Evolution: Fact Or Fiction

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[BlackShadow03]

Azure_Lightz

Vryko Lakas

Azure_Lightz

But, you can't really say that it's dishonest

Yes.
I.
Can.

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...because it is still said by scientists to be a theory so it wouldn't be false.

Let's get a couple of things straight here.
1) Creationism is not a theory.
2) Theory doesn't mean "well it's not proven."

Do the titles "Theory of Evolution" and "Theory of Creationism" mean anything?

It's not titled the Theory of Creationism. It's not even the Hypothesis of Creationism. It's just Creationism.......and you won't see any scientific backing anywhere.

[BlackShadow03]

Redlancer

Evolution fact or fiction?

There certianly might be alot of facts around supporting evolution, but i'd like to point out one singular phrase

The missing link

The fact is they haven't been able to come up with proof positive that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor, theres gaps in the chain of evolution, that in my opinion are too glaring to overlook.

But on the other hand I do believe in evolution of other species, andI believe in darwinisim.

Some things in the bible aren't meant to be taken literally. After all, God obeys his own rules of creation, meaning he has to make things in a way that fits the rules of the universe.

This link may be the one you're missing....... wink

[Ihavenoarmz]

Azure_Lightz

I think(since I've read the Bible and am a believer of it) that it makes a bit more sense than Evolution

Yeah, being magically created fully-formed out of clay by some hypothetical higher being written about in one "holy book" among hundres of others makes much more sense than a set of well-crafted theories supported by mountains of evidence.

But of course, if you want to believe the moon is made of cheese, it's your right to ignore any and every evidence of the contrary, and I can't legaly persecute you for it.

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because I've never exactly found a tie between us and animals(I mean a close knit tie)

Did you miss the billions of common traits you share with most (all?) vertebrates, the millions more you share with tetrapodes, the thousands more you share with mammals, the hundreds more you share with primates, and the dozens more you share with apes? It's true that they're usually overlooked, because they're so common, but they're here, and they're important.
Actually, I don't know what kind of tie you're looking for. Or maybe you mean a "link".

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but I see miracles and things almost every day.

While I have no doubts that you see things everyday, I wonder what kind of miracles you witness.

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Science said my grandpa was gonna die, but he's been getting better every day.

Well, I doubt a doctor randomly blurted out "Your grandpa has a 100% chance of dying from cause X and/or Y"
Anyway, there are many things that can make a medical diagnosis inaccurate. Wrong interpretation, blatant incompentence, human error, malfunction of the devices... as well as lack of data. Data on your grandpa, I mean.
It doesn't mean that the science behind the diagnosis is false though.

Also, I loathe bursting happy bubbles, but how do you know he's getting better? He can look perfectly happy and energetic while cancer or whatever is chewing away at him. Oh, and if it's the conclusion of the doctor who made the first, false diagnosis, well, you may not want to believe it too much, eh?

[Vryko Lakas]

Azure_Lightz

Do the titles "Theory of Evolution" and "Theory of Creationism" mean anything?

It means that you've been listening to some ignorant or dishonest huckster is trying to set a valid, supported scientific Theory (which explains an observed, documented fact) as being equal to an idea that has no evidence, cannot be tested, does not work under the rigors of scientific methodology, and in some forms is actually contradictory to the facts we have.
That's what it means to me.
There is not "Theory of Creationism" as science uses the word "Theory." And Theories are not excluded from being facts.
http://newton.nap.edu/html/creationism/conclusion.html
http://newton.nap.edu/html/creationism/introduction.html
http://www.evolution.mbdojo.com/theory.html
http://wilstar.com/theories.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_fact-and-theory.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/lenski.html#Primer

Redlancer

The missing link

A misleading misnomer. We have many many examples of "links" that have been found, which by definition are no longer missing links. We have enough of these to establish pathways of evolution from fish to amphibians, amphibians to reptiles, reptiles to mammals and birds, and from earlier exinct primates to humans (not to mention the evolution of horses, and the evolution of whales from land animals).

