[ Poll ] Evolution: Fact Or Fiction

Whats your religion?

Atheist		39.1%	[ 1117 ]
Protestant		17.0%	[ 485 ]
Catholic		14.0%	[ 401 ]
Hindu		1.3%	[ 37 ]
Muslim		1.8%	[ 52 ]
Jew		2.3%	[ 67 ]
Buddhist		5.2%	[ 149 ]
Greek Orthodox		0.7%	[ 21 ]
Pagan		14.2%	[ 406 ]
Egyptian		4.3%	[ 122 ]

Total Votes: 2857

[Shaviv]

When someone quotes Ben Stein about biology, he might as well be carrying a sandwich-board that says, "I'm ignorant and proud!"

Tip: don't do that.

[Biot-Savart Law]

Shaviv

When someone quotes Ben Stein about biology, he might as well be carrying a sandwich-board that says, "I'm ignorant and proud!"

Tip: don't do that.

Someone quoted Ben Stein?

The Dry Eyes guy?

[Shaviv]

Angels_Satire

Shaviv

When someone quotes Ben Stein about biology, he might as well be carrying a sandwich-board that says, "I'm ignorant and proud!"

Tip: don't do that.

Someone quoted Ben Stein?

The Dry Eyes guy?

I don't know, the "No Intelligence Allowed" guy, the advocate for Young-Earth Creationism. The professional ignoramus and evangelist of ignorance.

[Biot-Savart Law]

Shaviv

Angels_Satire

Shaviv

When someone quotes Ben Stein about biology, he might as well be carrying a sandwich-board that says, "I'm ignorant and proud!"

Tip: don't do that.

Someone quoted Ben Stein?

The Dry Eyes guy?

I don't know, the "No Intelligence Allowed" guy, the advocate for Young-Earth Creationism. The professional ignoramus and evangelist of ignorance.

Ah, well.

It can't be helped. Some people just are not... ah, good.

[Alt_Jack]

You mean like this?

Citizen Link: Friday Five: Actor Ben Stein.(2008-04-04)

Neo-Darwinists ask us to believe in things not seen.

Sorry. Couldn't resist some sneering irony. And because we just can't get enough of the ICR:

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Accurate Data
The Bible is unique among all books. Not only is it different in its form, structure, and history, but it takes the position of supernatural superiority to all other communication. It insists on total accuracy for its content and absolute obedience to its commands. No other book is so demanding.

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Historical Accuracy
The biblical record is full of testable historical and archaeological data, unlike the sacred texts of other religions. Wherever such historical information is cited, the data has proven to be precise and trustworthy

[motts]

there is no proof that gods real, and no proof that he isnt, why do people insist on debating on this. just wait till you die, then youll find out.

[Vryko Lakas]

motts

there is no proof that gods real, and no proof that he isnt, why do people insist on debating on this. just wait till you die, then youll find out.

... that's really off-topic.

[Golden Dysprosium]

Vryko Lakas

motts

there is no proof that gods real, and no proof that he isnt, why do people insist on debating on this. just wait till you die, then youll find out.

... that's really off-topic.

Yep. I'd also like to point out that we aren't discussing that, which has almost nothing to do with the topic.

Alt_Jack

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Historical Accuracy
The biblical record is full of testable historical and archaeological data, unlike the sacred texts of other religions. Wherever such historical information is cited, the data has proven to be precise and trustworthy

That's quite the claim... sweatdrop

[Alt_Jack]

A must-read.And something for those who love talking about global warming.

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The Bible teaches a unique plan of redemption. It reveals a unique Savior.
He was born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:18-25).
He lived a sinless life (Hebrews 4:14-16).
He taught as no other man taught (John 7:46; Matthew 7:28-29).
He died a unique, volitional death (John 10:17-18; Luke 23:46).
He had unique victory over death (Acts 17:31; 1 Corinthians 15:3- cool .

But luckily, I went to go see a certain documentary about religion. They presented some very interesting paralells, including this,this,and this.It's pretty much the same thing 3 times, but it had to be posted.

