Evolution: Fact Or Fiction

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[Akanishi Makoto]

MugenSamurai

Well duh. But that's like saying that big bang theory and Shakespeare are related, because Shakespeare would never be here without the big bang. Big bang has nothing to do with evolution.

The Big Bang does make for a convenient straw man for attacks on Evolution by Creationists.

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Akanishi Makoto

Ezili

yes but there is little or no chance of winning an arugment with someone who dead set that god is the only truth & also has no proof
they have nothing to back up their belief & therefore have nothing to disprove...

No, they have no proof. That's why God cannot be included in science.

Because it's obvious that a Wizard did it.

Well if you're going to nitpick, thers's no *proof* of anything. Descartes demonstrated that pretty well.

God is seperate from science because God is NON-FALSIFABLE

[Akanishi Makoto]

AyanamiRei

Well if you're going to nitpick, thers's no *proof* of anything. Descartes demonstrated that pretty well.

God is seperate from science because God is NON-FALSIFABLE

I'm equating proof with falsifiability, not Descartes and the philosophy of existence. Proof as far as if I drop an apple, it proves that gravity will invariably pull it towards Earth.

[Starshard0]

Evolution is fact.

I believe in God.

Beat that.

[Akanishi Makoto]

Starshard0

Evolution is fact.

I believe in God.

Beat that.

Royal Flush? exclaim

[Saen Alkest]

If evolution is false, then explain why cave spider's have no eyes? Because they don't need them if they cannot see.
And why penguins' legs go up into their stomach?
Evolution exists. It's impossible for it to not exist.
Being "poofed" By god seems rather.. Odd.

[tunadang]

i can't see how we got "poofed" either, Arcturus. "poofed" into existence and formed out of dust... yeah. unlikely since we're about 80% water. which is fact by the by.

ahem, evolution is a fact. right now i can't be bothered posting links to sites that will give you proof of evolution. right now, i can't even be bothered arguing my point. but it exists right in front of you...

[Akanishi Makoto]

tunadang

i can't see how we got "poofed" either, Arcturus. "poofed" into existence and formed out of dust... yeah. unlikely since we're about 80% water. which is fact by the by.

ahem, evolution is a fact. right now i can't be bothered posting links to sites that will give you proof of evolution. right now, i can't even be bothered arguing my point. but it exists right in front of you...

Talk Origins
Defender's Guide to Science and Creationism

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Starshard0

Evolution is fact.

I believe in God.

Beat that.

That's great that you believe that, but how do you know evolutionism is a fact? Some proof would be nice.

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Akanishi Makoto

tunadang

i can't see how we got "poofed" either, Arcturus. "poofed" into existence and formed out of dust... yeah. unlikely since we're about 80% water. which is fact by the by.

ahem, evolution is a fact. right now i can't be bothered posting links to sites that will give you proof of evolution. right now, i can't even be bothered arguing my point. but it exists right in front of you...

Talk Origins
Defender's Guide to Science and Creationism

Here is an alternate viewpoint http://trueorigins.org

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Arcturus Mikado

If evolution is false, then explain why cave spider's have no eyes? Because they don't need them if they cannot see.
And why penguins' legs go up into their stomach?
Evolution exists. It's impossible for it to not exist.
Being "poofed" By god seems rather.. Odd.

Well perhaps it should be you who explains exactly why it is that cave spider having no eyes is such great support for evolutionism. It's all very well to throw out statements like "what about this and what about that" but that doesn't show proof of any kind. Exactly how do the things you mention support evolutionism?

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Demon_child203

OK. I'll break this down into some BASIC sections for you guys. I am an evolutionist, please do not be offended. If you are, please tell me why and we can discuss, OK? Good...

I. Big Bang
Alright, the Big Bang and evolution have very little to do with one another. Still, I think I should post why I beleive what I beleive. And how it relates to religion.

