Evolution: Fact Or Fiction

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[A Soporific]

Andrzei

fruitpunch017

Queen of the tigers

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the bibles a story book, created from ppls imaginations.

bet you cant prove that.

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jesus did exsist but him n his 12 diciples were con artests

bet you cant prove that either.

the truth is that nobody really knows, and everyone comes up with their own ideas so they don't have to wonder. no one can prove the bible is real and no one can prove it's not. man claimed that god "told" them how to write the bible. he very well could have, or those people could be full of s**t. i personally think that the bible has been changed over the years. it has been passed on and men have added and taken out things. supposedly there is this one version that tells about reincarnation, giving second chances, etc. however back to my point, people just come up with these things, because people can not stand not knowing what's going to happen in the "afterlife".

I don't think you understand how burden of proof works. Be default, those who beleive in the bible must prove it to be correct, otherwise, I could say anything I want


Chaos Piotyr 3:16 And he reached out with his noodly appendage to touch those that beleived in him, in all his glory. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the word was the Flying Spaghetti monster. He was with the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the beginning.


As true today as it was, when it was written.

Actually, the way that burdon of proof works is differn than what you suggested. Those making the claim have to prove it. If I were to say "The bible is 100% literally true" then I would have to prove it. However, if someone else came up to me and said "The bible is 100% bullshit" then they would have to prove it.

This is the format:
A: Claim (burdon of proof on this)
B: Counter-claim (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)
A: Proof (backing up original claim)
A: Argument against counter-claim (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)
B: Proof (backing up counter-claim)
B: Arugment against Argument (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)

[Dickie Twinkles]

Creationists are truly ******** moronic. There is heaps of evidence for evolution and it's still witnessed today...yet I've seen not one shred of evidence to support creationism.
I think it was put in the bible because people weren't scientifically advanced enough to understand evolution back then.

[Saen Alkest]

Haha, I have a simple statement that I just realized.
What about spiders deep in caves where its so dark they can't see.
They obviously don't need eyes, thats why they don't have any. A species of normal spiders went into a cave and evolved to fit their surroundings, losing eyes, gaining better touch and hearing, etc.

Creationism doesn't make sense.
Evolution does.

[TrueSacredRahXephon]

teen_1986

Anyone who has ever been to historic sites has seen evidence of evolution...

Ever noticed that in buildings built 1,000+ years ago have low ceilings and doorways?

That's because people generally used to be shorter. 5 feet wouldn't have been below average for a man.

People have evolved to be taller.

That's due to diet.

[NykylaiHellray]

TrueSacredRahXephon

teen_1986

Anyone who has ever been to historic sites has seen evidence of evolution...

Ever noticed that in buildings built 1,000+ years ago have low ceilings and doorways?

That's because people generally used to be shorter. 5 feet wouldn't have been below average for a man.

People have evolved to be taller.

That's due to diet.

off topic: Nice avatar

Anyway, this has been seen in japanese culture.

People in japan are getting taller because of american foods.

[Andrzei]

A Soporific

Andrzei

fruitpunch017

Queen of the tigers

Quote:

the bibles a story book, created from ppls imaginations.

bet you cant prove that.

Quote:

jesus did exsist but him n his 12 diciples were con artests

bet you cant prove that either.

the truth is that nobody really knows, and everyone comes up with their own ideas so they don't have to wonder. no one can prove the bible is real and no one can prove it's not. man claimed that god "told" them how to write the bible. he very well could have, or those people could be full of s**t. i personally think that the bible has been changed over the years. it has been passed on and men have added and taken out things. supposedly there is this one version that tells about reincarnation, giving second chances, etc. however back to my point, people just come up with these things, because people can not stand not knowing what's going to happen in the "afterlife".

I don't think you understand how burden of proof works. Be default, those who beleive in the bible must prove it to be correct, otherwise, I could say anything I want


Chaos Piotyr 3:16 And he reached out with his noodly appendage to touch those that beleived in him, in all his glory. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the word was the Flying Spaghetti monster. He was with the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the beginning.


As true today as it was, when it was written.

Actually, the way that burdon of proof works is differn than what you suggested. Those making the claim have to prove it. If I were to say "The bible is 100% literally true" then I would have to prove it. However, if someone else came up to me and said "The bible is 100% bullshit" then they would have to prove it.

This is the format:
A: Claim (burdon of proof on this)
B: Counter-claim (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)
A: Proof (backing up original claim)
A: Argument against counter-claim (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)
B: Proof (backing up counter-claim)
B: Arugment against Argument (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)

I see what you mean there, but the big bang and evolution do have proof going for them. A fair amount, essentially, I am able to prove both of those more likely than what is found in the bible.

