Evolution: Fact Or Fiction

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[A Soporific]

I think there4 I am

A Soporific

I think there4 I am

Queen of the tigers

ive seen alot of monkeys. ive never seen any of them turn in to men.

yeah about this....does anyone know why(if there is evelution) then why didn't all the apes evolv...... sweatdrop

They did evolve. Some ape ancestors evolved into humans, others evovled into modern apes. Modern apes are very different from those that previously existed, just as humans are very different from what we once were.

but why not all of them....... ? Is it becuase they where in different locations...where they different species.....different needs...does anyone know?

The most commonly accepted theory is that the common ancestor between humans and apes were primarily forrest dwellers. They were very fast up trees, but pre-humans got caught in a climate change. Most of the trees died, leaving stands of trees with wide open plain around them. Many apes can walk upright over short distances or with some help. We were just the first to do it constantly. With the height advantage, we were able to see things coming at us on the plains between stands of trees much better. We really haven't pinned down why we are so much bigger on tool use and language than the other great apes, maybe that doesn't have a scientific answer or maybe we just haven't figured out enough about ourselves and apes yet.

We have an inkling as to why we might be different, but hard proof is hard to come by simply because it is so difficult to find fossil remains. Perhapse some new techniques using unexpressesed genes as markers will tell us more.

[Vryko Lakas]

I think there4 I am

but why not all of them....... ? Is it becuase they where in different locations...where they different species.....different needs...does anyone know?

1) Environment. Early human ancestors lived first the in forests, like modern great apes, but then it's thought they inhabited the growing Savannah, a great grassy plain that offered little to no protection or hiding places and less accessible foods.
2) One of the engines that drives Evolution is random mutation. We would not expect all apes to get the mutations that let them walk upright and increase their brain size.
3) Walking upright came first, by the way. It probably helped human ancestors cover greater distances over the flat grassy plains than knuckle walking, which is what all modern apes do on the ground. Humans are built to be long-distance walkers compared to our living relatives. It also frees up the front limbs to be used as arms instead of legs, allowing for greater dexterity in the hands, which allows for better use of tools. Tools predate mankind, and even modern apes will occasionally make and use tools, but only in the human line do we see purpose-built, specialized stone tools (as opposed to picking up a handy rock to crack nuts with).

[shadowcthuhlu]

Jaaten Syric

shadowcthuhlu

A Lost Iguana

shadowcthulhu

I believe in evolution. I also believe God created the laws of nature knowing what they would produce.

Ever met Epicurus?

No. Can you tell me more about him?

Here You Go

Thank you.

[Haerodiel]

Ok, I'v seen a lot of people say "yes, I believe in evolution" or "no, I believe in God" and a few people "I believe in both". Now, I havn't read all the pages, but from what I'v seen, no one is supporting very strongly what they believe. I personally, can't stand believing somthing, and not knowing why.

I believe in both God, and evolution. It's possible that both can be true. First of all:
It is a scientific law that caos cannot change to order. As in, the Big Bang cannot create anything. But there's one exception to the law: intelegence. So, the law actually is, caos cannot become order without intelegence being involved. For example, say ur parents tell u 2 clean your room. Would u let an angry bull run around in it? No! that wouls just make it messier. You need to use your intelegence to pick the items up to put them exactly where they belong.

Also, the creatures God created in the bible, are in the same order scientists think evolution occured. God took a rib from Adam and made Eve, why couldn't he taking an organism and make another? But if he just did it once, that would explain why we have similarities between species, yet no evoultion now.

Plus, why would there be species so similar if there was not evolution? Birds and reptiles have very similar body structures, and scientists are sure they r related. (birds even have scales on their feet) Some scientists even consider birds, reptiles with feathers. But, (this is a side thought) they don't know reptiles changed into birds. In other words, they don't know what came between. I think dragons. xd

So the way I see it, God said let there be light, and *BANG* there was light!

[Vryko Lakas]

Haerodiel

First of all:
It is a scientific law that caos cannot change to order.

No, it isn't. Order arises from chaos all the time. I think you're misunderstanding the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that the total ENTROPY (not chaos) of a closed system will increase. This does not preclude local decreases of entropy within the system so long as it's balanced out with increasing entropy elsewhere within the system. It also doesn't apply to any sort of open system. If order didn't arise from chaos, we wouldn't get regular crystalline structures, or much of anything else for that matter. You don't need to invoke a deity to explain it, that's called "God of the Gaps" where you look at things not yet understood and say "Well, that's God's doing right there." Then, when somebody eventually figures out how it can work without God, you have to pull back and retreat to another unknown. God of the Gaps is an insult to both science and religion.

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As in, the Big Bang cannot create anything.

I'm curious to know what you think the Big Bang even is.

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But there's one exception to the law: intelegence. So, the law actually is, caos cannot become order without intelegence being involved.

I guess saltwater is purty smrt, because I can set a chaotic mixture of salt and water in a glass on the windowsill, and the next day I'll have a lot of orderly salt crystals.

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Also, the creatures God created in the bible, are in the same order scientists think evolution occured.

Not quite. The Genesis account has a few things out of order. For example, fruiting plants only came about AFTER land creatures, yet Genesis has them coming about first. Same with grasses.

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God took a rib from Adam and made Eve, why couldn't he taking an organism and make another? But if he just did it once, that would explain why we have similarities between species, yet no evoultion now.

Except we do have Evolution now. We can see it happening.

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But, (this is a side thought) they don't know reptiles changed into birds. In other words, they don't know what came between. I think dragons. xd

Actually it was dinosaurs.

