[ Poll ] Horse Slaughter

What are your views on Horse Slaughter?

For		50.0%	[ 1 ]
Against		0.0%	[ 0 ]
Its cruel and inhumane		0.0%	[ 0 ]
I'm not sure		50.0%	[ 1 ]
Please tell me more, I'm interested in what you know.		0.0%	[ 0 ]

Total Votes: 2

[Sciamancer]

What's the difference between horses and any other barnyard animal?

[Luxxfere]

Sciamancer

What's the difference between horses and any other barnyard animal?

You're absolutely correct. Horses are a livestock animal.
It just raises some kind of reaction in people because horses are owned and treated as "pets". No one wants to willing know their beloved pet might end up at a slaughter house and turned into dog food.
People have taken offense to this because of the horses use in the US. When in fact horses were originally a source of food before there was ever a thought of using them as transportation or to help with agricultural work.

[Luxxfere]

bump heart

[Luxxfere]

bump

[Skeksis]

Wow, the most entertaining aspect of this thread is the people who are coming in here and failing to realise that you are pro-slaughter, OP. Makes me giggle. XD
Anyway, pro-slaughter here, also. Meat is meat and horses were not being treated worse than any other animal that went through that process. The do-gooders didn't improve conditions for horses- they increased their suffering instead.

[sexana]

Against. I love horses.

[Irahatam]

[Metalhead.Psycho]

Irahatam

[Metalhead.Psycho]

I'd like to take over this old topic, which has died.

Horse Slaughter OP,OT

Views, opinions, questions?
If you don't know anything about this, except what you have heard secondhand, or read from petition websites, I encourage you to ask questions before having an opinion.
I'm an Equine Industry/Business major from West Texas A&M. Many of my professors and advisers have been on/ are on Agricultural Boards that discuss these issues at great length and write papers for the legislature to review.

I'm sorry. I can't watch another one of those links without losing my mind.
I hate that this animal has to suffer something as horrible as this because it becomes lame or useless to it's owner. I can't wait till the day the world realizes that the horse never lost it's usefulness. It's us who turned our backs on it for a more contaminating form of transportation.

The link was to this thread, so I don't know what you're talking about when you say "watch another one of those links".

You're a complete and total idiot when you interpret that horses go to slaughter because people no longer have a need for them, or because they go lame.

You're one of the people who doesn't understand why a horse can't just be left out to pasture when its old and retired and just live out its final days eating tall luscious green grass and chasing butterflies.

Do you have any idea, any idea at all how much money it takes to care for a horse, especially one who might be crippled or need some sort of special attention. How about one that needs to be rehabilitated due to previous abuse, or one that's so sick even if it does eventually survive, if it will ever be the horse it once was.

Horses are animals that need to earn their keep so to speak. A horse that isn't being ridden, or isn't serving any kind of purpose (this doesn't mean something like your first horse growing up as a child and you decided to keep it and care for it until it dies, even if you can't ride it anymore) is a money pit. They eat money, literally eat it and poop it out.



I'm not opposed to other options for unwanted horses, slaughter isn't the only one. There are horses that are sent to slaughter that are not lame, don't have an incurable disease or sickness, or have some horrible behavior problem. These horses are definitely candidates for re-homing, therapy horses, scientific research horses, donations to university equestrian programs (that's where all ours are from, but let me tell you, we know why each and every one of our 50 horses is at our horse center stare ) but there are some horses that have no other option.

As horrible as it sounds, its true. What do you do with a horse that hates humans, just has some unearthly rage when it sees a human being? You can't ride this horse, you can't use him for anything, you can't even touch the damn thing without fear of being bitten/pummeled to death by its hooves. What about horses so horribly neglected or abused they can't even stand up? Of course you could euthanize this horse, but then what do you do?


There are just so many un-thought of consequences with the banning of slaughter in the US.

heart Aww, flattery is your specialty. heart
I stand by my words just like you stand by yours, and yes, I am very aware of how much it costs to maintain a horse. And you're the one who needs to research just how many unwanted horses are sent to slaughter.
Eat the animal all you want. But unnecessary slaughter is insane.

[cheetahtmss]

Horse slaughterrr... Hmmm. Now, I am no animal-rights person, but I do not believe in killing an animal unless it's to end their physical suffering, because they've attacked someone, or if they are using their bodies for food, fur, etc. If they have a use for the horse, then let them do it. If they're killing them just to kill them, no. I've never eaten horse meat, so I don't know what it's like, so if it's tasty, let people eat it.
So, pro-slaughter(What a bad way of saying that, I'll call it Pro-Yummy-Horsie)? Yes.

[Yami no Hitokiri]

I think that companion animals like dogs and horses have earned the right to be regarded as more than "just animals" and should only be killed when there is no other alternative.

[Lost and alone14]

is slaughter of a lion any different. either way its cruel.

