Evolution: Fact Or Fiction

Whats your religion?

Atheist	39.3%	[ 1138 ]
Protestant	16.9%	[ 489 ]
Catholic	14.1%	[ 407 ]
Hindu	1.3%	[ 37 ]
Muslim	1.8%	[ 53 ]
Jew	2.3%	[ 67 ]
Buddhist	5.1%	[ 149 ]
Greek Orthodox	0.7%	[ 21 ]
Pagan	14.2%	[ 412 ]
Egyptian	4.2%	[ 122 ]
Total Votes:			[ 2895 ]

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Vasili Zaitsev

Well evolution has been pretty much proven and creationism is impossible because two people cant just appear and make babies, eve would've died and we would all be brothers and sisters soooo... you do the math

After some quick figuring...yeah, yours is still one of the worst pro-evolution/anti-creationism posts ever.

In fact, that's one of the dumbest things I've read yet.

[e-Claire rc1]

Elf Lord Chiewn

Blairnensha

You're ignoring the possibility of the Santa Claus effect - it could be that a parent or other authority figure is responsible but attributes the phenomenon to a supernatural entity, and the doctrine is stronger than her critical reasoning skills.

"It's God time!"

"No, dad, no!"

Er, that's not what I was thinking, but...wow. emo

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Blairnensha

Elf Lord Chiewn

Blairnensha

You're ignoring the possibility of the Santa Claus effect - it could be that a parent or other authority figure is responsible but attributes the phenomenon to a supernatural entity, and the doctrine is stronger than her critical reasoning skills.

"It's God time!"

"No, dad, no!"

Er, that's not what I was thinking, but...wow. emo

The Internet made me do it. ninja

[e-Claire rc1]

Elf Lord Chiewn

Blairnensha

Elf Lord Chiewn

Blairnensha

You're ignoring the possibility of the Santa Claus effect - it could be that a parent or other authority figure is responsible but attributes the phenomenon to a supernatural entity, and the doctrine is stronger than her critical reasoning skills.

"It's God time!"

"No, dad, no!"

Er, that's not what I was thinking, but...wow. emo

The Internet made me do it. ninja

On the plus side, you reminded me of Perry Bible Fellowship, which has a bunch of new comics since last time I read it surprised Coincidentally, the first one I stumbled upon is entirely relevant to this discussion!

[Shaviv]

Reniefuwa

Shaviv

Uhm, the way we're constructing the term, a Creationist is a person who believes that all life forms were created roughly six thousand years ago in exactly the forms they are in now. Except for the currently-extinct ones, which were alive back then.

So I don't see how a Creationist could possibly accept as valid any findings or theories of evolutionary biology, as the entirety of evo bio contradicts Creationist dogma in its entirety.

So basically, you're saying that the only definition for Creationist you will even consider is that of young-Earth God-just-made-everything-dur retards, and anyone who believes anything that differs even slightly from that is something not Creationist? Convenient for you, very nice.

Btw, they can still believe in natural selection.

That is what I'm saying.

If you believe that God created the world some n billion years ago, and that things have changed since then (under divine guidance or otherwise), you're not a creationist, you're someone who observes the world around him and may or may not happen to believe that there was a Divine hand driving it forward.

The term "Creationist" is invoked generally in opposition to astronomical, geological and biological evidence about the age of the universe, the planet and biological species, respectively. I have never heard a single person who believes as you do ever object to such findings. In fact, I would say that to express interest in finding out how the natural world as it is now came to be is inherently to reject Creationism.

[Vryko Lakas]

I don't think you get around in those circles enough then, Shavvy.
Then again, that's probably to your credit.

They start being "Creationist" in your sense when they say: "but I don't believe HUMANS evolved from monkeys!" The die-hard Young Earth Creationists might be dwindling in number a bit, but then you have a lot of the "Intelligent Design"-like Creationists who draw some kind of imaginary line across which science and the natural world just aren't allowed.

[Shaviv]

Okay, so: revising my definition.

If you claim that divine influence is necessary to explain the world, and invoke things like irreducible complexity, gaps in the fossil record, etc. to bolster your claim, you're a Creationist, which is to say, either insufficiently educated in the sciences (not too hard to remedy, btw, if you have a good library nearby) or dishonest.

I'm a Deist, you know, I can think of no better term for the phenomena that led to the world we know and the rules that govern them than "God". But I can't deny the evidence that those phenomena did, in fact, lead to the world we now live in.

[Vryko Lakas]

A sort of "God is the legislator that drafts the Laws of Nature" kind of guy?

[Shaviv]

Vryko Lakas

A sort of "God is the legislator that drafts the Laws of Nature" kind of guy?

You could say.

[Sandokiri]

Bailey_bob

if u wanna explain how nowa built an arche 3 times as long as england and 7 times as high as the empier state building go ahead but its all just a load of crap that was made up and the bible was only first writen 300 years ago so explain 2000 years

Actually, the ark was said to be 300 cubits - which would be about 137 meters. England's length is estimated at 620 thousand meters, so you are wrong by a factor of about 4520. As for the height, 7x the height of the Empire State Building is 2667 meters: you are wrong here by a factor of about 194.

Noah's ark has problems - but being 1.65 miles tall and capable of being stretched from Chicago to Albuquerque is not one of them.

Okaami

You think God never does anything? Ha! I've talked to him. I've seen angels. He's hugged me. He's lead me to many solutions before. And btw, you spelled ark wrong.

Also, (dont flame me for this) if people evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

"It's the same as saying that many Americans are descended from Europeans - but there are still Europeans!"

[Aegair]

Sandokiri

Okaami

Also, (dont flame me for this) if people evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

"It's the same as saying that many Americans are descended from Europeans - but there are still Europeans!"

Though technically we share an ancestor with apes, we didn't evolve from them.

[Vryko Lakas]

Of course none of the ancestors for the Mayflower passengers are still around and kickin' either.

[Sandokiri]

Aegair

Sandokiri

Okaami

Also, (dont flame me for this) if people evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

"It's the same as saying that many Americans are descended from Europeans - but there are still Europeans!"

Though technically we share an ancestor with apes, we didn't evolve from them.

Technically, we are apes.

[Westenblum]

Sandokiri

Aegair

Sandokiri

Okaami

Also, (dont flame me for this) if people evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

"It's the same as saying that many Americans are descended from Europeans - but there are still Europeans!"

Though technically we share an ancestor with apes, we didn't evolve from them.

Technically, we are apes.

Technically, both statements are true.

[Akhenaton of man]

Blairnensha

Elf Lord Chiewn

Blairnensha

Elf Lord Chiewn

Blairnensha

You're ignoring the possibility of the Santa Claus effect - it could be that a parent or other authority figure is responsible but attributes the phenomenon to a supernatural entity, and the doctrine is stronger than her critical reasoning skills.

"It's God time!"

"No, dad, no!"

Er, that's not what I was thinking, but...wow. emo

The Internet made me do it. ninja

On the plus side, you reminded me of Perry Bible Fellowship, which has a bunch of new comics since last time I read it surprised Coincidentally, the first one I stumbled upon is entirely relevant to this discussion!

Granted that may be the smartest argument I have ever heard from those bastards.