New Gamers have no skill

[Bubsy]

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

I'm going to attempt even asking this no matter how stupid it is....

Raven, what IS a HARD game to you? What would make it hard?

Or maybe are you just playing all the easy games? o.o

A hard game would be something that is difficult to complete.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Proving something is definitively hard is where the problem lies, since skill, player, and game all play factors.

There are a lot of those. But, seeing as how you could probably complete them eventually anyway it gets easier as you go. But if it is your first time playing a game then it would be more difficult and as you go it would get easier.


P.S. I will read posts when I get back, I am going to the store.

If there are a lot of those, then how come nobody's named one that is definitively hard in the 15 pages of the thread?

I dont know. It depends on the player. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a bit hard to me in some ways, that doesn't mean it will be hard to you. A hard game just depends on the player. We could sit here and list off tons of games but that doesn't mean any of them would be the game title you are looking for.

Exactly.
That's the same thing I've been saying since page 1.
I don't know why people are arguing it without providing proof.

Let me show you picture of my blistered thumbs and the bite marks on my Controller!

[Heir Kaiba]

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

I'm going to attempt even asking this no matter how stupid it is....

Raven, what IS a HARD game to you? What would make it hard?

Or maybe are you just playing all the easy games? o.o

A hard game would be something that is difficult to complete.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Proving something is definitively hard is where the problem lies, since skill, player, and game all play factors.

There are a lot of those. But, seeing as how you could probably complete them eventually anyway it gets easier as you go. But if it is your first time playing a game then it would be more difficult and as you go it would get easier.


P.S. I will read posts when I get back, I am going to the store.

If there are a lot of those, then how come nobody's named one that is definitively hard in the 15 pages of the thread?

I dont know. It depends on the player. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a bit hard to me in some ways, that doesn't mean it will be hard to you. A hard game just depends on the player. We could sit here and list off tons of games but that doesn't mean any of them would be the game title you are looking for.

Exactly.
That's the same thing I've been saying since page 1.
I don't know why people are arguing it without providing proof.

Uh lies, you take someone who actually knows what the hell they are doing in Mortal Kombat and compare to someone who doesn't know and then come back to me.

[Raven Incognito]

Bubsy

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Bubsy

Exact ally.

Because if you don't know how to speak German it will be harder for Germans to understand you Universally.

Who said anything about understanding me?
You're saying that it would be harder for them to speak German, be it to me, themselves, or each other.

I would be the last to say this but.. its obvious to see that besides all my looping around you would rather respond above all else.

Just giving you chances to make sense rather than horrible arguments.

I wasn't arguing, I was messing with you. Sorry, now I feel guilty.

So... trolling?

>.>

[P e m o -The- P a n d a]

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

I'm going to attempt even asking this no matter how stupid it is....

Raven, what IS a HARD game to you? What would make it hard?

Or maybe are you just playing all the easy games? o.o

A hard game would be something that is difficult to complete.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Proving something is definitively hard is where the problem lies, since skill, player, and game all play factors.

There are a lot of those. But, seeing as how you could probably complete them eventually anyway it gets easier as you go. But if it is your first time playing a game then it would be more difficult and as you go it would get easier.


P.S. I will read posts when I get back, I am going to the store.

If there are a lot of those, then how come nobody's named one that is definitively hard in the 15 pages of the thread?

I dont know. It depends on the player. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a bit hard to me in some ways, that doesn't mean it will be hard to you. A hard game just depends on the player. We could sit here and list off tons of games but that doesn't mean any of them would be the game title you are looking for.

Exactly.
That's the same thing I've been saying since page 1.
I don't know why people are arguing it without providing proof.

You dont have to accept my apology, but I am sorry for the argument earlier. I kinda stepped in where maybe I shouldn't have? So, I am sorry for arguing with you with a useless argument -.-

[Bubsy]

Raven Incognito

Bubsy

Raven Incognito

Bubsy

Raven Incognito

Who said anything about understanding me?
You're saying that it would be harder for them to speak German, be it to me, themselves, or each other.