EDIT: There is also a lot of proof that the bible is bullshit, if you want, I can substantiate my claims for the things I mentioned.

[NykylaiHellray]

Andrzei

A Soporific

Andrzei

fruitpunch017

Queen of the tigers

bet you cant prove that.
bet you cant prove that either.

the truth is that nobody really knows, and everyone comes up with their own ideas so they don't have to wonder. no one can prove the bible is real and no one can prove it's not. man claimed that god "told" them how to write the bible. he very well could have, or those people could be full of s**t. i personally think that the bible has been changed over the years. it has been passed on and men have added and taken out things. supposedly there is this one version that tells about reincarnation, giving second chances, etc. however back to my point, people just come up with these things, because people can not stand not knowing what's going to happen in the "afterlife".

I don't think you understand how burden of proof works. Be default, those who beleive in the bible must prove it to be correct, otherwise, I could say anything I want


Chaos Piotyr 3:16 And he reached out with his noodly appendage to touch those that beleived in him, in all his glory. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the word was the Flying Spaghetti monster. He was with the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the beginning.


As true today as it was, when it was written.

Actually, the way that burdon of proof works is differn than what you suggested. Those making the claim have to prove it. If I were to say "The bible is 100% literally true" then I would have to prove it. However, if someone else came up to me and said "The bible is 100% bullshit" then they would have to prove it.

This is the format:
A: Claim (burdon of proof on this)
B: Counter-claim (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)
A: Proof (backing up original claim)
A: Argument against counter-claim (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)
B: Proof (backing up counter-claim)
B: Arugment against Argument (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)

I see what you mean there, but the big bang and evolution do have proof going for them. A fair amount, essentially, I am able to prove both of those more likely than what is found in the bible.

Still one must provide proof if they are going to argue there point (as I have learned.......)

[TrueSacredRahXephon]

Andrzei

A Soporific

Andrzei

fruitpunch017

Queen of the tigers

bet you cant prove that.
bet you cant prove that either.

the truth is that nobody really knows, and everyone comes up with their own ideas so they don't have to wonder. no one can prove the bible is real and no one can prove it's not. man claimed that god "told" them how to write the bible. he very well could have, or those people could be full of s**t. i personally think that the bible has been changed over the years. it has been passed on and men have added and taken out things. supposedly there is this one version that tells about reincarnation, giving second chances, etc. however back to my point, people just come up with these things, because people can not stand not knowing what's going to happen in the "afterlife".

I don't think you understand how burden of proof works. Be default, those who beleive in the bible must prove it to be correct, otherwise, I could say anything I want


Chaos Piotyr 3:16 And he reached out with his noodly appendage to touch those that beleived in him, in all his glory. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the word was the Flying Spaghetti monster. He was with the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the beginning.


As true today as it was, when it was written.

Actually, the way that burdon of proof works is differn than what you suggested. Those making the claim have to prove it. If I were to say "The bible is 100% literally true" then I would have to prove it. However, if someone else came up to me and said "The bible is 100% bullshit" then they would have to prove it.

This is the format:
A: Claim (burdon of proof on this)
B: Counter-claim (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)
A: Proof (backing up original claim)
A: Argument against counter-claim (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)
B: Proof (backing up counter-claim)
B: Arugment against Argument (assumed to be true until proven otherwise)

I see what you mean there, but the big bang and evolution do have proof going for them. A fair amount, essentially, I am able to prove both of those more likely than what is found in the bible.

EDIT: There is also a lot of proof that the bible is bullshit, if you want, I can substantiate my claims for the things I mentioned.

Besides that, the idea that the Bible is the word of God and not from the imagination of a person goes against what is typical for books. Why should the burden of proof be on someone to prove it is NOT holy when there are literally tens of millions of books that are not holy?

[Vryko Lakas]

The best usage of Burden of Proof is for those making positive claims which either contradict what is generally accepted or which must be elaborated upon. Not just every single positive claim.

[NykylaiHellray]

If we where around when origion of species was published, this arhument will be in the reversal =/

Funny how things change =/

[Andrzei]

Since, nothing is going I guess I might as well.
I didn't say the bible is 100% bull, I beleive a lot of the things are plausible, but there are some very blatant impossibilities.
THe bible is bullshit: Things the bible says are simply impossible.

#1 Noah's Ark ( a favourite of mine) If Noah did take 2 of every animal, inbreeding would have eventually lead to death. No land animals would exist today !

