Evolution: Fact Or Fiction

Whats your religion?

Atheist	39.3%	[ 1138 ]
Protestant	16.9%	[ 489 ]
Catholic	14.1%	[ 407 ]
Hindu	1.3%	[ 37 ]
Muslim	1.8%	[ 53 ]
Jew	2.3%	[ 67 ]
Buddhist	5.1%	[ 149 ]
Greek Orthodox	0.7%	[ 21 ]
Pagan	14.2%	[ 412 ]
Egyptian	4.2%	[ 122 ]
Total Votes:			[ 2895 ]

[Math145 Kane]

Atheism isn't a religion.

[Valtiel the Watcher]

MyxineDamion

Trorbes

Placidius

Vryko Lakas

Like bats being birds

Bats are birds as long as you classify them as such. Just because an ancient text doesn't agree with todays taxonomy does not make it wrong by the standards of its time.

Modern taxonomy isn't just random assignment of species, you realize. Bats are quite obviously mammals. Mammals and avians are quite obviously different. One would think God would be realize this, wouldn't one?

"Bird" doesn't necessarily equate to "avian" in ancient literature, much like "bug" doesn't necessarily equate to "hemipteran" today. Dragons were called "serpents" (wurms), monkeys were called apes and vice versa (they still are today, but you can now beat someone with a dictionary if they do that.) Vulgar names tend to have loose definitions, and the association between a specific clade and a vulgar name is obviously quite modern. It's silly to call a beetle a coleopteran and a butterfly a lepidopteran when the target audience just calls them bugs, unless you're writing a science textbook or something.

Now if the Bible had said "chiropterans are avians"... of course it'd never have said that because the terms didn't exist, but then again the word "bird" as defined today didn't exist either.
(I heard the hebrew word used essentially translates to "flying thing", by the way.)

then you're basically saying that with the scientific knowledge that we have gained, the definition of alot of creatures has changed as well. remember that at one point that we thought that the earth was the center of the universe. just because those terms were considered fact at some point does not mean that they were fact. There are laws illustrated in the bible that even the most faithful christians do not follow. I'm just wondering why if the bible is already translated a bit loosely already then why can't people accept the idea of change to what they believe. are you clinging on to a belief because you're afraid what admitting it being incorrect will do? Why exactly is it?

[Ihavenoarmz]

Valtiel the Watcher

then you're basically saying that with the scientific knowledge that we have gained, the definition of alot of creatures has changed as well.

No. Read my post again.
Unless you believe the Hebrews couldn't ******** tell that a sparrow was vastly different from a bat, or that people today can't ******** tell a fly is not a bedbug, or that a dragon could pretend to be a snake.

It has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge of any kind and everything to do with plain old terminology.

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remember that at one point that we thought that the earth was the center of the universe. just because those terms were considered fact at some point does not mean that they were fact.

I never even brushed that particular topic.

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There are laws illustrated in the bible that even the most faithful christians follow. I'm just wondering why if the bible is already translated a bit loosely already then why can't people accept the idea of change to what they believe. are you clinging on to a belief because you're afraid what admitting it being incorrect will do? Why exactly is it?

Or maybe I'M NOT A ******** CHRISTIAN, DIPSHIT.

[Marduk379]

FromFirstToLast_Rock

What's your religion?
¤ Atheist
¤ Protestant
¤ Catholic
¤ Hindu

Ha ha! Atheist stand under religion by mistake. What a blunder.

At least I hope it's a blunder. confused

[Ihavenoarmz]

Marduk379

FromFirstToLast_Rock

What's your religion?
¤ Atheist
¤ Protestant
¤ Catholic
¤ Hindu

Ha ha! Atheist stand under religion by mistake. What a blunder.

At least I hope it's a blunder. confused

Uh, the entire poll is ******** up, y'know.

[Vicariance]

Don't you think we are a bit too complex? There must be intelligent design- not evolution.

[Viper the Femme]

Girliciousy

Don't you think we are a bit too complex? There must be intelligent design- not evolution.

An intelligent designer would strive for simplicity, not complexity. If I was an intelligent designer, I wouldn't make the biological equivalent of a Rude Goldberg machine. I'd make something that could thrive in a multitude of environments and conditions.

