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Evolution doesn't produce perfection. There's no such thing in natural world.
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Benjammn it might not exist yet... It won't. Evolution attunes organisms to their specific environments and niches. Changing conditions make such specialization a dangerous thing, and more than one "perfect" organism has found itself unable to adapt and go the way of the megalodon. |
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Vryko Lakas Benjammn it might not exist yet... It won't. Evolution attunes organisms to their specific environments and niches. Changing conditions make such specialization a dangerous thing, and more than one "perfect" organism has found itself unable to adapt and go the way of the megalodon. And look what happened to Metroid Prime... ninja (Another one of those "had to do it" moments). |
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Science suggest the theory of decay which states that everything is dying as soon as it was created. If so, then evolution would be the exact opposite and thus, you have contradiction. Also, notice that pure bred dogs are likely to get certain defects and humans can no longer inter-marry. This all suggests that as organisms on this planet, we are deteriorating, not evolving.
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Thaddaeus Science suggest the theory of decay which states that everything is dying as soon as it was created. If so, then evolution would be the exact opposite and thus, you have contradiction. Quote: Also, notice that pure bred dogs are likely to get certain defects and humans can no longer inter-marry. This all suggests that as organisms on this planet, we are deteriorating, not evolving. |
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Thaddaeus Science suggest the theory of decay which states that everything is dying as soon as it was created. If so, then evolution would be the exact opposite and thus, you have contradiction. Also, notice that pure bred dogs are likely to get certain defects and humans can no longer inter-marry. This all suggests that as organisms on this planet, we are deteriorating, not evolving. Inbreeding is not evolving. It is merely multiple-recessive genes expressing. Something that doesn't normally happen when you are mixing two significantly different sets. |
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FromFirstToLast_Rock Hey heart I used to believe that Humans evolved from Apes. That all life came from single celled Organisms called Amoebas. Now I believe that god created us all, and the bible is fact. I just wanted to know your opinions out there. Try to back up your idea... mrgreen Oh yea, and i hope that you realize that Evolution is a mere theory. It's not really something you can experiment, or have a hypothesis on as well. It's all THEORY, it isn't even proven as actual FACT. There is no HARDCORE EVIDENCE of the theory as well. This a little something by a man named David J. Stewart Evolution makes no sense at all. I just don't see how any intelligent person could believe such nonsense. I mean, have you ever seen an ape that could be taught to do algebra? No! Other than the most basic skills (which a dog can also be taught), an ape does not have the capacity to learn anywhere near the human level. Apes are dumb! You can say a dog is smart (and it might be), but it can't logic like a human being can. Furthermore, if we evolved from a lower species, then why is it that the apes didn't evolve in the evolutionary process? Come on folks, you don't need a PHD (post hole digger) to figure this out. Where are all those half man/half ape fossils which should be abundant in the earth's soil layers? They don't exist. This is what is known as the "missing link" by evolutionists. Notice that I didn't call them "scientists" because there is NOTHING scientific about evolution. Science by it's very definition means "the study of." To "study" something, it must be observable. Not only is evolution not observable, it is not testable or repeatable in a lab. Do you realize that evolutionists CANNOT display even ONE single proof of evolution...NOT ONE! Dinosaur fossils don't prove anything except that they existed. Whether dinosaurs existed in Biblical times or during a pre-Adamic period is debatable amongst theologians. Many preachers believe that Lucifer operated a kingdom upon the earth prior to Genesis 1:2. The Bible does support this theory with credible evidence. This is commonly known as the "gap theory." Regardless, the fact that dinosaurs once inhabited this earth adds no credibility to the THEORY of evolution. Evolution is for stupid people, stupid because they refuse to acknowledge the Word of God in their life. There is NO WAY you can believe the Bible and evolution. But you say, "what about 'theistic evolution' where God created everything and then allowed it to evolve? I'm glad you asked. There is no such teaching found in the Bible. Genesis chapter one is very clear that God created this earth as we know it today in 6 days. "IF" there was a pre-Adamic