[Gho the Girl]

Vryko Lakas

Actually, a series of computer simulations with very pessimistic assumptions shows fish-type eyes evolving from relatively simple photosensitive patches in less than 1/3 million generations.

Then why haven't humans evolved yet?

[Captain Saeta]

FromFirstToLast_Rock

Queen of the tigers

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the bibles a story book, created from ppls imaginations.

bet you cant prove that.

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jesus did exsist but him n his 12 diciples were con artests

bet you cant prove that either.

I second that.
The amount of actual Scientific Fact that is in The Bible is staggering.
Such as the dimensions of the Ark. Scientists proved that this boat was almost impossible to capsize, due to its size and shape. They didn't have the technology back then to actually work this out!

To the contrary, I'd argue that many cultures did have decent mathematical know-how, at least more than we give credit to them for in popular opinion. Nonetheless, that's not to say that it couldn't possibly have been directed, however indirectly, by God instructing Noah as to its construction, etc.

As to the topic at hand, I agree with a general concept of evolution, although I do recognize also that I cannot accept it as absolute fact in every regard in that for science to be science at all it must be testable, alterable too if evidence arises. Alchemy, eugenics, Lamarckian biology, miasma disease theory, all these were at one time science in one manner of speaking or another in their day, based upon what understanding much of human society had at the time, but these things have been altered or else have been abandoned out-right as time went on and scientific understanding improved. Likewise, although evolution seems to be the puzzle-piece we're looking for in regards to many questions about how nature functions, we cannot assume it as absolute fact as of yet, not in every respect, particularly not until we discover physical evidence of the "missing link" ancestors of various species, including our own supposed ancestor in common with the apes. I am, for what it's worth, religious as well- I find little serious contradiction in the idea that, if God designed the Universe, He could not have also implemented evolution in addition to the millions of other minute and inexplicably complex aspects of life as we know it (and what we've yet to discover of it).

[Captain Saeta]

Gho the Girl

Vryko Lakas

Actually, a series of computer simulations with very pessimistic assumptions shows fish-type eyes evolving from relatively simple photosensitive patches in less than 1/3 million generations.

Then why haven't humans evolved yet?

I'm always very questionable about computers accurately guessing what we've only just begun to understand but that aside...

According to the theory as I understand it, we have evolved already (whether you include the belief that we emerged from non-ape-like ancestry such as the amoebas way on back). Homo sapiens sapiens is but our current... er... incarnation, having been preceded by (there's not much doubt of this much, at least, although the element of us coming from fish, etc, is debated in various respects) the slightly-different Homo sapiens, the slightly more different but nonetheless similar Homo habitus, and so forth. Still us, just slight changes in physiology generation-after-generation, as a result of the continual recombination of genes (parents' genes combining in a unique way to create a unique child, genetically-speaking, each time they have a child) over each successive generation. Basically, it's adaptation, if that's how you want to look at it. The theory goes on to say that the Neanderthals (their bones have been found) were their own separate species which was related to us but died out or else combined with our own some time around the more famous of our planet's Ice Ages, but again this is still under study.

[Vryko Lakas]

Gho the Girl

Then why haven't humans evolved yet?

We have.

[Triste-chan]

Vryko Lakas

Gho the Girl

Then why haven't humans evolved yet?

We have.

Some of us, anyway.

[Alt_Jack]

Triste-chan

Vryko Lakas

Gho the Girl

Then why haven't humans evolved yet?

We have.

Some of us, anyway.

BURN.

Captain Saeta

Still us, just slight changes in physiology generation-after-generation, as a result of the continual recombination of genes (parents' genes combining in a unique way to create a unique child, genetically-speaking, each time they have a child) over each successive generation. Basically, it's adaptation, if that's how you want to look at it.

Not quite...adaptation requires a problem that would require you to adapt (ex: immigrants to Canada from, say, Jamaica sit shivering in class under 3 layers of clothes while I sit there in a t-shirt). It doesn't come from your parents. The human body has 23 chromosome pairs, 46 in total. 23 from mom, 23 from dad. Half of their chromosomes go to you, 50/50. There would have to be dramatic differences between mother/father to show any visible changes. That's why some people say "you are so much like your father".