More importantly, let's look at the most "intelligently designed" part of the body: The appendix. You know, that thing that no longer serves any biological purpose, and can even become a liability in some cases.

[BlackShadow03]

Girliciousy

Don't you think we are a bit too complex? There must be intelligent design- not evolution.

That argument has been torn to shreds way too many times to even warrant discussion. Protip: Don't listen to Michel Behe.

[BlackShadow03]

Viper the Femme

Girliciousy

Don't you think we are a bit too complex? There must be intelligent design- not evolution.

An intelligent designer would strive for simplicity, not complexity. If I was an intelligent designer, I wouldn't make the biological equivalent of a Rude Goldberg machine. I'd make something that could thrive in a multitude of environments and conditions.

More importantly, let's look at the most "intelligently designed" part of the body: The appendix. You know, that thing that no longer serves any biological purpose, and can even become a liability in some cases.

I no longer have my appendix. emo

[Ihavenoarmz]

BlackShadow03

Viper the Femme

Girliciousy

Don't you think we are a bit too complex? There must be intelligent design- not evolution.

An intelligent designer would strive for simplicity, not complexity. If I was an intelligent designer, I wouldn't make the biological equivalent of a Rude Goldberg machine. I'd make something that could thrive in a multitude of environments and conditions.

More importantly, let's look at the most "intelligently designed" part of the body: The appendix. You know, that thing that no longer serves any biological purpose, and can even become a liability in some cases.

I no longer have my appendix. emo

Lucky you. Everytime I feel some sort of pain in my side I can't help but think "oh ********, if it's my appendix I'll have to spend a few days in the hospital and my week is totally ******** ruined." Especially when I have exams or I'm about to go on a vacation.

[Vicariance]

Viper the Femme

Girliciousy

Don't you think we are a bit too complex? There must be intelligent design- not evolution.

An intelligent designer would strive for simplicity, not complexity. If I was an intelligent designer, I wouldn't make the biological equivalent of a Rude Goldberg machine. I'd make something that could thrive in a multitude of environments and conditions.

More importantly, let's look at the most "intelligently designed" part of the body: The appendix. You know, that thing that no longer serves any biological purpose, and can even become a liability in some cases.

Or wisdom teeth?

[BlackShadow03]

MyxineDamion

BlackShadow03

Viper the Femme

Girliciousy

Don't you think we are a bit too complex? There must be intelligent design- not evolution.

An intelligent designer would strive for simplicity, not complexity. If I was an intelligent designer, I wouldn't make the biological equivalent of a Rude Goldberg machine. I'd make something that could thrive in a multitude of environments and conditions.

More importantly, let's look at the most "intelligently designed" part of the body: The appendix. You know, that thing that no longer serves any biological purpose, and can even become a liability in some cases.

I no longer have my appendix. emo

Lucky you. Everytime I feel some sort of pain in my side I can't help but think "oh ********, if it's my appendix I'll have to spend a few days in the hospital and my week is totally ******** ruined." Especially when I have exams or I'm about to go on a vacation.

Well, I couldn't even get out of bed. Hell, I couldn't even move around too much. It HURT to do so. Much like a spiked ball or impossibly heavy stone was sitting where my appendix was supposed to be, and if I moved it would shift and cause pain anew. In my opinion, you'd KNOW if your appendix was inflamed. Hell, I don't even want to know what it feels like if it burst. gonk

[Ihavenoarmz]

Girliciousy

Or wisdom teeth?

Wisdom teeth made sense before we invented the toothbrush, though (tribal africans use some kind of small branch that works pretty great as well.)

BS: Yeah, it's more of an irrational visceral anxiety than a reasoned fear. I really just wish it'd get inflamed soon so I can stop stressing about it.
Oddly enough, it's the only health problem that worries me.

[Ban]

MyxineDamion

BS: Yeah, it's more of an irrational visceral anxiety than a reasoned fear. I really just wish it'd get inflamed soon so I can stop stressing about it.
Oddly enough, it's the only health problem that worries me.

Good news then. Appendicitis generally presents with pain starting centrally, below the navel, basically, and focus in the lower right abdomen. So pain in your side probably isn't appendicitis.

... It could be renal failure, though.