I would be the last to say this but.. its obvious to see that besides all my looping around you would rather respond above all else.

Just giving you chances to make sense rather than horrible arguments.

I wasn't arguing, I was messing with you. Sorry, now I feel guilty.

So... trolling?

>.>

redface

[Raven Incognito]

Heir Kaiba

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

There are a lot of those. But, seeing as how you could probably complete them eventually anyway it gets easier as you go. But if it is your first time playing a game then it would be more difficult and as you go it would get easier.


P.S. I will read posts when I get back, I am going to the store.

If there are a lot of those, then how come nobody's named one that is definitively hard in the 15 pages of the thread?

I dont know. It depends on the player. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a bit hard to me in some ways, that doesn't mean it will be hard to you. A hard game just depends on the player. We could sit here and list off tons of games but that doesn't mean any of them would be the game title you are looking for.

Exactly.
That's the same thing I've been saying since page 1.
I don't know why people are arguing it without providing proof.

Uh lies, you take someone who actually knows what the hell they are doing in Mortal Kombat and compare to someone who doesn't know and then come back to me.

....
What would that prove? That the person who knows what they're doing would have an easier time than the person who doesn't.
Which means that the game isn't definitely hard.
Which is what I've been saying.

[P e m o -The- P a n d a]

Heir Kaiba

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

There are a lot of those. But, seeing as how you could probably complete them eventually anyway it gets easier as you go. But if it is your first time playing a game then it would be more difficult and as you go it would get easier.


P.S. I will read posts when I get back, I am going to the store.

If there are a lot of those, then how come nobody's named one that is definitively hard in the 15 pages of the thread?

I dont know. It depends on the player. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a bit hard to me in some ways, that doesn't mean it will be hard to you. A hard game just depends on the player. We could sit here and list off tons of games but that doesn't mean any of them would be the game title you are looking for.

Exactly.
That's the same thing I've been saying since page 1.
I don't know why people are arguing it without providing proof.

Uh lies, you take someone who actually knows what the hell they are doing in Mortal Kombat and compare to someone who doesn't know and then come back to me.

I thought we established that skill made a difference? And it would be kinda unfair to have someone with lots of skill in the game against someone with no skill whatsoever. there is also a difference playing a game against AI and playing against a real person...

[Raven Incognito]

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

There are a lot of those. But, seeing as how you could probably complete them eventually anyway it gets easier as you go. But if it is your first time playing a game then it would be more difficult and as you go it would get easier.


P.S. I will read posts when I get back, I am going to the store.

If there are a lot of those, then how come nobody's named one that is definitively hard in the 15 pages of the thread?

I dont know. It depends on the player. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a bit hard to me in some ways, that doesn't mean it will be hard to you. A hard game just depends on the player. We could sit here and list off tons of games but that doesn't mean any of them would be the game title you are looking for.

Exactly.
That's the same thing I've been saying since page 1.
I don't know why people are arguing it without providing proof.

You dont have to accept my apology, but I am sorry for the argument earlier. I kinda stepped in where maybe I shouldn't have? So, I am sorry for arguing with you with a useless argument -.-

Apology not accepted.
Why?
You don't need to apologize. You didn't do anything wrong. It's your prerogative to argue.

[Bubsy]

Raven Incognito

Heir Kaiba

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

There are a lot of those. But, seeing as how you could probably complete them eventually anyway it gets easier as you go. But if it is your first time playing a game then it would be more difficult and as you go it would get easier.


P.S. I will read posts when I get back, I am going to the store.

If there are a lot of those, then how come nobody's named one that is definitively hard in the 15 pages of the thread?

I dont know. It depends on the player. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a bit hard to me in some ways, that doesn't mean it will be hard to you. A hard game just depends on the player. We could sit here and list off tons of games but that doesn't mean any of them would be the game title you are looking for.

Exactly.
That's the same thing I've been saying since page 1.
I don't know why people are arguing it without providing proof.

