Evolution: Fact Or Fiction

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[FS]

redem

Snow_Faerie13706

I'm working on it!
It's a total of 66 books you know....can't read that in one night!

I realize.

I've read about the first quarter of it.
Back when I was still a catholic.


But reread genesis. Properly. I don't mean stare at the words and speak the sounds.

READ it.

And then tell me that is a literal story.

Then maybe she should read Song of Solomon to clear her mind. Then read Genesis again because a good rereading really brings out the interesting/strange bits.

[XflintX]

Bailey_bob

the bibles a story book, created from ppls imaginations.-proof-
jesus did exsist but him n his 12 diciples were con artests -proof?
for example wen he cured the lepper, he paid som e man to go into th enext town n tell a great story of how he had leppers and jesus cam along and cured it and how he was goin to arive in that ton in a few days. -proof?- -You just made it up from no source-

thats my opinion smile

[XflintX]

So a bunch of dirt was floating around and smushed together to create the Earth. Then Lava came up from the Earth and created the land. Then ashes from the volcanoes flew up and created the atmosphere. Later on, the atmosphere created clouds that rained down and created the ocean, and then by the changing temperature of the water the first organisms came to be. Wait, if jellyfish had to stun fish and eat fish to feed themselves, and fish came after jellyfish then what would jelly fish eat? Plenty of new species came after that like trilobites magically formed from jellyfish and bacteria that still exist today. Later on creatures crawled up on earth and morphed into what we are today and to top it off, it's all it's all based on the "Well Tested" Theory that the Earth and the Moon were created at the same time. Which is not likely (not like it could be tested any way), because if they were formed next to each other it would be very un probable because it would be quite a coincidence that they were created at the same time, If it broke off from the Earth it would be altered, and the shape would be a lot different similar to the shape of the earth and other planets in the solar system, which contradicts how they find the absolute age of fossils. If your not a Christian, or believe in any sort of after life, then how the world started shouldn't concern them any way.

God is the Ultimate Existence who most likely had nothing to create him except for the scientific rule that was something merely like “Every action has the same or opposite reaction” which could be used to be explain the existence of God. The question which this is in response to has been used a lot but can also be used similarly to the concept of evolution by the question: where did the first bit of matter come from? Or where did all the dust floating in space come from? The answer can’t be explained the same way the question about God can because dust is no where near an infinite being that can be created like wise. There would have to be an ultimate existence in order for anything to appear. Such as: a half cup can exist as long as a full cup can. Finite life can only exist if there is an ultimate being to give it purpose and potential.



If we really evolved from monkeys then where are the others in the evolutionary chain? If we evolved from micro organisms every thing would be unstable and constantly changing and mutating uncontrollably or predictably. The new reproductive system, different from a cell reproducing with itself could not have developed suddenly, it wouldn’t have happened. How could organisms stop reproducing with themselves and grow two new reproductive systems, dependant on other reproductive system within the same time period if it took millions of years, along with the theory in evolution that we developed a body that could live much longer than before. To believe that such a reproductive system could form like that would be unlikely, to think it worked and they found each other within the same time period would be insane.



Dinosaurs probably were dragons from the Medieval Times, there skeletal designs seem very similar, and they lived humans as was recorded in the Medieval Times; we believe everything else recorded, why not that? So since they lived at the same time as humans we didn’t evolve from them. The reason for the mass extinction is most likely because they have no reproductive system, but can live for a very long time because of its good body structure, hard scaly rough skin, and they lived in caves. It also says that on the Discovery Channel.

[amacat]

XflintX

Dinosaurs probably were dragons from the Medieval Times, there skeletal designs seem very similar, and they lived humans as was recorded in the Medieval Times; we believe everything else recorded, why not that? So since they lived at the same time as humans we didn’t evolve from them. The reason for the mass extinction is most likely because they have no reproductive system, but can live for a very long time because of its good body structure, hard scaly rough skin, and they lived in caves. It also says that on the Discovery Channel.

You know when the knights had to go "slay the dragon the save the princess" thing was around? I think that's when the dinosaurs were extinct because if you think about it, the knight's missions were infact to kill all the "dragons" (aka dinosaurs). So, yeah, you're right about the Medival Times thing.

[XflintX]

amacat

XflintX

Dinosaurs probably were dragons from the Medieval Times, there skeletal designs seem very similar, and they lived humans as was recorded in the Medieval Times; we believe everything else recorded, why not that? So since they lived at the same time as humans we didn’t evolve from them. The reason for the mass extinction is most likely because they have no reproductive system, but can live for a very long time because of its good body structure, hard scaly rough skin, and they lived in caves. It also says that on the Discovery Channel.

