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If horses are being killed for human consumption or other use, then it's an unnecessary taking of sentient life, which no, I do not believe to be right.
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Eeyore Goldsworth If horses are being killed for human consumption or other use, then it's an unnecessary taking of sentient life, which no, I do not believe to be right. "Sentient"? As in? Was the pig I ate in my smothered pork chops last night "sentient"? Or was it just another stupid animal, which is completely expendable? |
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black_wing_angel Eeyore Goldsworth If horses are being killed for human consumption or other use, then it's an unnecessary taking of sentient life, which no, I do not believe to be right. "Sentient"? As in? Was the pig I ate in my smothered pork chops last night "sentient"? Or was it just another stupid animal, which is completely expendable? XD I'm with you there brother. Pork is one of my favorite things, period. This issue we have with slaughtering certain animals is a product of our culture, nothing more. Why let the horses waste away when they're no longer good for anything else, when you could have them slaughtered instead. Which speaking of pork, as much as I love it, I love pigs too. They're so cute, I've been planning for a while to get a pet pig once I move. |
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Sanguinus Angelus black_wing_angel Eeyore Goldsworth If horses are being killed for human consumption or other use, then it's an unnecessary taking of sentient life, which no, I do not believe to be right. "Sentient"? As in? Was the pig I ate in my smothered pork chops last night "sentient"? Or was it just another stupid animal, which is completely expendable? XD I'm with you there brother. Pork is one of my favorite things, period. This issue we have with slaughtering certain animals is a product of our culture, nothing more. Why let the horses waste away when they're no longer good for anything else, when you could have them slaughtered instead. Which speaking of pork, as much as I love it, I love pigs too. They're so cute, I've been planning for a while to get a pet pig once I move. I doubt you really want a pig as a pet. I've worked with them, before. Trust me, you will never have a more annoying pet, in your life. |
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black_wing_angel Sanguinus Angelus black_wing_angel Eeyore Goldsworth If horses are being killed for human consumption or other use, then it's an unnecessary taking of sentient life, which no, I do not believe to be right. "Sentient"? As in? Was the pig I ate in my smothered pork chops last night "sentient"? Or was it just another stupid animal, which is completely expendable? XD I'm with you there brother. Pork is one of my favorite things, period. This issue we have with slaughtering certain animals is a product of our culture, nothing more. Why let the horses waste away when they're no longer good for anything else, when you could have them slaughtered instead. Which speaking of pork, as much as I love it, I love pigs too. They're so cute, I've been planning for a while to get a pet pig once I move. I doubt you really want a pig as a pet. I've worked with them, before. Trust me, you will never have a more annoying pet, in your life. Well a friend of mine had one that I loved to death. I've been told it's merely a matter of establishing dominance. Something about pigs and pecking order. |
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Sanguinus Angelus black_wing_angel Sanguinus Angelus black_wing_angel Eeyore Goldsworth If horses are being killed for human consumption or other use, then it's an unnecessary taking of sentient life, which no, I do not believe to be right. "Sentient"? As in? Was the pig I ate in my smothered pork chops last night "sentient"? Or was it just another stupid animal, which is completely expendable? XD I'm with you there brother. Pork is one of my favorite things, period. This issue we have with slaughtering certain animals is a product of our culture, nothing more. Why let the horses waste away when they're no longer good for anything else, when you could have them slaughtered instead. Which speaking of pork, as much as I love it, I love pigs too. They're so cute, I've been planning for a while to get a pet pig once I move. I doubt you really want a pig as a pet. I've worked with them, before. Trust me, you will never have a more annoying pet, in your life. Well a friend of mine had one that I loved to death. I've been told it's merely a matter of establishing dominance. Something about pigs and pecking order. I was more referring to the annoying screeching sound they make when they're displeased. And I would soon tire of the average idle "oinking" that they make, too. But if you can hack it, then by all means... |
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black_wing_angel Eeyore Goldsworth If horses are being killed for human consumption or other use, then it's an unnecessary taking of sentient life, which no, I do not believe to be right. "Sentient"? As in? Was the pig I ate in my smothered pork chops last night "sentient"? Or was it just another stupid animal, which is completely expendable? Sentient as in possessing consciousness. Also, why are animals any more expendable than humans? What difference exists that makes the unnecessary killing of a human wrong, but the unnecessary killing of another species okay? |