Uh lies, you take someone who actually knows what the hell they are doing in Mortal Kombat and compare to someone who doesn't know and then come back to me.

....
What would that prove? That the person who knows what they're doing would have an easier time than the person who doesn't.
Which means that the game isn't definitely hard.
Which is what I've been saying.

I think the phrase is, all games can be Hard.

[P e m o -The- P a n d a]

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

There are a lot of those. But, seeing as how you could probably complete them eventually anyway it gets easier as you go. But if it is your first time playing a game then it would be more difficult and as you go it would get easier.


P.S. I will read posts when I get back, I am going to the store.

If there are a lot of those, then how come nobody's named one that is definitively hard in the 15 pages of the thread?

I dont know. It depends on the player. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a bit hard to me in some ways, that doesn't mean it will be hard to you. A hard game just depends on the player. We could sit here and list off tons of games but that doesn't mean any of them would be the game title you are looking for.

Exactly.
That's the same thing I've been saying since page 1.
I don't know why people are arguing it without providing proof.

You dont have to accept my apology, but I am sorry for the argument earlier. I kinda stepped in where maybe I shouldn't have? So, I am sorry for arguing with you with a useless argument -.-

Apology not accepted.
Why?
You don't need to apologize. You didn't do anything wrong. It's your prerogative to argue.

well, I am sorry anyway because I stepped in where I shouldn't have. and I could have stated my point without arguing?

[Heir Kaiba]

Raven Incognito

Heir Kaiba

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

There are a lot of those. But, seeing as how you could probably complete them eventually anyway it gets easier as you go. But if it is your first time playing a game then it would be more difficult and as you go it would get easier.


P.S. I will read posts when I get back, I am going to the store.

If there are a lot of those, then how come nobody's named one that is definitively hard in the 15 pages of the thread?

I dont know. It depends on the player. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a bit hard to me in some ways, that doesn't mean it will be hard to you. A hard game just depends on the player. We could sit here and list off tons of games but that doesn't mean any of them would be the game title you are looking for.

Exactly.
That's the same thing I've been saying since page 1.
I don't know why people are arguing it without providing proof.

Uh lies, you take someone who actually knows what the hell they are doing in Mortal Kombat and compare to someone who doesn't know and then come back to me.

....
What would that prove? That the person who knows what they're doing would have an easier time than the person who doesn't.
Which means that the game isn't definitely hard.
Which is what I've been saying.

Well if you take a fighting game like VF 5. The game is already set at a large learning curve where you can't button mash.

Mostly all fighters are easy enough to use one combo every single time until the last boss but fighting games require the most skill.

Most other games require memorization. However in a fighting memorizing combos just isn't enough you have to know what the hell you are doing.

Only VF 5 is the truly hard game in this discussion.

[Heir Kaiba]

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Heir Kaiba

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

Raven Incognito

Sharpii3 Munch3r

There are a lot of those. But, seeing as how you could probably complete them eventually anyway it gets easier as you go. But if it is your first time playing a game then it would be more difficult and as you go it would get easier.


P.S. I will read posts when I get back, I am going to the store.

If there are a lot of those, then how come nobody's named one that is definitively hard in the 15 pages of the thread?

I dont know. It depends on the player. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a bit hard to me in some ways, that doesn't mean it will be hard to you. A hard game just depends on the player. We could sit here and list off tons of games but that doesn't mean any of them would be the game title you are looking for.

Exactly.
That's the same thing I've been saying since page 1.
I don't know why people are arguing it without providing proof.

Uh lies, you take someone who actually knows what the hell they are doing in Mortal Kombat and compare to someone who doesn't know and then come back to me.

I thought we established that skill made a difference? And it would be kinda unfair to have someone with lots of skill in the game against someone with no skill whatsoever. there is also a difference playing a game against AI and playing against a real person...

Depends how the AI is.

Sometimes they'll do only one move or block half of the time.

Fighting games have a really odd learning curve. Unless it's brutal like KoF 2000 or even 98.