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The fact is they haven't been able to come up with proof positive that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor...

A) It's humans and apes you're thinking of.
B) O RLY?

[BlackShadow03]

Vryko Lakas

Azure_Lightz

Do the titles "Theory of Evolution" and "Theory of Creationism" mean anything?

It means that you've been listening to some ignorant or dishonest huckster is trying to set a valid, supported scientific Theory (which explains an observed, documented fact) as being equal to an idea that has no evidence, cannot be tested, does not work under the rigors of scientific methodology, and in some forms is actually contradictory to the facts we have.
That's what it means to me.
There is not "Theory of Creationism" as science uses the word "Theory." And Theories are not excluded from being facts.
http://newton.nap.edu/html/creationism/conclusion.html
http://newton.nap.edu/html/creationism/introduction.html
http://www.evolution.mbdojo.com/theory.html
http://wilstar.com/theories.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_fact-and-theory.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/lenski.html#Primer

Redlancer

The missing link

A misleading misnomer. We have many many examples of "links" that have been found, which by definition are no longer missing links. We have enough of these to establish pathways of evolution from fish to amphibians, amphibians to reptiles, reptiles to mammals and birds, and from earlier exinct primates to humans (not to mention the evolution of horses, and the evolution of whales from land animals).

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The fact is they haven't been able to come up with proof positive that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor...

A) It's humans and apes you're thinking of.
B) O RLY?

I was wondering when you'd finally chime in! blaugh

[Vryko Lakas]

Well I was feeling lazy so I didn't want to have to go diving in my Evolution favorites folder just to pull out a bunch of links if I didn't have to.

[Lisa in Wonderland]

I'm not saying that God isn't real or that the Bible could be propaganda but it was written by humans.... Anyways even back when I was extremely religious I believed (and still believe) that some Godly like force (that could be God) created the Universe, our planet, and then micro-organisms that slowly evolved into other creatures that slowly evolved into other creatures and so on and so forth until they became the human race. There is proof of evolution, most people are just oblivious to it.

[Epic Azure]

Lisa in Wonderland

I'm not saying that God isn't real or that the Bible could be propaganda but it was written by humans.... Anyways even back when I was extremely religious I believed (and still believe) that some Godly like force (that could be God) created the Universe, our planet, and then micro-organisms that slowly evolved into other creatures that slowly evolved into other creatures and so on and so forth until they became the human race. There is proof of evolution, most people are just oblivious to it.

There is some insight. God created things that evolved, eh? That would prove Creationism and Evolution to be true. I tip my hat to you miss. 3nodding

[Ihavenoarmz]

Azure_Lightz

Lisa in Wonderland

I'm not saying that God isn't real or that the Bible could be propaganda but it was written by humans.... Anyways even back when I was extremely religious I believed (and still believe) that some Godly like force (that could be God) created the Universe, our planet, and then micro-organisms that slowly evolved into other creatures that slowly evolved into other creatures and so on and so forth until they became the human race. There is proof of evolution, most people are just oblivious to it.

There is some insight. God created things that evolved, eh? That would prove Creationism and Evolution to be true. I tip my hat to you miss. 3nodding

I would be much more impressed if the idea hadn't been expressed countless times in the last, oh, 80 decades or something.
I don't think you can call it Creationism though. and uh, no, it would definetely not PROVE creationism to be true.

[chikushou]

MyxineDamion

Azure_Lightz

Lisa in Wonderland

I'm not saying that God isn't real or that the Bible could be propaganda but it was written by humans.... Anyways even back when I was extremely religious I believed (and still believe) that some Godly like force (that could be God) created the Universe, our planet, and then micro-organisms that slowly evolved into other creatures that slowly evolved into other creatures and so on and so forth until they became the human race. There is proof of evolution, most people are just oblivious to it.