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Eeyore Goldsworth black_wing_angel Eeyore Goldsworth If horses are being killed for human consumption or other use, then it's an unnecessary taking of sentient life, which no, I do not believe to be right. "Sentient"? As in? Was the pig I ate in my smothered pork chops last night "sentient"? Or was it just another stupid animal, which is completely expendable? Sentient as in possessing consciousness. Which WOULD include my pork chops. As well as nearly any animal, on Earth. The only exception that comes to mind, being starfish. Quote: Also, why are animals any more expendable than humans? Because we are more evolved. We are above them. The day a pig can walk up to me and ask me how the wife and kids are, is the day I'll stop eating pork. Quote: What difference exists that makes the unnecessary killing of a human wrong, The law. It's ok to kill an animal for food, but blasting your cat, because it was being annoying, will land you in prison. Similar to humans. If you try to enter my home, without my permission, in many places, I can legally blow your a** away. But I can't do it just because it's Friday. Quote: but the unnecessary killing of another species okay? How is killing for food "unnecessary"? Food is necessary, dude. |
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black_wing_angel Which WOULD include my pork chops. As well as nearly any animal, on Earth. The only exception that comes to mind, being starfish. Yes. Quote: Because we are more evolved. We are above them. The day a pig can walk up to me and ask me how the wife and kids are, is the day I'll stop eating pork. More evolved how? And why does being "less evolved" necessarily make a being more expendable? Quote: The law. It's ok to kill an animal for food, but blasting your cat, because it was being annoying, will land you in prison. Similar to humans. If you try to enter my home, without my permission, in many places, I can legally blow your a** away. But I can't do it just because it's Friday. I perhaps should have clarified: I'm speaking ethically, rather than legally. Quote: How is killing for food "unnecessary"? Food is necessary, dude. Yes, it is, but meat isn't a necessary part of the human diet. |
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Eeyore Goldsworth black_wing_angel Which WOULD include my pork chops. As well as nearly any animal, on Earth. The only exception that comes to mind, being starfish. Yes. So you'd rather I remove all meat and meat based products, from my daily diet, right? Well ******** that. My taste buds have spoken, and they want MEAT! Quote: Quote: Because we are more evolved. We are above them. The day a pig can walk up to me and ask me how the wife and kids are, is the day I'll stop eating pork. More evolved how? And why does being "less evolved" necessarily make a being more expendable? Because they're not as well equipped to handle us, as we are, them. You ever seen a deer return fire, on a hunter? Me neither. That's called "natural adaptation". We conquered most of the natural difficulties we've had, in harvesting them, but they never adapted to make it harder. So, we win, and they lose. Quote: Quote: The law. It's ok to kill an animal for food, but blasting your cat, because it was being annoying, will land you in prison. Similar to humans. If you try to enter my home, without my permission, in many places, I can legally blow your a** away. But I can't do it just because it's Friday. I perhaps should have clarified: I'm speaking ethically, rather than legally. Ok. But only one of these actually matters. Here's a hint: "ethics" don't get people put in prison. Laws do. Quote: Quote: How is killing for food "unnecessary"? Food is necessary, dude. Yes, it is, but meat isn't a necessary part of the human diet. Maybe not, Captain Vegan, but my marinaded grilled ribeyes will beat the holy piss out of your salad, any day of the week. |
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black_wing_angel So you'd rather I remove all meat and meat based products, from my daily diet, right? Well ******** that. My taste buds have spoken, and they want MEAT! I like the taste of meat too. I think there are more important things than what is personally enjoyable, though, particularly when so many other foods which are comparably enjoyable (at least, I find them to be so). Quote: Because they're not as well equipped to handle us, as we are, them. You ever seen a deer return fire, on a hunter? Me neither. That's called "natural adaptation". We conquered most of the natural difficulties we've had, in harvesting them, but they never adapted to make it harder. So, we win, and they lose. So, are you saying it's okay to oppress and kill beings who lack the resources or ability to fight back? Quote: Ok. But only one of these actually matters. Here's a hint: "ethics" don't get people put in prison. Laws do. I'm not concerned with current laws, though. My understanding was that this thread was created to discuss the morality, rather than the actuality, of horse slaughter, and by extension, the slaughter of other animals. Quote: Maybe not, Captain Vegan, but my marinaded grilled ribeyes will beat the holy piss out of your salad, any day of the week. My salad is also likely better for me, and less likely to contribute to conditions such as heart disease, and certain cancers. Strength isn't everything. |
