Evolution: Fact Or Fiction

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[Westenblum]

Calmer

Doubting Didymus

And what if science does encounter something supernatural?

Then it's natural, isn't it?

How would we demonstrate something to be supernatural, anyway? Can we structure a test around God forming the universe ex nihilo?

[Aria Asha]

I believe that we did evolve. But i also believe that god created life on earth. So i believe that God put life on the earth and eventually we evolved into humans. biggrin
And guess what...i'm Christian. eek

[twilight_is_for_idiots]

I support evolution with all my heart and have believed in it since I was a very small child. That being said I completely respect people who do not believe in it as it is a personnal choice. So long as they are not rude about it I'm fine.

[viper232]

twilight_is_for_idiots

I support evolution with all my heart and have believed in it since I was a very small child. That being said I completely respect people who do not believe in it as it is a personnal choice. So long as they are not rude about it I'm fine.

... Curious... do you respect people who claim that creationism is scientifically supported, want to get it taught in public schools, substantiated by empirical evidence, and evolution is just lies?

Is it more a "you can believe what you want privately just don't go promoting it", or a "we can all believe what we want because neither is more true than the other, it's just personal beliefs"?

If it's the former, fine, if it's the latter... you're an idiot >.>

[Dezzenotith]

Evolution is fact. There is plenty of proof. DNA, fossil remains, etc.

As for the Bible, and other such literature... I seriously believe people nowadays greatly underestimate the intelligence of our predecessors, the human imagination is an incredible thing. Is it really so difficult to consider that people thousands of years ago had the mental capacity to create such epic works of fiction, realistic as they may seem?

People that existed tens of thousands of years ago were well aware of the concept of the universe. Much of the knowledge they had was lost to the dark ages, if it weren't for the writings kept by the Greeks, the Rennaissance may never have happened.

The Rennaissance was not just about great art, it was the rediscovery of scientific knowledge and introspection.

[twilight_is_for_idiots]

viper232

twilight_is_for_idiots

I support evolution with all my heart and have believed in it since I was a very small child. That being said I completely respect people who do not believe in it as it is a personnal choice. So long as they are not rude about it I'm fine.

... Curious... do you respect people who claim that creationism is scientifically supported, want to get it taught in public schools, substantiated by empirical evidence, and evolution is just lies?

Is it more a "you can believe what you want privately just don't go promoting it", or a "we can all believe what we want because neither is more true than the other, it's just personal beliefs"?

If it's the former, fine, if it's the latter... you're an idiot >.>

We can all believe whatever we want to. If you cannot prove something is wrong then who are you to say it's not true?

[e-Claire rc1]

twilight_is_for_idiots

viper232

twilight_is_for_idiots

I support evolution with all my heart and have believed in it since I was a very small child. That being said I completely respect people who do not believe in it as it is a personnal choice. So long as they are not rude about it I'm fine.

... Curious... do you respect people who claim that creationism is scientifically supported, want to get it taught in public schools, substantiated by empirical evidence, and evolution is just lies?

Is it more a "you can believe what you want privately just don't go promoting it", or a "we can all believe what we want because neither is more true than the other, it's just personal beliefs"?

If it's the former, fine, if it's the latter... you're an idiot >.>

We can all believe whatever we want to. If you cannot prove something is wrong then who are you to say it's not true?

he's viper232, don'tcha know (ask a stupid question get a stupid answer)

[Westenblum]

twilight_is_for_idiots

viper232

twilight_is_for_idiots

I support evolution with all my heart and have believed in it since I was a very small child. That being said I completely respect people who do not believe in it as it is a personnal choice. So long as they are not rude about it I'm fine.

... Curious... do you respect people who claim that creationism is scientifically supported, want to get it taught in public schools, substantiated by empirical evidence, and evolution is just lies?

Is it more a "you can believe what you want privately just don't go promoting it", or a "we can all believe what we want because neither is more true than the other, it's just personal beliefs"?

If it's the former, fine, if it's the latter... you're an idiot >.>

We can all believe whatever we want to. If you cannot prove something is wrong then who are you to say it's not true?

But creationism has been shown to be wrong countless times, though. Please try to keep up.

[viper232]

twilight_is_for_idiots

viper232

twilight_is_for_idiots

I support evolution with all my heart and have believed in it since I was a very small child. That being said I completely respect people who do not believe in it as it is a personnal choice. So long as they are not rude about it I'm fine.

... Curious... do you respect people who claim that creationism is scientifically supported, want to get it taught in public schools, substantiated by empirical evidence, and evolution is just lies?

Is it more a "you can believe what you want privately just don't go promoting it", or a "we can all believe what we want because neither is more true than the other, it's just personal beliefs"?

If it's the former, fine, if it's the latter... you're an idiot >.>

We can all believe whatever we want to. If you cannot prove something is wrong then who are you to say it's not true?

Yeah that's what I thought you meant, the latter, which makes you an idiot.

I can't say it's not true, but I can say that believing it has ANY basis in fact is idiocy. Believing it has ANY credibility because it cannot be invalidated 100% is idiocy. Believing in creationism is as absurd as believing in a geocentric universe and denying atoms. It's believing a long long discredited idea throwing away good science.