You know when the knights had to go "slay the dragon the save the princess" thing was around? I think that's when the dinosaurs were extinct because if you think about it, the knight's missions were infact to kill all the "dragons" (aka dinosaurs). So, yeah, you're right about the Medival Times thing.

it's not a sure answer but more logical than the other ones.

[XflintX]

Whoever was talking about the arc thing, scientists don't know how Noah built the arc, and he could have had God's help to make it float, and lastly: WHO SAID NOAH MANUALLY HARVESTED ALL THE ANIMALS? You act as if God didn't help. To whoever asked why God doesn't show up: Have you ever seen the word faith? If God showed himself all the time, we wouldn't need alot of faith.

[amacat]

XflintX

amacat

XflintX

Dinosaurs probably were dragons from the Medieval Times, there skeletal designs seem very similar, and they lived humans as was recorded in the Medieval Times; we believe everything else recorded, why not that? So since they lived at the same time as humans we didn’t evolve from them. The reason for the mass extinction is most likely because they have no reproductive system, but can live for a very long time because of its good body structure, hard scaly rough skin, and they lived in caves. It also says that on the Discovery Channel.

You know when the knights had to go "slay the dragon the save the princess" thing was around? I think that's when the dinosaurs were extinct because if you think about it, the knight's missions were infact to kill all the "dragons" (aka dinosaurs). So, yeah, you're right about the Medival Times thing.

it's not a sure answer but more logical than the other ones.

That's pretty much why I believe it, though not all things are logical. wink

[XflintX]

Scientists can make anything they want sound logica;, ya know why? Because their scientists! Almost everyone strives to stand out and making up religions will do just that. It's not that hard, everyone trusts them.

[amacat]

XflintX

Whoever was talking about the arc thing, scientists don't know how Noah built the arc, and he could have had God's help to make it float, and lastly: WHO SAID NOAH MANUALLY HARVESTED ALL THE ANIMALS? You act as if God didn't help. To whoever asked why God doesn't show up: Have you ever seen the word faith? If God showed himself all the time, we wouldn't need alot of faith.

Sorry, I disagree with you on this one. Scientist have built a miniature replica of Noah's arc and tested it in the conditions they believe the earth was in at that time. It has been proven that it could have actually stayed afloat the entire time as the Bible says. It was also proved impossible of capsizing. And yes, God definitly helped; even though it still took Noah 100 years. smile

[XflintX]

amacat

XflintX

Whoever was talking about the arc thing, scientists don't know how Noah built the arc, and he could have had God's help to make it float, and lastly: WHO SAID NOAH MANUALLY HARVESTED ALL THE ANIMALS? You act as if God didn't help. To whoever asked why God doesn't show up: Have you ever seen the word faith? If God showed himself all the time, we wouldn't need alot of faith.

Sorry, I disagree with you on this one. Scientist have built a miniature replica of Noah's arc and tested it in the conditions they believe the earth was in at that time. It has been proven that it could have actually stayed afloat the entire time as the Bible says. It was also proved impossible of capsizing. And yes, God definitly helped; even though it still took Noah 100 years. smile

Where did you find how Noah built the arc? If you say in the bible: where in the bible?

[NoSuchCreature]

amacat

XflintX

Whoever was talking about the arc thing, scientists don't know how Noah built the arc, and he could have had God's help to make it float, and lastly: WHO SAID NOAH MANUALLY HARVESTED ALL THE ANIMALS? You act as if God didn't help. To whoever asked why God doesn't show up: Have you ever seen the word faith? If God showed himself all the time, we wouldn't need alot of faith.

Sorry, I disagree with you on this one. Scientist have built a miniature replica of Noah's arc and tested it in the conditions they believe the earth was in at that time. It has been proven that it could have actually stayed afloat the entire time as the Bible says. It was also proved impossible of capsizing. And yes, God definitly helped; even though it still took Noah 100 years. smile

I've had enough of this back-and-forth of speculation and fallacies.

Let's start off on a better foot and provide the sources that state this, shall we?

[amacat]

XflintX

Where did you find how Noah built the arc? If you say in the bible: where in the bible?

Oh, deary, yes. It's all in the Bible.
Genesis 14-22:
14 So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. 15 This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. 16 Make a roof for it and finish the ark to within 18 inches of the top. Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks. 17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons' wives with you. 19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them."
22 Noah did everything just as God commanded him.
-bible.com

[amacat]

Fluffy Little Octopus

I've had enough of this back-and-forth of speculation and fallacies.

Let's start off on a better foot and provide the sources that state this, shall we?

I believe it was a documentary on PBS.

