how many people actually BELIEVE in God,and trust in him?

[Hurricane_Scrambles]

Heartfout

I don't.

People say if I look, I'll find him.

So far, the evidence suggests these people are wrong.

I must agree with Heartfout. This, and other reasons. There is no god, I can give you some of my reasons for this belief if you wish.

[Asevenex]

fatal_GRACE

Asevenex

sakura-haruno77777

no one really knows when the world will end, but in the Bible it says in Matthew 24:6-8: "And you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." also it shows us signs of the coming again of the Lord

This verse wouldn't happen to refer to the war in Iraq, would it?

That verse has been used as proof of the end times for every war, plague, and natural disaster ever since it was written. The nice thing about prophesying turmoil is that there WILL ALWAYS BE TURMOIL.

Dunamis - I don't think that being a believer somehow makes things better for you if the world ends. Generally (not always), if someone chooses not to believe in God or an afterlife, then they have accepted that there is no God or afterlife, and it won't bother them any more than it would a believer.

IMO, I'd rather rely on Revelations more than any other book when it comes to prophesizing.

[sakura-haruno77777]

i no that i cant make up peoples minds for them, but i'm gonna try to save as many people i can by showing them what God can do. i want people to live in paradise when they die, i dont want them to burn in hell. i hate to see people suffer.

[sakura-haruno77777]

SomeKid93

Heartfout

I don't.

People say if I look, I'll find him.

So far, the evidence suggests these people are wrong.

I must agree with Heartfout. This, and other reasons. There is no god, I can give you some of my reasons for this belief if you wish.

fine, try me

[OneWithDunamis]

I think we have to acknowledge the fact that God doesn't love everyone to the same degree. It'll be like saying I'm not real because I won't talk to you. Not true.

[MemoriesThatKill]

Fact: No one KNOWS if they are going to heaven because...

Fact: no one KNOWS what happens after they die.

[sakura-haruno77777]

OneWithDunamis

I think we have to acknowledge the fact that God doesn't love everyone to the same degree. It'll be like saying I'm not real because I won't talk to you. Not true.

but He does love every one. He created us, and He loves what He's created.

[Hurricane_Scrambles]

sakura-haruno77777

i no that i cant make up peoples minds for them, but i'm gonna try to save as many people i can by showing them what God can do. i want people to live in paradise when they die, i dont want them to burn in hell. i hate to see people suffer.

Wooow. I'd say reason numuro uno right here.

[I got bored one day]

MemoriesThatKill

Fact: No one KNOWS if they are going to heaven because...

Fact: no one KNOWS what happens after they die.

I believe you rot. I know this. I've seen in a book, once. It's a process called "decomposition".

[Djavlepik]

OneWithDunamis

fatal_GRACE

Asevenex

sakura-haruno77777

no one really knows when the world will end, but in the Bible it says in Matthew 24:6-8: "And you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." also it shows us signs of the coming again of the Lord

This verse wouldn't happen to refer to the war in Iraq, would it?

That verse has been used as proof of the end times for every war, plague, and natural disaster ever since it was written. The nice thing about prophesying turmoil is that there WILL ALWAYS BE TURMOIL.

Dunamis - I don't think that being a believer somehow makes things better for you if the world ends. Generally (not always), if someone chooses not to believe in God or an afterlife, then they have accepted that there is no God or afterlife, and it won't bother them any more than it would a believer.

Not in this lifetime, no. But if God is a real and His rules apply to all, then those who burn in hell for not believing, or not knowing to believe, will not be happy. Having said that, by my current views on life, I'm probably heading down there, too.

Thank you for bringing up the best argument against the God of organized religion EVER!

If there is a God, and he is wise and merciful and blah blah blah, then he won't give a ******** what you believe. You'll go to heaven for being good, and to hell for being bad. I especially like the part about how even those who do not even KNOW to believe go to hell FOR ALL ETERNITY.

The way I see it, if God exists (which I do not believe to be the case), then it is a moot point. If he does exist, and actually operates by the rules of basic reasoning, then I'll go to heaven if I'm a good person, and to hell if not. If he operates by crazy religious reasoning, then I'd rather go to hell than get to heaven on what amounts to little more than a goddamn technicality.