[Pickleswithastick]

Yami no Hitokiri

I think that companion animals like dogs and horses have earned the right to be regarded as more than "just animals" and should only be killed when there is no other alternative.

The problem is not everyone holds horses in the same regard, same as other companion animals. We view guinea pigs as pets, yet in South America they're both a pet and a delicacy. Same for dogs (Hawaiians especially). In the US, there is a large enough amount of people who view horses as a food source that there is a market for it. Avoiding it is also pretty simple-you don't support it, you guarantee your horses never go to slaughter and you never eat horse meat. It's not hard to do.

[Luxxfere]

Irahatam

[Metalhead.Psycho]

Irahatam

[Metalhead.Psycho]

I'd like to take over this old topic, which has died.

Horse Slaughter OP,OT

Views, opinions, questions?
If you don't know anything about this, except what you have heard secondhand, or read from petition websites, I encourage you to ask questions before having an opinion.
I'm an Equine Industry/Business major from West Texas A&M. Many of my professors and advisers have been on/ are on Agricultural Boards that discuss these issues at great length and write papers for the legislature to review.

I'm sorry. I can't watch another one of those links without losing my mind.
I hate that this animal has to suffer something as horrible as this because it becomes lame or useless to it's owner. I can't wait till the day the world realizes that the horse never lost it's usefulness. It's us who turned our backs on it for a more contaminating form of transportation.

The link was to this thread, so I don't know what you're talking about when you say "watch another one of those links".

You're a complete and total idiot when you interpret that horses go to slaughter because people no longer have a need for them, or because they go lame.

You're one of the people who doesn't understand why a horse can't just be left out to pasture when its old and retired and just live out its final days eating tall luscious green grass and chasing butterflies.

Do you have any idea, any idea at all how much money it takes to care for a horse, especially one who might be crippled or need some sort of special attention. How about one that needs to be rehabilitated due to previous abuse, or one that's so sick even if it does eventually survive, if it will ever be the horse it once was.

Horses are animals that need to earn their keep so to speak. A horse that isn't being ridden, or isn't serving any kind of purpose (this doesn't mean something like your first horse growing up as a child and you decided to keep it and care for it until it dies, even if you can't ride it anymore) is a money pit. They eat money, literally eat it and poop it out.



I'm not opposed to other options for unwanted horses, slaughter isn't the only one. There are horses that are sent to slaughter that are not lame, don't have an incurable disease or sickness, or have some horrible behavior problem. These horses are definitely candidates for re-homing, therapy horses, scientific research horses, donations to university equestrian programs (that's where all ours are from, but let me tell you, we know why each and every one of our 50 horses is at our horse center stare ) but there are some horses that have no other option.

As horrible as it sounds, its true. What do you do with a horse that hates humans, just has some unearthly rage when it sees a human being? You can't ride this horse, you can't use him for anything, you can't even touch the damn thing without fear of being bitten/pummeled to death by its hooves. What about horses so horribly neglected or abused they can't even stand up? Of course you could euthanize this horse, but then what do you do?


There are just so many un-thought of consequences with the banning of slaughter in the US.

heart Aww, flattery is your specialty. heart
I stand by my words just like you stand by yours, and yes, I am very aware of how much it costs to maintain a horse. And you're the one who needs to research just how many unwanted horses are sent to slaughter.
Eat the animal all you want. But unnecessary slaughter is insane.

Explain to me where the unnecessary part comes from.

[Luxxfere]

sexana

Against. I love horses.

I love horses too, therefore, I support horse slaughter.

[Luxxfere]

Skeksis

Wow, the most entertaining aspect of this thread is the people who are coming in here and failing to realise that you are pro-slaughter, OP. Makes me giggle. XD
Anyway, pro-slaughter here, also. Meat is meat and horses were not being treated worse than any other animal that went through that process. The do-gooders didn't improve conditions for horses- they increased their suffering instead.

heart

Thank you. 3nodding

[Luxxfere]

UPDATE:


I had the opportunity to meet Dr. Gregg Veneklasen, noted Equine cloning specialist. When he got his business up and running, he BOUGHT 2800 mares from the kill pens in Canada. Gorgeous mares, all the be used a surrogates for the clones. The slaughter house he bought the mares from was top of the line. The horses were divided out into pens with even numbered horses in each, stallions separated out individually, ALL pens had bedding and shavings, and horses had free choice alfalfa and free choice grain. Pregnant mares were treated with the utmost dignity, given proper vet care through out their gestation period, and foaled under the best circumstances.

Dr. Gregg took 2800 mares from this slaughter house, they obviously had the resources to be able to care for the horses properly, even though they were going to slaughter.

Not every slaughter house is like this though, this is very rare.



Slaughter isn't horrible unless it isn't regulated. The horrible part comes from the everyday person's ignorance.