creation, it was destroyed according to Genesis 1:2. I won't be dogmatic as to whether or not there was a pre-Adamic time period, but the Bible is certainly dogmatic that all life on this earth today was created within the six days of creation. The Bible is very accurate in it's chronology. The Bible dates itself from creation up until the end of the Old Testament. The Bible dates creation at approximately 4,000 B.C. This means that all life on earth today was created about 6,000 years ago! There was no evolutionary process! There is nothing to prove the THEORY of evolution (and that's all evolution really is...a bogus theory). The fact that the "theory" of evolution is missing a critical link (the "missing link" wink should speak volumes as to the credibility of such a wild theory. The "missing link" is the Neanderthal man (the ape man). There is simply NO evidence of such theories. The few skeletal remains which have been dug up and claimed to be prehistoric could easily be the fossil remains of modern men. Bone structure also varies from one ethnic background to another. It is very possible to dig up a skeleton with more rounded bones (which is more common in African anatomy). This is NO evidence of evolution, but of variances in human anatomy. East Asian people (such as China) have very unique facial features which are more pronounced. Evolutionists have not discovered a Neanderthal man! You can believe anything if you repeat it to yourself long enough. Many people want to believe evolution because it relives them of the horrifying possibility that there might actually be a holy God watching how we live. Whether you believe there is a God or not, the thought of both possibilities is very freighting. I believe in God. Even today, this world is filled with simple one-cell structured living organisms. Why didn't they evolve? Furthermore, if evolution were true, then you would think that different groups of animals could naturally breed. A horse and a giraffe cannot breed offspring. A cat and a dog cannot breed offspring. Only through modern genetic DNA tampering can scientists play God and create monsters. Do a web search under "spider goats" if you want to be freaked out. Then read up on "Frankenfoods." Agricultural scientists have created potatoes that produce their own internal pesticides from silk moth DNA genetically placed into the potatoes. The moths die when they eat the potatoes...yummy. Do you know what you're eating? The same is true of genetically altered corn. There is a God! How do I know? Simply because He lives in my heart. At age 12, I was receptive to the Holy Spirit's conviction in my heart that I needed to get saved. I willingly accepted Christ as my personal Saviour. I hadn't had my faith shaken yet by some godless teacher or professor. I thank God that I trusted Jesus. I had faith in God as a teenager back then and I still have faith in God as an adult today. I thank God I was saved at an early age before the pride of life blinded me. You see, as adults we tend to become proud and stubborn, Satan blinds our minds with worldly thinking (2nd Corinthians 4:4). It is people's sinful pride and love for sin that hinders them from being saved (John 3:20). More people will probably burn in hell because of stubborn pride than anything else. I am older and wiser today. I think for myself. I refuse to vote Democrat or Republican...it's all an evil bipartisan conspiracy which is destroying America. There's not a dime's difference between the parties anyway. I'll vote for the Constitutional party. At least I can look at myself in the mirror. People say, but you'll waste your vote. Yeah, if I vote Republican or Democrat I will. I think for myself. I think this drug-dealing government needs to be cleaned up. I think the Federal Reserve needs to be abolished. I think property taxes are wrong and unconstitutional. I think America should control it's own national parks and not the United Nations. I think we should fight for our First Amendment rights which we're quickly losing. I think for myself. I just don't see any credibility to the THEORY of evolution. Give me some proof and I'll believe it. On the contrary, thousands upon thousands of scrolls of the Bible have been discovered throughout the holy land. They all agree with each other. The Bible and history accurately coincide. How could one book written by 40 men over a 1,500 year time period be so accurate. Most of those men didn't know each other. The Bible is a perfectly interlocking prophetic puzzle, a masterpiece of literature. Further, the Bible is the ONLY book on the face of this earth which addresses the sinfulness of mankind and our need for a Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. It's been said that man wouldn't write the Bible if he could, and couldn't if he would. There is no book which even compares. The Qur'an contains NO prophecy. The Qur'an is obviously biased against Christians and Jews. The Word of God is not biased against anyone. Evolution is in direct opposition to the Bible. To claim to believe in God and evolution is tragic. How can you profess faith in God, but not His divine Word? If