We go back into the history of the universe. Just, for about 1 minute, leave any previous beleifs behind. We there? Good. Near the beginning of time, there were quarks just zig-zagging everywhere. Eventually, the strong and weak nuclear forces were born, causing these quarks to form into atoms. Note that quarks were formed VERY close to the beginning of time, but not AT the EXACT MOMENT time began. We have no clue what happened then. We really don't. For all we know, God could have played a major role in this. Hooray for God! I guess... So, you can beleive God created the universe, and allowed it to shape itself, much like a human.


II. Earth is HERE, yo.
Basically, now that the universe is here, the Earth is here. Alright. Our planet now has a place on the map. Yay.

When the Earth was created, water was enabled to be formed. When water was formed, life could happen. I'm unclear about the details, but I think there were some scientists who proved that life could have come from a storm. So, now we've got life. w00t.


III. Multi-celled creatures.
Event the Bible says it. Fish came first. Hoorah for fishies! Let us pray the dolphins won't start singing (I don't like how it sounds). It is constant in evolution as well. Fish (animals that live in the water) came first. Then, animals. So, now we've got some animals.

Even the Bible says humans came last, right?

The Bible also says that a day is like a 1000 days in the eye of the Lord, right?

See where I'm going with this?

Just because the Bible says things like this happened in 7 days, does not mean it happened in 7 days EXACTLY. It could have been 7 years, months, millenia, or even billion years. There probably was some being who created us, I'll admit to that. There are too many unexplained things to say there isn't a God. However, who's to say he didn't create us and let us do things at our own pace?


IV. One thing said that sort of annoys me...

Quote:

I've seen lots of monkeys, but none turned into men.

Evolution was a process that took MANY MANY years. OF COURSE none of it would have happened in your lifetime.

If you want me to expand my views, please say so.

I would love for you to expand on some of your views as they seem fairly unclear to me and dare I say a little illogical. However I fear that if you expand on all of them this post will become too big. How about we just start with one?

Your post sounds much like all other posts I see from evolutionists and is no more than a just so story. Things just don't come into existence as you seem to imply in your narrative, but you at least admin towards the end that there are too many unexplained things to say there isn't a God. Well in that you are absolutely correct.

The one thing that I would like you to expand on is this. If evolutionism is a true account of the world and how it got here, what is the mecahism by which it creates new information to add to an organism that doesn't have it already. eg by what mecahanism did reptiles gain the information to turn into birds with wings when reptiles didn't have the information to create wings originally?

[QuicksilverMKII]

KABOOM_KABOOOOOM

I would love for you to expand on some of your views as they seem fairly unclear to me and dare I say a little illogical. However I fear that if you expand on all of them this post will become too big. How about we just start with one?

Your post sounds much like all other posts I see from evolutionists and is no more than a just so story. Things just don't come into existence as you seem to imply in your narrative, but you at least admin towards the end that there are too many unexplained things to say there isn't a God. Well in that you are absolutely correct.

The one thing that I would like you to expand on is this. If evolutionism is a true account of the world and how it got here, what is the mecahism by which it creates new information to add to an organism that doesn't have it already. eg by what mecahanism did reptiles gain the information to turn into birds with wings when reptiles didn't have the information to create wings originally?

Evolution is an observable phenomenon, and a fact. The is a massive amount of evidance supporting Evolution, and none support.

The mechanism for the creation of new species is known as genetic mutation.

unexplained things do not necessitate the existance of a deity, rather, they show a need for further reaserch.

[Kether_X]

There is nothing proving creationism.
It is an arogant an narrow minded view of the universe.
Plus if god had to creat us then wouldn't something
have to creat god.

[Akanishi Makoto]

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Akanishi Makoto

tunadang

i can't see how we got "poofed" either, Arcturus. "poofed" into existence and formed out of dust... yeah. unlikely since we're about 80% water. which is fact by the by.

ahem, evolution is a fact. right now i can't be bothered posting links to sites that will give you proof of evolution. right now, i can't even be bothered arguing my point. but it exists right in front of you...

Talk Origins
Defender's Guide to Science and Creationism

Here is an alternate viewpoint http://trueorigins.org

I prefer this alternative viewpoint.