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Eeyore Goldsworth black_wing_angel So you'd rather I remove all meat and meat based products, from my daily diet, right? Well ******** that. My taste buds have spoken, and they want MEAT! I like the taste of meat too. I think there are more important things than what is personally enjoyable, though, particularly when so many other foods which are comparably enjoyable (at least, I find them to be so). Then eat all you want. Eat whatever you want. Me? I can't stand the taste of most veggies. Lettuce I can stand, but even that's pushing it. So, I drink my V8 V-Fusion, and eat my meat and potatoes. Quote: Quote: Because they're not as well equipped to handle us, as we are, them. You ever seen a deer return fire, on a hunter? Me neither. That's called "natural adaptation". We conquered most of the natural difficulties we've had, in harvesting them, but they never adapted to make it harder. So, we win, and they lose. So, are you saying it's okay to oppress and kill beings who lack the resources or ability to fight back? Happens in nature, all the time. Like Army Ants. They'll carry away anything that crosses their path. Why? Because their prey are incapable of fighting back. Quote: Quote: Ok. But only one of these actually matters. Here's a hint: "ethics" don't get people put in prison. Laws do. I'm not concerned with current laws, though. My understanding was that this thread was created to discuss the morality, rather than the actuality, of horse slaughter, and by extension, the slaughter of other animals. Ok, but why is it so immoral to slaughter animals for food? You never backed this point up, that I recall. And spare the emotionally charged bullshit. I want logical facts. Quote: Quote: Maybe not, Captain Vegan, but my marinaded grilled ribeyes will beat the holy piss out of your salad, any day of the week. My salad is also likely better for me, and less likely to contribute to conditions such as heart disease, and certain cancers. Strength isn't everything. My beer helps counter the heart disease. And I can get all of the nutrition of your salad, without the disgusting taste. And cancer? Dude, you can get cancer from ******** SUNLIGHT! If you're going to get it, you're going to get it, and eating veggies all your life, won't save you. |
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black_wing_angel Happens in nature, all the time. Like Army Ants. They'll carry away anything that crosses their path. Why? Because their prey are incapable of fighting back. Are you against slavery? Because that's what you're talking about. Blacks in America (and other places, of course) did not have the resources for a long time to fight for their rights. Do you think what happened to them is okay, simply because they couldn't fight back? Quote: Ok, but why is it so immoral to slaughter animals for food? You never backed this point up, that I recall. For the same reason it's illegal to kill humans: you are unnecessarily depriving another sentient organism of life, something that holds intrinsic value and cannot be regained. I can't see a logical moral difference between organisms based on species. That's no different than racism, sexism, or ableism,etc.. They rely on an difference that isn't relevant to the rights/privileges in question. e.g institutionalised racism deprived people of rights based on their appearance, which is logically unrelated to the rights they were denied. In the same way, killing animals denies them the right to life based on the fact they are of another species. How do those two things relate? One might use the argument that animals are of lesser intelligence, etc., but that implies a correlation between intelligence/ability, and the right to life, which is obviously problematic, because it means humans of lesser ability (such as those with some form of mental retardation, for example, or children) must have lessened rights. Quote: My beer helps counter the heart disease. And I can get all of the nutrition of your salad, without the disgusting taste. And cancer? Dude, you can get cancer from ******** SUNLIGHT! If you're going to get it, you're going to get it, and eating veggies all your life, won't save you. How do you get the nutrition in plant-based foods without eating them? I don't think that's a replaceable part of your diet. And while yes, it is certainly possible to get cancer/other diseases despite a healthy diet, are you seriously claiming diet does not affect health? From wiki: Quote: A healthy diet is one that helps maintain or improve health. It is important for the prevention of many chronic health risks such as: obesity, heart disease, diabetes, and cancer.[1] |
