you could be reincarnated into a person or animal (now, just because you get reincarnated into an animal does not mean that you were a bad person. I would love to be reincarnated into a German Shepard when i die)
If you are a good person, they either send you back as an element (per-say), if you were a good person but do not want to be an element, they will grant you what you wish. you could walk the earth with the living, or be reincarnated.
if you are bad: I believe that there is a place where the bad souls go. Well, people usually call it Hell. you go there when the moon and sun spirits believe that you dont deserve another chance at life. There may be other things that happen to the bad souls, but i dont know. I just try and focus on being a good person.


does that make sense??

-nod- In a way smile
What experiences or reading led you to form these beliefs?

[curlylexis]

ok

[Luna_Tuna_Bear]

Violet Song jat Shariff

Scubas_girl

Violet Song jat Shariff

Scubas_girl

Violet Song jat Shariff

Scubas_girl

wind..

well, i believe that it has a spirit, because it would be the element of air.
Im not conected to it well, im conected more with fire and earth.


(I know that i said earlier that i didn't think that rocks have spirits. I feel the same way about the air as i do the earth. its confusing. i think that there are earth spirits, and they just reside in the rocks and earth, but that doesn't make them alive. the same with the wind. the air spirits live in the wind, but the wind is not alive, make sense? same goes for water and fire)

I think I understand what you're saying.
Using the rock example, they are part of a larger, "living" thing...but are not alive/do not possess a spirit themselves, right?

eh, kinda
what i believe is:
the sun and moon spirits choose other spirits, one that there bodies have died and they have done good in the world, and those spirits go and reside in rocks, fires, wind, and water. they do not permanently live there, they can go from place to place because, ya know, rocks get destroyed or created, same with fire and so on. (but they do not switch elements).
the spirits that reside in the 4 elements watch over us and take judgment on us. then they send up their judgments to the moon and sun spirits when we die and they decide what happens to us when we die.



sorry for the long explanation.

No it's okay; the long explanation just told us exactly what you believe! And that's very helpful 3nodding .

If one isn't drawn back to this world to reside in an element, where do they go?
So the elements act as sort of demi-gods?

yeah, they sorta do.
That is where its hard for me to expain, because i believe in many different things.
you could be reincarnated into a person or animal (now, just because you get reincarnated into an animal does not mean that you were a bad person. I would love to be reincarnated into a German Shepard when i die)
If you are a good person, they either send you back as an element (per-say), if you were a good person but do not want to be an element, they will grant you what you wish. you could walk the earth with the living, or be reincarnated.
if you are bad: I believe that there is a place where the bad souls go. Well, people usually call it Hell. you go there when the moon and sun spirits believe that you dont deserve another chance at life. There may be other things that happen to the bad souls, but i dont know. I just try and focus on being a good person.


does that make sense??

-nod- In a way smile
What experiences or reading led you to form these beliefs?

none, actually. its wierd, these things came to me in dreams and when i would meditate.

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

Scubas_girl

Violet Song jat Shariff

-nod- In a way smile
What experiences or reading led you to form these beliefs?

none, actually. its weird, these things came to me in dreams and when i would meditate.

Well the meditation counts as an experience wink .

On the subject of judging the good from the bad...what counts as good to the deities? And bad?

Do the elements or the deities require honoring? Or both? What kind of rituals do you use to honor them?

[Luna_Tuna_Bear]

Violet Song jat Shariff

Scubas_girl

Violet Song jat Shariff

-nod- In a way smile
What experiences or reading led you to form these beliefs?

none, actually. its weird, these things came to me in dreams and when i would meditate.

Well the meditation counts as an experience wink .

On the subject of judging the good from the bad...what counts as good to the deities? And bad?

Do the elements or the deities require honoring? Or both? What kind of rituals do you use to honor them?

well, i do pray to them, when i eat, like grace.
i wish i knew some rituals that i could do to honor them. I have a spell that i got from reading a book, that honors the moon.

good would be like, just helping someone pick something up, opening doors, donating to charity or an animal rescue. things like that, or you could go bigger

Bad:pick-pocteters, stealing, cheating, adultry, murder, rape. things like that.
General good or bad things. And i do think that 1 bad thing can out weigh another (my aunt, who is a christian, says that all crimes are the same. I highly disagree, because i was the victom of rape. i dont see how the equals to stealing, or cheating on a test or something)
did that anwser your question?

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

Scubas_girl

Violet Song jat Shariff

Scubas_girl

Violet Song jat Shariff

-nod- In a way smile
What experiences or reading led you to form these beliefs?

none, actually. its weird, these things came to me in dreams and when i would meditate.

Well the meditation counts as an experience wink .

On the subject of judging the good from the bad...what counts as good to the deities? And bad?

Do the elements or the deities require honoring? Or both? What kind of rituals do you use to honor them?

well, i do pray to them, when i eat, like grace.
i wish i knew some rituals that i could do to honor them. I have a spell that i got from reading a book, that honors the moon.

Oh fun; what book?
When you meditate or pray, you might try asking the deities and elements how they would like to be worshiped. If they prefer you do something for them or refrain from doing something. When in doubt, just ask, ya know?

Quote:

good would be like, just helping someone pick something up, opening doors, donating to charity or an animal rescue. things like that, or you could go bigger

Bad:pick-pocteters, stealing, cheating, adultry, murder, rape. things like that.
General good or bad things. And i do think that 1 bad thing can out weigh another (my aunt, who is a christian, says that all crimes are the same. I highly disagree, because i was the victom of rape. i dont see how the equals to stealing, or cheating on a test or something)
did that anwser your question?

Yup that makes sense smile
Sorry so many questions; I'm not trying to be rude and pick things apart wink .

[Luna_Tuna_Bear]

oh, okay, that makes sense xD
i'll have to try it tonight.


and I dont mind at all!! it actually feels good to tell people what my beliefs are xD