#2 God gave us a rainbow to show us he'll never flood the entire earth. Bullshit, rainbows are refractions of light in water droplets. What, your telling me the nature of H20 changed somehow ? That it someone how wasn't a polar molecule maybe ? Or maybe it couldn't refract lgiht somehow ? Unless God completely re wrote the laws of chemistry after that event, that's s**t outta luck.

#3 Adam and Eve, this is similar to Noah's Ark. If there was only 2 of them, how could they populate the earth without serious inbreeding ? Oh ? God created more people, it's just not mentioned. Well that's very very convenient. It doesn't say so in the bible, so I don't beleive people should be allowed to add bits and pieces whenever it's convenient.

#4 Jonah. It is impossible to survive being swalled by a whale for that period of time. Impossible. Do you honestly someone can live being swallowed a live by a whale, and then live in it's stomache for a couple days?

#5 The ressurection is impossible. If you die, you are dead. We cannot bring someone back to life when they die. We just cna't , we don't have the technology, and I doubt ancient Romans did either. Really, every scientist, doctor, or anyone who is anyone in the world will tell you that you cannot come back from the grave. Science has prove, that as far as we know, it is impossible to come back from the dead. NO WAY. But I guesss if someone wrote it down, it must be true !

ALright, more stuff when I get back

[NykylaiHellray]

Andrzei

Since, nothing is going I guess I might as well.
I didn't say the bible is 100% bull, I beleive a lot of the things are plausible, but there are some very blatant impossibilities.
THe bible is bullshit: Things the bible says are simply impossible.

#1 Noah's Ark ( a favourite of mine) If Noah did take 2 of every animal, inbreeding would have eventually lead to death. No land animals would exist today !

#2 God gave us a rainbow to show us he'll never flood the entire earth. Bullshit, rainbows are refractions of light in water droplets. What, your telling me the nature of H20 changed somehow ? That it someone how wasn't a polar molecule maybe ? Or maybe it couldn't refract lgiht somehow ? Unless God completely re wrote the laws of chemistry after that event, that's s**t outta luck.

#3 Adam and Eve, this is similar to Noah's Ark. If there was only 2 of them, how could they populate the earth without serious inbreeding ? Oh ? God created more people, it's just not mentioned. Well that's very very convenient. It doesn't say so in the bible, so I don't beleive people should be allowed to add bits and pieces whenever it's convenient.

#4 Jonah. It is impossible to survive being swalled by a whale for that period of time. Impossible. Do you honestly someone can live being swallowed a live by a whale, and then live in it's stomache for a couple days?

#5 The ressurection is impossible. If you die, you are dead. We cannot bring someone back to life when they die. We just cna't , we don't have the technology, and I doubt ancient Romans did either. Really, every scientist, doctor, or anyone who is anyone in the world will tell you that you cannot come back from the grave. Science has prove, that as far as we know, it is impossible to come back from the dead. NO WAY. But I guesss if someone wrote it down, it must be true !

ALright, more stuff when I get back

Apparently noahs arc was nicked from hinduism. The flood though is plausible. Apparently there was a great flood (not to the extent of the bible though, but still vicous).

[TrueSacredRahXephon]

NykylaiHellray

If we where around when origion of species was published, this arhument will be in the reversal =/

Funny how things change =/

Well, scientists pretty much accepted evolution immediately, since it MADE biology make sense.

It's just the ignorant people that have no idea what evolution is that didn't accept it right away. And unfortunately, many badly termed concepts and ignorance of major concepts of evolution makes it very unlikely that everyone will accept evolution anytime soon.

[NykylaiHellray]

TrueSacredRahXephon

NykylaiHellray

If we where around when origion of species was published, this arhument will be in the reversal =/

Funny how things change =/

Well, scientists pretty much accepted evolution immediately, since it MADE biology make sense.

It's just the ignorant people that have no idea what evolution is that didn't accept it right away. And unfortunately, many badly termed concepts and ignorance of major concepts of evolution makes it very unlikely that everyone will accept evolution anytime soon.

Unless religion suddenly stopped then maybe =P....religion means there will always be some that follow it blindly.

[Nuitari Ash]

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#5 The ressurection is impossible. If you die, you are dead. We cannot bring someone back to life when they die. We just cna't , we don't have the technology, and I doubt ancient Romans did either. Really, every scientist, doctor, or anyone who is anyone in the world will tell you that you cannot come back from the grave. Science has prove, that as far as we know, it is impossible to come back from the dead. NO WAY. But I guesss if someone wrote it down, it must be true !

Not true. You can technically be dead and still live. I believe these are called near death experiences...however, to the exent that Jesus was said to have done is not plausable.