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Eeyore Goldsworth black_wing_angel Happens in nature, all the time. Like Army Ants. They'll carry away anything that crosses their path. Why? Because their prey are incapable of fighting back. Are you against slavery? Because that's what you're talking about. Blacks in America (and other places, of course) did not have the resources for a long time to fight for their rights. Do you think what happened to them is okay, simply because they couldn't fight back? Sure. Who wouldn't want someone else to do their job for them, without pay? Quote: Quote: Ok, but why is it so immoral to slaughter animals for food? You never backed this point up, that I recall. For the same reason it's illegal to kill humans: Which it is not. It is illegal to MURDER humans. Some killing of fellow humans, is actually legal. Quote: you are unnecessarily depriving another sentient organism of life, something that holds intrinsic value and cannot be regained. Do you b***h at the sharks that kill people, too? They do the same thing, don't they? Quote: I can't see a logical moral difference between organisms based on species. That's no different than racism, sexism, or ableism,etc. Yes it is. Because THOSE are people. Not lesser animals. You see, "morals" are subjective. That's why we have "laws" which are OBJECTIVE. Incidentally, that's also why laws are the only thing which are important, here. Quote: Quote: My beer helps counter the heart disease. And I can get all of the nutrition of your salad, without the disgusting taste. And cancer? Dude, you can get cancer from ******** SUNLIGHT! If you're going to get it, you're going to get it, and eating veggies all your life, won't save you. How do you get the nutrition in plant-based foods without eating them? When did I say I don't consume veggies? I just don't EAT them. I drink them, with fruit juice, to mask the taste. It's called V8 V-Fusion. Quote: I don't think that's a replaceable part of your diet. Well, I managed to survive for almost 20 years, before I grew any tolerance for "veggies". I seriously did not eat any veggies, during that time frame, aside from potatoes, corn, and green beans. And from what I hear, potatoes and corn aren't even veggies. Quote: And while yes, it is certainly possible to get cancer/other diseases despite a healthy diet, are you seriously claiming diet does not affect health? Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying it's pointless to worry about it, if "cancer" is your only concern. Quote: Quote: A healthy diet is one that helps maintain or improve health. It is important for the prevention of many chronic health risks such as: obesity, heart disease, diabetes, and cancer.[1] Quite aware of that, cheif. Unfortunately, consuming meat, by default, does not negatively affect your health, to my knowledge. |
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black_wing_angel Sure. Who wouldn't want someone else to do their job for them, without pay? Uh, if you think it's okay for humans to oppress and kill other weaker humans, I'm not entirely sure how to argue with you. We seem to missing a common underlying belief that unnecessary suffering is bad, and thus murder, theft, subjugation, assault, etc., are bad. With your reasoning, all those things are morally okay. Quote: Which it is not. It is illegal to MURDER humans. Some killing of fellow humans, is actually legal. That's semantics. I'm not concerned with what the law says, but rather what is ethical. Quote: Do you b***h at the sharks that kill people, too? They do the same thing, don't they? Sharks don't have the moral awareness to know any different. We do. What they do is an instinctive reaction to others being in their territory. What humans do is cause suffering and take life for a completely unnecessary reason. Quote: Yes it is. Because THOSE are people. Not lesser animals. But why does it matter that they're animals? How does that make them logically lesser? Aside from the fact humans can kill and exploit them, because strength is not a moral justification for causing harm. Quote: You see, "morals" are subjective. That's why we have "laws" which are OBJECTIVE Incidentally, that's also why laws are the only thing which are important, here. Objective -adjective 5. not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion. I don't know how you can claim laws always objective. It's people with subjective morals that make laws. Example: Jim Crow laws. No, sorry, I want to discuss whether or not eating meat is ethical, not whether or not the law says it is. You can't simply claim everything the law does is right. Provide me with reasoning as to why I am wrong, other than "the law says". Quote: When did I say I don't consume veggies? I just don't EAT them. I drink them, with fruit juice, to mask the taste. It's called V8 V-Fusion. Alright, I must have mis-read. Quote: Well, I managed to survive for almost 20 years, before I grew any tolerance for "veggies". I seriously did not eat any veggies, during that time frame, aside from potatoes, corn, and green beans. And from what I hear, potatoes and corn aren't even veggies. How are they not veggies? I'm slightly confused by this comment. Quote: Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying it's pointless to worry about it, if "cancer" is your only concern. I don't think I said cancer specifically, but anyway. Quote: Unfortunately, consuming meat, by default, does not negatively affect your health, to my knowledge. No, not to my knowledge. Fair enough. |
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