[XflintX]

Fluffy Little Octopus

amacat

XflintX

Whoever was talking about the arc thing, scientists don't know how Noah built the arc, and he could have had God's help to make it float, and lastly: WHO SAID NOAH MANUALLY HARVESTED ALL THE ANIMALS? You act as if God didn't help. To whoever asked why God doesn't show up: Have you ever seen the word faith? If God showed himself all the time, we wouldn't need alot of faith.

Sorry, I disagree with you on this one. Scientist have built a miniature replica of Noah's arc and tested it in the conditions they believe the earth was in at that time. It has been proven that it could have actually stayed afloat the entire time as the Bible says. It was also proved impossible of capsizing. And yes, God definitly helped; even though it still took Noah 100 years. smile

I've had enough of this back-and-forth of speculation and fallacies.

Let's start off on a better foot and provide the sources that state this, shall we?

i would but I don't renember, made that arguement along time ago to one of my teachers, correcting things as I read out of the Science book I'm past then now.

[Redem]

XflintX

So a bunch of dirt was floating around and smushed together to create the Earth. Then Lava came up from the Earth and created the land. Then ashes from the volcanoes flew up and created the atmosphere. Later on, the atmosphere created clouds that rained down and created the ocean,

Not what scientists say happened. Read a science text book sometime.

XflintX

and then by the changing temperature of the water the first organisms came to be. Wait, if jellyfish had to stun fish and eat fish to feed themselves, and fish came after jellyfish then what would jelly fish eat? Plenty of new species came after that like trilobites magically formed from jellyfish and bacteria that still exist today. Later on creatures crawled up on earth and morphed into what we are today

Not what scientists say happened. Read a science text book sometime.

XflintX

and to top it off, it's all it's all based on the "Well Tested" Theory that the Earth and the Moon were created at the same time. Which is not likely (not like it could be tested any way), because if they were formed next to each other it would be very un probable because it would be quite a coincidence that they were created at the same time, If it broke off from the Earth it would be altered, and the shape would be a lot different similar to the shape of the earth and other planets in the solar system,

Not what scientists say happened. Read a science text book sometime.

XflintX

which contradicts how they find the absolute age of fossils.

No idea where you got this from.

XflintX

If your not a Christian, or believe in any sort of after life, then how the world started shouldn't concern them any way.

I am going to assume that not was misplaced. What about simple curiosity? The joy of scientific discovery?

XflintX

God is the Ultimate Existence who most likely had nothing to create him

Wha? The usual christian teaching is that he is the "uncaused cause".

XflintX

except for the scientific rule that was something merely like “Every action has the same or opposite reaction” which could be used to be explain the existence of God.

That is applicable to forces. Every force has an equal and opposite reaction.
You are confusing it with the principle of causality.
Which cannot be used to prove anything.

XflintX

The question which this is in response to has been used a lot but can also be used similarly to the concept of evolution by the question: where did the first bit of matter come from?

Condensing energy after the bog bang.

XflintX

Or where did all the dust floating in space come from?

See aboce

XflintX

The answer can’t be explained the same way the question about God can because dust is no where near an infinite being that can be created like wise. There would have to be an ultimate existence in order for anything to appear.

Prove it.

XflintX

Such as: a half cup can exist as long as a full cup can. Finite life can only exist if there is an ultimate being to give it purpose and potential.

Prove it. Life needs purpose and potential? Since when?

XflintX

If we really evolved from monkeys then where are the others in the evolutionary chain? If we evolved from micro organisms every thing would be unstable and constantly changing and mutating uncontrollably or predictably. The new reproductive system, different from a cell reproducing with itself could not have developed suddenly, it wouldn’t have happened. How could organisms stop reproducing with themselves and grow two new reproductive systems, dependant on other reproductive system within the same time period if it took millions of years, along with the theory in evolution that we developed a body that could live much longer than before. To believe that such a reproductive system could form like that would be unlikely, to think it worked and they found each other within the same time period would be insane.

Yeah. Sorry. This is nonsensical. I can't reply to this, except to say this is not what scientists say happened. Read a science text book sometime.

XflintX

Dinosaurs probably were dragons from the Medieval Times, there skeletal designs seem very similar, and they lived humans as was recorded in the Medieval Times; we believe everything else recorded, why not that? So since they lived at the same time as humans we didn’t evolve from them. The reason for the mass extinction is most likely because they have no reproductive system, but can live for a very long time because of its good body structure, hard scaly rough skin, and they lived in caves. It also says that on the Discovery Channel.

AFAIK no dinosaurs can breath fire. Nor can large dinos fly.
And NO SCIENTIST CLAIMS WE EVOLVED FROM DINOSAURS!
Your ignorance is astounding.
And dinosaur eggs have been found. HOW can you claim they have no reproductive system?
It boggles the mind that anyone can be that stupid!