OneWithDunamis

I think we have to acknowledge the fact that God doesn't love everyone to the same degree. It'll be like saying I'm not real because I won't talk to you. Not true.

Another logical fallacy. You can't say God loves us all, created love in fact, and is a being of INFINITE love, then go on to say he loves you more because you happen to be a part of the religion that prays to him juuuuust right.

[sakura-haruno77777]

SomeKid93

sakura-haruno77777

i no that i cant make up peoples minds for them, but i'm gonna try to save as many people i can by showing them what God can do. i want people to live in paradise when they die, i dont want them to burn in hell. i hate to see people suffer.

Wooow. I'd say reason numuro uno right here.

what do u mean?

[OneWithDunamis]

fatal_GRACE

OneWithDunamis

fatal_GRACE

Asevenex

sakura-haruno77777

no one really knows when the world will end, but in the Bible it says in Matthew 24:6-8: "And you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." also it shows us signs of the coming again of the Lord

This verse wouldn't happen to refer to the war in Iraq, would it?

That verse has been used as proof of the end times for every war, plague, and natural disaster ever since it was written. The nice thing about prophesying turmoil is that there WILL ALWAYS BE TURMOIL.

Dunamis - I don't think that being a believer somehow makes things better for you if the world ends. Generally (not always), if someone chooses not to believe in God or an afterlife, then they have accepted that there is no God or afterlife, and it won't bother them any more than it would a believer.

Not in this lifetime, no. But if God is a real and His rules apply to all, then those who burn in hell for not believing, or not knowing to believe, will not be happy. Having said that, by my current views on life, I'm probably heading down there, too.

Thank you for bringing up the best argument against the God of organized religion EVER!

If there is a God, and he is wise and merciful and blah blah blah, then he won't give a ******** what you believe. You'll go to heaven for being good, and to hell for being bad. I especially like the part about how even those who do not even KNOW to believe go to hell FOR ALL ETERNITY.

The way I see it, if God exists (which I do not believe to be the case), then it is a moot point. If he does exist, and actually operates by the rules of basic reasoning, then I'll go to heaven if I'm a good person, and to hell if not. If he operates by crazy religious reasoning, then I'd rather go to hell than get to heaven on what amounts to little more than a goddamn technicality.

The way I interpret this idea is that He won't let anyone come to His party uninvited. If you don't respect the host you ain't getting in.

And I don't think He's completely merciful, in the sense that He chooses not to save everyone.

And before anyone starts bashing me or Christianity for what I say, I'd like to point out that I'm not a Christian.

[I got bored one day]

fatal_GRACE

Thank you for bringing up the best argument against the God of organized religion EVER!

If there is a God, and he is wise and merciful and blah blah blah, then he won't give a ******** what you believe.

To put this in simple perspective of real life if your parents are wise and merciful on you they won't care if you turn on them, if you stab them, and if you outright defame their names driving them underground and ruin their reputation. Why would they be angry?
Be sure to give your mom a good slap for me, see how she accepts it, or is your retort the simple "my mom isn't god!?" argument?

The thing is, when brought down to earth, just in most basic of situations, you sound foolish.

[OneWithDunamis]

fatal_GRACE

Another logical fallacy. You can't say God loves us all, created love in fact, and is a being of INFINITE love, then go on to say he loves you more because you happen to be a part of the religion that prays to him juuuuust right.

Don't forget the part that He's wrathful as well. And that's not a contradiction. I can love and hate as much as I want myself. So can He.

And I would say He doesn't love me more BECAUSE I'm part of a religion. It's the other way around. If He never loved me I wouldn't be a part of His religion. I go by Calvinist theology if I had to choose a Christian theology to go by.

[I got bored one day]

OneWithDunamis

The way I interpret this idea is that He won't let anyone come to His party uninvited. If you don't respect the host you ain't getting in.

And I don't think He's completely merciful, in the sense that He chooses not to save everyone.

And before anyone starts bashing me or Christianity for what I say, I'd like to point out that I'm not a Christian.

What if God made you responsible for your own salvation? What if we're not powerless, and we stop sitting with our thumbs up our butts waiting for God to fix everything? Progress was never made just waiting around.