[Lyndis Rain]

I can't say that games now are particularly any harder or easier then older games, just some games themselves have always been hard. Now, if it was a question of Japanese versions being harder then American versions, then there's no question. It's just a fact. Mario 2 for example, the Japanese version is completely different from the American version. The Japanese version looks much like the original, except with massive holes between you and the victory flag (just to name something). They thought the game was too hard, so they gutted another game (I think it was called Doki Doki Panic, something like that), and changed the graphics to suit Mario. Now, I haven't played the real Mario 2, but the one I did play was ridiculously easy if you played as a certain person. There's also an "easy type" and "hard type" of Final Fantasy IV (or II if you played it on SNES). The Japanese version is the "hard type" and has stronger enemies. I don't know about the Japanese Mario 2, but I know "hard type" Final Fantasy IV has been released in America since then. Just a couple examples; I've heard of others, but can't think of what they are right now.

Other games were hard no matter what. Pretty much the entire Megaman series beats the crap out of you for hours, maybe days, until you figure out exactly what you have to do to beat a certain boss. Although, some of the more modern Megaman games have been a lot easier (trust me, I've played them all before GBA), but then once they got to Megaman Zero, they were hard as nails again. Certain ones seem to be easier, like Megaman 8, but the whole series in general is pretty tough overall.

Reading your first post (and skipping to the end), I just think all FPS' are pretty easy in general too. I played through Gears of War 2, my first time ever playing a Gears game, and died maybe... six times throughout the entire play through on the normal difficulty. It's not really all that difficult.

For the really hard games, you'll be looking at the old arcade games. Games like Contra, Mario, any scrolling shooter, Metal Slug, pretty much anything with the one-hit-your-dead gameplay. They're designed to be harder so you'll give them more money to get more credits to die again. Even then, all those games get really easy once you know what to do in them.

Wow x.x ended up longer then I planned. Summary: certain series may be hard, but they've always been hard, but games overall don't seem to be getting any easier.

[Blaze the Fire Dragon]

In other words you think you're better than anyone not born during the high point of the NES and Sega. Get over yourself.

[Regal Reprobation]

Lyndis Rain

I can't say that games now are particularly any harder or easier then older games, just some games themselves have always been hard. Now, if it was a question of Japanese versions being harder then American versions, then there's no question. It's just a fact. Mario 2 for example, the Japanese version is completely different from the American version. The Japanese version looks much like the original, except with massive holes between you and the victory flag (just to name something). They thought the game was too hard, so they gutted another game (I think it was called Doki Doki Panic, something like that), and changed the graphics to suit Mario. Now, I haven't played the real Mario 2, but the one I did play was ridiculously easy if you played as a certain person. There's also an "easy type" and "hard type" of Final Fantasy IV (or II if you played it on SNES). The Japanese version is the "hard type" and has stronger enemies. I don't know about the Japanese Mario 2, but I know "hard type" Final Fantasy IV has been released in America since then. Just a couple examples; I've heard of others, but can't think of what they are right now.

Other games were hard no matter what. Pretty much the entire Megaman series beats the crap out of you for hours, maybe days, until you figure out exactly what you have to do to beat a certain boss. Although, some of the more modern Megaman games have been a lot easier (trust me, I've played them all before GBA), but then once they got to Megaman Zero, they were hard as nails again. Certain ones seem to be easier, like Megaman 8, but the whole series in general is pretty tough overall.

Reading your first post (and skipping to the end), I just think all FPS' are pretty easy in general too. I played through Gears of War 2, my first time ever playing a Gears game, and died maybe... six times throughout the entire play through on the normal difficulty. It's not really all that difficult.

For the really hard games, you'll be looking at the old arcade games. Games like Contra, Mario, any scrolling shooter, Metal Slug, pretty much anything with the one-hit-your-dead gameplay. They're designed to be harder so you'll give them more money to get more credits to die again. Even then, all those games get really easy once you know what to do in them.

Wow x.x ended up longer then I planned. Summary: certain series may be hard, but they've always been hard, but games overall don't seem to be getting any easier.

Well doesn't that sound familiar...