Creationism is a poor position to try to defend. "Believe what you want privately just don't go promoting it" is an adequate way to approach creationists, but considering creationism to be even remotely as valid as evolution.... that's just being a moron.

[Thiora]

twilight_is_for_idiots

We can all believe whatever we want to. If you cannot prove something is wrong then who are you to say it's not true?

The problem here is that creationism is set up in a way that is unfalsifiable if you take in the way that some people define it, and anything that's unfalsifiable isn't science.. Evolution, on the other hand, is falsifiable; if people found evidence of highly developed animals in the same age rock as known very old species, we would know that evolution couldn't explain the complex animal.

[mluck24]

Evolution is fact to a certain degree. There is a theory of evolution though. I believe in creation. there are 3 answers evolutionists have failed to answer.

1)We have all seen in Biology classes how much detail there is in the Human body and every single other animal, and an estimated 99% of all animals have been extinct so there were 99 percent more animals in the past. There is so much and each animal has so much detail and I do not see how it is possible without intelligent design.

2)Now we all do have different views on this, as we have seen the many posts with "homosexuality is NOT as sin, what is wrong with... etc. etc. But nonetheless, we all have something in our heads that tells us what is right and what is wrong. If there is no God, I believe that we would not have the feeling of right and wrong.

3)Love. We are able to love. Would we be able to love something if there is no God? or would we just "make a baby and go"

[Vryko Lakas]

mluck24

there are 3 answers evolutionists have failed to answer.

The word "evolutionist" is pretty pointless except as a perjorative by people who don't understand it. You wouldn't call a physicist who accepts the reality of atoms as an "atomist."

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1)We have all seen in Biology classes how much detail there is in the Human body and every single other animal, and an estimated 99% of all animals have been extinct so there were 99 percent more animals in the past. There is so much and each animal has so much detail and I do not see how it is possible without intelligent design.

That's not something that can be answered except with the retort, "sounds like a personal problem to me." Your failure of imagination is not a problem for the theory or the fact of evolution. Nature is far more subtle, complex, and ingenious than any living person, and it will probably remain that way. It should be no surprise that any given person has trouble comprehending the enormity of it all.

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2)Now we all do have different views on this, as we have seen the many posts with "homosexuality is NOT as sin, what is wrong with... etc. etc. But nonetheless, we all have something in our heads that tells us what is right and what is wrong. If there is no God, I believe that we would not have the feeling of right and wrong.

Again, this is a problem with your own personal limitations rather than a problem with evolution. Darwin even speculated some 150 years ago on the role of morality as an emergent behavior lending competitive advantages to social animals like humans, chimps, etc. If you care to look there is plenty of literature in science about the possible evolution of morality and ethics which don't invoke God as a necessity. There's even plenty of that in plain old Philosophy. I can really only say that this is another product of your own limited exposure to the knowledge that's out there and not a problem with evolution per se.

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3)Love. We are able to love. Would we be able to love something if there is no God? or would we just "make a baby and go"

We probably could, because even beasts know love and kinship. Again, look at primates who rear their young, experience emotions such as fondness, joy, grief, boredom, etc. Elephants and whales are probably the same way.

[mluck24]

the reason nature is complex is because God made it that way. And God gave the animals the ability to love as he did us. And there is no imagination in science.

[Vryko Lakas]

mluck24

the reason nature is complex is because God made it that way. And God gave the animals the ability to love as he did us.

So evolution has answers, but you insist they don't stand up because God is behind it all anyway. But you would say that no matter how the world was: if there was no love and people reproduced like reptiles, or if nature were dead simple. You'd still be able to say "that's how God made it." So you effectively have an unfalsifiable position, which science will therefore disregard.

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And there is no imagination in science.

There has to be imagination in order to generate speculative hypotheses to explain the data. If Einstein didn't have imagination, for example, his famous thought experiments laying out the foundations of Relativity would never have happened.


Thank you, for a second I forgot who I was talking to. I don't think I'll waste further time on you, since you're not particularly interested in learning.

[Master SBK]

mluck24

Evolution is fact to a certain degree. There is a theory of evolution though. I believe in creation. there are 3 answers evolutionists have failed to answer.

1)We have all seen in Biology classes how much detail there is in the Human body and every single other animal, and an estimated 99% of all animals have been extinct so there were 99 percent more animals in the past. There is so much and each animal has so much detail and I do not see how it is possible without intelligent design.

2)Now we all do have different views on this, as we have seen the many posts with "homosexuality is NOT as sin, what is wrong with... etc. etc. But nonetheless, we all have something in our heads that tells us what is right and what is wrong. If there is no God, I believe that we would not have the feeling of right and wrong.

3)Love. We are able to love. Would we be able to love something if there is no God? or would we just "make a baby and go"

how the hell does any of this have anything to do with evolution? The theory of evolution is a scientific theory that addresses how life on Earth has changed. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't address the existence or non-existence of a creator, nor does it address anything to do with morality.

Evolution is not a religion nor a philosophical thought. I don't understand why creationists try to make it into one.