you claim to believe in God but not the Bible, then I seriously question the identity of your god. The New Age movement has their own god, but it is not the Lord Jesus Christ. The Islamic Muslims claim to believe in Allah (god), but it is not the Lord Jesus Christ. You see my friend, you have to have faith in the true and living God. Having faith in God is only good if it's faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to forgive your sins. James 2:19 tells us that the devils believe in God. Big deal, many unsaved people believe in God! Have you ever realized that you were a sinner, bound for an eternal hell without Christ? Did you call upon the name of Jesus to forgive those sins and save your soul from hell? If not, please do so now and don't wait another minute. Don't risk spending an eternity in the lake of fire. You've got nothing to lose, salvation is a free gift from God...paid for by the precious blood of Jesus. |
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i believe in microevolution and Natural Selection, but not macroevolution, and its possible i could have micro and macro backwards since it has been a long time since i learned about them, i sincerely apologize if i do
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Thief101.9 Oh yea, and i hope that you realize that Evolution is a mere theory. Quote: There is no HARDCORE EVIDENCE of the theory as well. Quote: This a little something by a man named David J. Stewart Quote: Furthermore, if we evolved from a lower species, then why is it that the apes didn't evolve in the evolutionary process? Quote: Come on folks, you don't need a PHD (post hole digger) to figure this out. Quote: Many preachers believe that Lucifer operated a kingdom upon the earth prior to Genesis 1:2. Quote: Evolution is for stupid people, stupid because they refuse to acknowledge the Word of God in their life. Hahahaa Thief. Honestly you find the most stupidly funny stuff on the net. |
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Thief101.9 Do you realize that evolutionists CANNOT display even ONE single proof of evolution...NOT ONE! Yes they can. The simple one. We have seen things evolve. Again. WE HAVE SEEN THINGS EVOLVE. One last time. WE HAVE SEEN THINGS EVOLVE |
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Maze1125 Thief101.9 Do you realize that evolutionists CANNOT display even ONE single proof of evolution...NOT ONE! Yes they can. The simple one. We have seen things evolve. Again. WE HAVE SEEN THINGS EVOLVE. One last time. WE HAVE SEEN THINGS EVOLVE |
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SUPERSQUIRRELX Maze1125 Thief101.9 Do you realize that evolutionists CANNOT display even ONE single proof of evolution...NOT ONE! Yes they can. The simple one. We have seen things evolve. Again. WE HAVE SEEN THINGS EVOLVE. One last time. WE HAVE SEEN THINGS EVOLVE And despite your lovely, barely-even-sarcastic strawman fallacy, I don't see you explaining why Monsanto continuously changes the formula of the pesticides in round-up ready corn. Hint-hint: the bugs weren't just sipping orange juice to become immune to the last batch of spray. |
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My God, there is so much ignorance and stupidity on this page I don't know where I should even begin. The worst part is that all this has been covered before! Time and time and time and time and time and time again in Science and Tech, Main ED, and Morality and Religion this same s**t has been rehashed, often with the same players.
I have lost my patience. No more Mr. Nice Guy. Soul Reflection i believe in microevolution and Natural Selection, but not macroevolution ... Thief101.9 Oh yea, and i hope that you realize that Evolution is a mere theory. It's not really something you can experiment, or have a hypothesis on as well. It's all THEORY, it isn't even proven as actual FACT. There is no HARDCORE EVIDENCE of the theory as well. You two need to shut up until you have the facts. Evolution is a Fact and Theory. Evolution is a Fact and Theory. Evolution is a Fact and Theory. Further Explanation of a Scientific Theory. Because if you're going to say "it's just a Theory!" know what the word means. 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution. A small sampling from various fields of the sciences pointing towards evolution. Observed Instances of Speciation. Some More Observed Instances of Speciation. Speciation is a Macroevolution event, in other words, we have directly seen and documented Macroevolution happening when it creates a new species. Bam. No more of this "we don't know, it's just a theory, there's no evidence, you can't support it or test it or observe it!" bullshit. END OF STORY. Thief, you have NO EXCUSE to be repeating your tripe because I've specifically dealt with you or in the same threads you've posted in before. Thaddaeus Science suggest the theory of decay which states that everything is dying as soon as it was created. Wrong. There is no such "theory." You may be referring to the Thermodynamic phenomenon of increasing Entropy, which is entirely different and does not in any way contradict Evolution. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF001.html Short. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html Longer. Back to Theif for a moment: Thief101.9 This a little something by a man named David J. Stewart Evolution makes no sense at all. I just don't see how any intelligent person could believe such nonsense. I mean, have you ever seen an ape that could be taught to do algebra? No! Other than the most basic skills (which a dog can also be taught), an ape does not have the capacity to learn anywhere near the human level. Apes are dumb! You can say a dog is smart (and it might be), but it can't logic like a human being can. A) Incorrect. Apes are extremely intelligent animals and posses levels of cognition and consciousness that will always elude dogs. Apes, for one, can make and use tools. Our prehuman ancestors happened to be extremely good at this. Apes can form complex linguistic expressions, lacking only syntax. Apes can reocognize their own reflections in a mirror, i.e. some apes are self-aware on a level that dogs are not. B) A completely irrelevant bit of rant that does jack s**t to cast aspersions on the validity of evolution. Quote: Furthermore, if we evolved from a lower species, then why is it that the apes didn't evolve in the evolutionary process? Come on folks, you don't need a PHD (post hole digger) to figure this out. Mr. Stewart seems to be so ******** ignorant that he can't grasp the idea that MAN DID NOT EVOLVE FROM MODERN APES ACCORDING TO EVOLUTION. We wouldn't expect modern apes to be evolving into people. To say that they're NOT evolving is simple dipshittery. They have merely not evolved in the same direction and to the same extent that people did, but to fit their own environments and niches and genetic predispositions better. Nobody said apes had to turn into people eventually, just that some ancient, extinct forms of ape happened to give rise to us. His quip is tantamount to asking why, if modern White Americans sprang from White Europeans, there are still any non-American White Europeans around. Incidentally, it's not a new or even a very clever objection. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC150.html Quote: Where are all those half man/half ape fossils which should be abundant in the earth's soil layers? They don't exist. This is what is known as the "missing link" by evolutionists. Actually, "evolutionists" don't use "missing link." They say "transitional forms," and we happen to have plenty of them for the transition from ancient ape to modern man. Observe. Quote: Notice that I didn't call them "scientists" because there is NOTHING scientific about evolution. Except that it's the basis of modern biology, fits all the requirements of being "scientific," and is accepted by all the major scientific associations worldwide. I mean, it's testable, you can prove it false if it were false, you can observe it happening, you can use it to make predictions that can be tested, and you can revise or discard it if the evidence disagrees with it. It seems your Mr. Steward, however, has a somewhat more retarded and semantic definition of what science is: Quote: Science by it's very definition means "the study of." To "study" something, it must be observable. Not only is evolution not observable, it is not testable or repeatable in a lab. I think I've quite disproven that bullshit false already. Here's some extra. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA210.html http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA201.html http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA202.html If you disagree, speak up or forever hold your peace. Quote: Do you realize that evolutionists CANNOT display even ONE single proof of evolution...NOT ONE! See the above. Quote: Dinosaur fossils don't prove anything except that they existed. Whether dinosaurs existed in Biblical times or during a pre-Adamic period is debatable amongst theologians. Actually it's pretty much BEYOND DEBATE by theologians because science has already settled the matter. http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaurs/dinofossils/Fossildating.html Physics, geology, and biology all say that dinosaurs existed and became extinct millions of years before the first human. I doubt a theologian has anything to debate on the matter. Incidentally, MOST theologians accept this conclusion and don't insist on dinosaurs and humans ever living together. It's the literalists who insist that it had to be so. Most theologians and bible scholars aren't literalists, either. Quote: Regardless, the fact that dinosaurs once inhabited this earth adds no credibility to the THEORY of evolution. Their life, death, and the surivival of their evolutionary descendents (i.e. birds) does, however, and Mr. Stewart has shown a remarkable degree of ignorance and love of non sequitors. Quote: Evolution is for stupid people, stupid because they refuse to acknowledge the Word of God in their life. Do I even NEED to acknowledge this crap? I might just have to say that MANY CHRISTIANS ACCEPT EVOLUTION! Hell, some of them even contributed to the Theory