[szechuan86]

Thief101.9

FromFirstToLast_Rock

Evolution is in direct opposition to the Bible. To claim to believe in God and evolution is tragic. How can you profess faith in God, but not His divine Word? If you claim to believe in God but not the Bible, then I seriously question the identity of your god. The New Age movement has their own god, but it is not the Lord Jesus Christ. The Islamic Muslims claim to believe in Allah (god), but it is not the Lord Jesus Christ. You see my friend, you have to have faith in the true and living God. Having faith in God is only good if it's faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to forgive your sins. James 2:19 tells us that the devils believe in God. Big deal, many unsaved people believe in God! Have you ever realized that you were a sinner, bound for an eternal hell without Christ? Did you call upon the name of Jesus to forgive those sins and save your soul from hell? If not, please do so now and don't wait another minute. Don't risk spending an eternity in the lake of fire. You've got nothing to lose, salvation is a free gift from God...paid for by the precious blood of Jesus.

no it's satanism, satanism is the exact opposition of the bible, beleiving in yourself is the exact opposition of the bible.
because in the bible they say satan's ultimate goal is to get yourself away from god. and i hate that because it's basically saying that everything else like buddishm is satan because it singles out everything but yourself that teaches minimalistic teachings.

Do you realize that some people just don't care about Heaven or Hell?
that some people do not have the same teachings are you desier? i'm studying budhism and so far it makes more sense then the bible in my opinion and personally i beleive in karma and i beleive that you should not say Jesus forgive those sins and save your souls from hell because i also beleive that if you are truly Sorry you make amends with yourself and other people by yourself.

[Inatyrb]

Having an opinion is ok, but saying its the truth isn't ok. I am athiest. I am still figuring out my beliefs, but what i do know is that I do not believe in god. I have my reasons. Now, telling people your beliefs are wrong. I like people who believe in god, because that is what they trully believe, but forcing it upon someone... no not an option of mine. Not liking. Lol.. yeah.. that's my opinion. Now about me not believing in god, I am not going to go an start that, i will not reason. It will cause arguements, and I don't like that... ninja

[LOL shutterBUG]

I believe we all evolved from lesser creatures.

I do not believe God created us.
In fact, I do not believe in God at all.

[Andrzei]

I do not beleive in any supernatural forces, be they God, Allah, or or less mainstream religious figures.

There are mountains and mountains of evidence for evolution. It IS a fact, we just don't know every detail yet.

[Empress Nikki the Fae]

Andrzei

God, Allah,

Psst. Same god.

[Andrzei]

Fae Ascendant

Andrzei

God, Allah,

Psst. Same god.

Psst, lots of people will disagree

[Shatari]

Andrzei

Fae Ascendant

Andrzei

God, Allah,

Psst. Same god.

Psst, lots of people will disagree

Yes, but that doesn't make them right. YHWH=YHWH, no matter what the interpretations are.

[Andrzei]

Shatari

Andrzei

Fae Ascendant

Andrzei

God, Allah,

Psst. Same god.

Psst, lots of people will disagree

Yes, but that doesn't make them right. YHWH=YHWH, no matter what the interpretations are.

I disagree, I beleive that if God and Allah were to exist, they'd be separate beings, they share many similar traits, hey, the Quran and bible are really very close but there are fundamental differences(what with Islam being based off of Christianity)


Jesus is the messiah and the son of God, while according to the Quran he was a prophet, a lesser prophet than Muhammed. According to the bible(though it does not say that, but Mohammed did fit the criteria) Mohammed was a false prophet, what with Jesus not being the messiah. So basically, you'd have 1 god with 2 different doctrines.

Or else YHWH=every diety ever, the interpretations are different.

[Help Me Get Over You]

Personally, I believe in evolution. It makes sense, can be seen in action (london subway mosquitoes evolved to be incapable of breeding with normal mosquitoes), whereas spontaeneous existance sounds a bit fishy to me. After all, who created God (Yaweh, Allah, w/e)? An entity cannot create itself. (unless you've watched Futurama *nice going, Mr. I'm-my-own-grandpa!*) And while it may be that there is a God, gods, higher-order dimensional being, or invisible flying spaghetti monster, it has yet to be proven or reasonalby deduced that they exist. You cannot ask me believe that there was an almighty God who created the world in 6 24-hour days, or that the earth is only 6000 years old. Its total bullshit. Literal interpretation of the Bible is for nutcases and people who have been dropped on the head too many times. The lessons of Bible is all well and good, even beneficial to society (except for those people who say that Gay marriage and abortion are beyond one's own choices. Communist bastards....) It is the morals we should be taking out of the Bible, not some half-assed story about getting swallowed by a whale and living to tell the tale.

Note: I am not a Jew, nor do i subscribe to any Judaism-derived faith. Nor am a member of any organized religion. I am the single member of a self-founded religion. (otherwise know as an agnostic who is sick of God" wink

[NoSuchCreature]

Andrzei

I disagree, I beleive that if God and Allah were to exist, they'd be separate beings, they share many similar traits, hey, the Quran and bible are really very close but there are fundamental differences(what with Islam being based off of Christianity)


Jesus is the messiah and the son of God, while according to the Quran he was a prophet, a lesser prophet than Muhammed. According to the bible(though it does not say that, but Mohammed did fit the criteria) Mohammed was a false prophet, what with Jesus not being the messiah. So basically, you'd have 1 god with 2 different doctrines.

Or else YHWH=every diety ever, the interpretations are different.

So...Judaism, whose doctrine doesn't even regard Jesus as a prophet, isn't worshipping the same god as Christianity either?