There is some insight. God created things that evolved, eh? That would prove Creationism and Evolution to be true. I tip my hat to you miss. 3nodding

I would be much more impressed if the idea hadn't been expressed countless times in the last, oh, 80 decades or something.
I don't think you can call it Creationism though. and uh, no, it would definetely not PROVE creationism to be true.

It's theistic evolution, which does involve creationism, just the creationism that doesn't say, "NOOO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE IS TEH BS!!11"

[Ihavenoarmz]

chikushou

MyxineDamion

Azure_Lightz

Lisa in Wonderland

I'm not saying that God isn't real or that the Bible could be propaganda but it was written by humans.... Anyways even back when I was extremely religious I believed (and still believe) that some Godly like force (that could be God) created the Universe, our planet, and then micro-organisms that slowly evolved into other creatures that slowly evolved into other creatures and so on and so forth until they became the human race. There is proof of evolution, most people are just oblivious to it.

There is some insight. God created things that evolved, eh? That would prove Creationism and Evolution to be true. I tip my hat to you miss. 3nodding

I would be much more impressed if the idea hadn't been expressed countless times in the last, oh, 80 decades or something.
I don't think you can call it Creationism though. and uh, no, it would definetely not PROVE creationism to be true.

It's theistic evolution, which does involve creationism, just the creationism that doesn't say, "NOOO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE IS TEH BS!!11"

I don't know. It depends on how strong the influence of God is supposed to be.

[Saen Alkest]

Lisa in Wonderland

I'm not saying that God isn't real or that the Bible could be propaganda but it was written by humans.... Anyways even back when I was extremely religious I believed (and still believe) that some Godly like force (that could be God) created the Universe, our planet, and then micro-organisms that slowly evolved into other creatures that slowly evolved into other creatures and so on and so forth until they became the human race. There is proof of evolution, most people are just oblivious to it.

Bible didn't say God created micro-organisms that evolved.
You're going to hell for defying your god, =D

[SUPERSQUIRRELX]

Azure_Lightz

Lisa in Wonderland

I'm not saying that God isn't real or that the Bible could be propaganda but it was written by humans.... Anyways even back when I was extremely religious I believed (and still believe) that some Godly like force (that could be God) created the Universe, our planet, and then micro-organisms that slowly evolved into other creatures that slowly evolved into other creatures and so on and so forth until they became the human race. There is proof of evolution, most people are just oblivious to it.

There is some insight. God created things that evolved, eh? That would prove Creationism and Evolution to be true. I tip my hat to you miss. 3nodding

They can't co-exist, because either the Bible is true or it isn't. There isn't a middle ground.

[maybecca]

SUPERSQUIRRELX

They can't co-exist, because either the Bible is true or it isn't. There isn't a middle ground.

Most christians would disagree with you. Most christians have no problem accepting that parts of the bible are metaphorical, such as the creation myth. Claiming that you every bit of the bible has to be absolutely literally true or it's all lies is, quite frankly, a silly position to take. We know that some of the events in the bible took place, and some people believe in the god described by it. However, we know that some of it did not happen.

If you cling to your particular interpretation of the bible as being literally true in all ways, then you are denying observed reality - we know for a fact that the earth is older than the bible says, we know that there could not have been a global flood, and we know that woman was not created from man's ribs.

[teen_1986]

SUPERSQUIRRELX

Azure_Lightz

Lisa in Wonderland

I'm not saying that God isn't real or that the Bible could be propaganda but it was written by humans.... Anyways even back when I was extremely religious I believed (and still believe) that some Godly like force (that could be God) created the Universe, our planet, and then micro-organisms that slowly evolved into other creatures that slowly evolved into other creatures and so on and so forth until they became the human race. There is proof of evolution, most people are just oblivious to it.

There is some insight. God created things that evolved, eh? That would prove Creationism and Evolution to be true. I tip my hat to you miss. 3nodding

They can't co-exist, because either the Bible is true or it isn't. There isn't a middle ground.

That Catholic Church and many other Christians would disagree with you there. The two can co-exist. The Bible doesn't say anything to contradict evolution, and evolution doesn't disprove the Bible.