through their work in the sciences. Many scientists, perhaps even MOST in the US, are not atheistic, yet 95% of all of them (and well over 99% of biologists and geologists) accept Evolution. Apparently there's not such a conflict as you describe. Oh gasp. A stupid argument that's easily proven wrong? I, FOR ONE, AM SHOCKED! Quote: There is NO WAY you can believe the Bible and evolution. That's obviously bullshit, since so many people (scientists and theologians included) do. What this is is a form of BIGOTRY that assumes one's own position is right and the validity of any other position is simply impossible. What is impossible is a literal reading of the Bible being compatible with the current Theory of Evolution (as well as many other aspects of the history of Earth and the Universe as science has uncovered them). However, a literal reading is generally very superficial and flimsy in any case. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH055.html http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-god.html Quote: But you say, "what about 'theistic evolution' where God created everything and then allowed it to evolve? I'm glad you asked. There is no such teaching found in the Bible. There is also nothing about cars in the bible. Are we to believe that cars are impossible? What a ******** stupid sentiment. Obviously the Bible can't contain allegory and metaphor, despite the fact that Genesis is FULL of poetic form and symbolic imagery right down to the names of Adam and Eve (which have a metaphorical significance if you know your Hebrew). Oh, except that Galatians 4:24 says that the story of Abraham's line is an allegory. Ooops. Who says we can't take the bible metaphorically in some aspects? Not most bible scholars, that's for sure. Quote: Genesis chapter one is very clear that God created this earth as we know it today in 6 days. "IF" there was a pre-Adamic creation, it was destroyed according to Genesis 1:2. Actually, I don't see Genesis 1:2 as saying anything about "destroying" a previous creation. Sounds like somebody is playing fast and loose and throwing nonliteral interpretations around when it comes to The Bible! surprised Quote: The Bible is very accurate in it's chronology. No, it's not. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH120.html Quote: The Bible dates itself from creation up until the end of the Old Testament. The Bible dates creation at approximately 4,000 B.C. This means that all life on earth today was created about 6,000 years ago! There was no evolutionary process! Nothing according to the Bible? Oh wait, we have this line in Genesis about the Earth bringing forth beasts and plants! Why, that sounds a lot like chemical Abiogenesis to me, you know where nonliving matter eventually became living? Rather like making a person out of mud and clay as opposed to... mud and clay? See Genesis 1:11-24. This suggests that MAYBE, just MAYBE, God created life through the process of Evolution. MAYBE! Quote: There is nothing to prove the THEORY of evolution (and that's all evolution really is...a bogus theory). Debunked already. Quote: The fact that the "theory" of evolution is missing a critical link (the "missing link" wink should speak volumes as to the credibility of such a wild theory. In actuality it speaks volumes to the stupidity and ignorance of the person who wrote this crap. Quote: The "missing link" is the Neanderthal man (the ape man). Actually many anthropologists don't think that Neanderthal man was a direct human ancestor. More like a brother species. Quote: The few skeletal remains which have been dug up and claimed to be prehistoric could easily be the fossil remains of modern men. Bone structure also varies from one ethnic background to another. Except that Neanderthals have some entirely unique features and a robustness not ever found in modern humans. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC051_1.html http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_neands.html Quote: It is very possible to dig up a skeleton with more rounded bones (which is more common in African anatomy). This is NO evidence of evolution, but of variances in human anatomy. Why is it that no living humans look like Neanderthals? Quote: Evolutionists have not discovered a Neanderthal man! Quote: A Neanderthal skull was first discovered in Forbes' Quarry, Gibraltar in 1848, eight years prior to the "original" discovery in a limestone quarry of the Neander Valley (near Düsseldorf) in August, 1856, three years before Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species was published. The type specimen, dubbed Neanderthal 1, consisted of a skull cap, two femora, three bones from the right arm, two from the left arm, part of the left ilium, fragments of a scapula, and ribs. The workers who recovered this material originally thought it to be the remains of a bear. They gave the material to amateur naturalist Johann Karl Fuhlrott, who turned the fossils over to anatomist Hermann Schaafhausen. The discovery was jointly announced in 1857. That discovery is now considered the beginning of paleoanthropology. These and other discoveries led to the idea that these remains were from ancient Europeans who had played an important role in modern human origins. The remains of over 400 Neanderthals have been found since. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_neanderthalensis Quote: You can believe anything if you repeat it to yourself long enough. The author of this bullshit being a case in point, perhaps? Quote: Even today, this world is filled with simple one-cell structured living organisms. Why didn't they evolve? They did you stupid ******** idiotic moron. They evolved into better one-celled organisms. Every single modern prokaryote or eukaryote is an highly evolved organism that is in no way the same as the first single-celled life forms other than being single-celled. All modern germs are the result of evolution, and no original germs are around today. Hello, modern White Europeans that aren't Americans! You shouldn't exist! Quote: Furthermore, if evolution were true, then you would think that different groups of animals could naturally breed. Except that we have something called "speciation" which prevents that. That's how species originate. So no, you wouldn't think that unless you're a grand ******** idiot who doesn't know what the ******** he's talking about. Read Darwin's Origin of Species sometime if you're too uneducated and uninformed to grasp this idea from highschool biology. Seriously, this is just pathetic! The fact that different animals CANNOT interbreed is support for Evolution! It should be noted, however, that closely related types of animals such as wolves and coyotes and modern dogs, CAN interbreed. The reason they can is because they're oh-so-closely related through Evolution. Stupid. (Notice how I said "No More Mr. Nice Guy!" I mean it! I feel especially vindicated since the crap you just posted is so derrogatory, demeaning, and demonstrably wrong.) Quote: A horse and a giraffe cannot breed offspring. They're not closely related, either. Quote: A cat and a dog cannot breed offspring. Nor are they. We wouldn't expect them to be able to. Quote: Only through modern genetic DNA tampering can scientists play God and create monsters. False. Plants hybridize and produce fertile offspring all the time. It's actually happened in animals, too. That's how we get modern hamsters in pet shops: one day, in the natural world without any intervention of mankind, two closely related species of hamster interbred and produced an animal with a chromosome count equal to the sum of the two individual species' chromosome count. Your Mr. Steward has once again shown that he doesn't know what the ******** he's talking about. Quote: I am older and wiser today. I think for myself. Obviously not well enough, I'll remark. Quote: On the contrary, thousands upon thousands of scrolls of the Bible have been discovered throughout the holy land. They all agree with each other. No they don't. There are marked sectarian differences even within some copies of the same books. However, taking this sort of argument and running with it for a minute, there are many many many different fields of science. They all point to the same thing: Evolution is possible, has happened, and continues to happen. Quote: The Bible and history accurately coincide. Not so closely. See previous link. Quote: How could one book written by 40 men over a 1,500 year time period be so accurate. Because for a lot of it they were there? Because a lot of it was a strongly valued oral tradition? Because it was such an important part of their lives that they strove to maintain the stories? Could it be possibly a means of maintaining a common cultural identity that was distinct from those pagan religions around them? Quote: The Bible is a perfectly interlocking prophetic puzzle, a masterpiece of literature. Hah. Quote: Further, the Bible is the ONLY book on the face of this earth which addresses the sinfulness of mankind and our need for a Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. Actually it's not. I believe the Mormons have a different book in addition to the accepted books of the Bible. You can see commercials for it on TV. "Just ask your Mormon neighbor" for a free copy! How much of this s**t must I show to be blatantly false, by the way? Quote: It's been said that man wouldn't write the Bible if he could, and couldn't if he would. A baseless assertion. Quote: There is no book which even compares. The Qur'an contains NO prophecy. The Qur'an is obviously biased against Christians and Jews. The Word of God is not biased against anyone. The author is obviously biased against "evolutionists" and Muslims, for that matter. The Koran has prophecy alright. Quote: Evolution is in direct opposition to the Bible. No, just a literal reading of it, which is batshit insane anyways. Quote: ...paid for by the precious blood of Jesus. Funny, that happens to be Jack Chick's favorite phrase. Any Jack Chick connection with this guy? |
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Vryko Lakas Funny, that happens to be Jack Chick's favorite phrase. Any Jack Chick connection with this guy? |
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