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Still, I haven't heard any more as to why there are variations of humans if evolution is a myth.
Symos
Still, I haven't heard any more as to why there are variations of humans if evolution is a myth.

I havent heard anything to back up evolution as a fact involing any creature on this planet.
Xenentos
Symos
Still, I haven't heard any more as to why there are variations of humans if evolution is a myth.

I havent heard anything to back up evolution as a fact involing any creature on this planet.

That's because you're in denial about all the research that's pointed to the same conclusion, and not one single piece of work that has disproved evolution.

Here's a tip - check out PubMed. It's a government-run library and search engine that can be used to find links to relevant and up-to-date research. Since you suggest that evolution is false, surely professional researchers would have found the same thing. I challenge you to show me one paper that disproves evolution. You don't even need to show me the paper; just the abstract will do.
Xenentos
deadmanjake

Then explain the Archaeopteryx? http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaurs/


A thoughtful study of birds gives convincing proof of the Biblical teaching that they are of divine creation. While birds and reptiles are both oviparous, reptiles are cold-blooded, often sluggish, whereas birds are warm-blooded and among the most active of all earth’s creatures; they also have an unusually rapid heartbeat. The evolutionary view that reptilian scales and fins eventually developed into feathered wings is both fanciful and baseless. The fossils of birds called by scientists Archaeopteryx (or, ancient wing) and Archaeornis (or, ancient bird), though showing teeth and a long vertebrated tail, also show that they were completely feathered, had feet equipped for perching, and had fully developed wings. No intermediate specimens, exhibiting scales developing into feathers or front legs into wings, exist to give any semblance of support to the evolution theory. As expressed by the apostle Paul, birds are of a distinct “flesh” from others of earth’s creatures


This would be true if they could prove one way or another if dinosaurs were warm or cold blooded.

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/USNewsWorldReport/1997/08/18/228081

http://palaeo.gly.bris.ac.uk/communication/rothery/Rothery.html

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/metabolism.html

You also keep bringing up Darwin who despite having good eyesight, did not have the technical tools of today to fully research his theorys.
Shaviv
Xenentos
Symos
Still, I haven't heard any more as to why there are variations of humans if evolution is a myth.

I havent heard anything to back up evolution as a fact involing any creature on this planet.

That's because you're in denial about all the research that's pointed to the same conclusion, and not one single piece of work that has disproved evolution.

Here's a tip - check out PubMed. It's a government-run library and search engine that can be used to find links to relevant and up-to-date research. Since you suggest that evolution is false, surely professional researchers would have found the same thing. I challenge you to show me one paper that disproves evolution. You don't even need to show me the paper; just the abstract will do.


I am not in denial, im just a messanger.

Wanna know what the fossil record really says?

Cause no one here has shown me that my posts before hand were incorrect.

When we let the fossil record speak, its testimony is not evolution-oriented. Instead, the testimony of the fossil record is creation-oriented. It shows that many different kinds of living things suddenly appeared. While there was great variety within each kind, these had no links to evolutionary ancestors before them. Nor did they have any evolutionary links to different kinds of living things that came after them. Various kinds of living things persisted with little change for long periods of time before some of them became extinct, while others survive down to this day.

“The concept of evolution cannot be considered a strong scientific explanation for the presence of the diverse forms of life,” concludes evolutionist Edmund Samuel in his book Order: In Life. Why not? He adds: “No fine analysis of biogeographic distribution or of the fossil record can directly support evolution.”

Clearly, the impartial inquirer would be led to conclude that fossils do not support the theory of evolution. On the other hand, fossil evidence does lend strong weight to the arguments for creation. As zoologist Coffin stated: “To secular scientists, the fossils, evidences of the life of the past, constitute the ultimate and final court of appeal, because the fossil record is the only authentic history of life available to science. If this fossil history does not agree with evolutionary theory—and we have seen that it does not—what does it teach? It tells us that plants and animals were created in their basic forms. The basic facts of the fossil record support creation, not evolution.” Astronomer Carl Sagan candidly acknowledged in his book Cosmos: “The fossil evidence could be consistent with the idea of a Great Designer."

Now you show me what you have found backing up evo?
Xenentos
redem

Great. More uncited copy&paste work I presume.


Uncited mabey, mabey someone i knew wrote up, for a school paper, either way, does it really matter where the info coems from, what matters is if its factual.


Not something you wrote up. It shows signs of having been copied from a website.

Xenentos
Lol, question were are your facts to back up your statements?

Answer. I'm lazy, tired, and irritable. The info is freely available, and if you spent some time reasearching evolution, fossils in particular, and not reading creationist website, you'd realise that.


Xenentos
and so I go on mostly on the thing about fossils:

However, is the fossil record complete enough for a fair test of whether it is creation or evolution that finds support? Over a century ago, Darwin did not think so. What was “wrong” with the fossil record in his time? It did not contain the transitional links required to support his theory. This situation caused him to say: “Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely-graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory.”

The fossil record in Darwin’s day proved disappointing to him in another way. He explained: “The abrupt manner in which whole groups of species suddenly appear in certain formations has been urged by several paleontologists . . . as a fatal objection to the belief in the transmutation of species.” He added: “There is another and allied difficulty, which is much more serious. I allude to the manner in which species belonging to several of the main divisions of the animal kingdom suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks. . . . The case at present must remain inexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the [evolutionary] views here entertained.”


Why keep quoting problems from Darwins day? We've had a few years since then to work on this problem. We have since discovered many more fossils, and understand a lot more about geology.

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html

There. Click the fosil link in the menu on the left. Enjoy browseing around.

Xenentos
Darwin attempted to explain these huge problems by attacking the fossil record. He said: “I look at the geological record as a history of the world imperfectly kept, . . . imperfect to an extreme degree.”9 It was assumed by him and others that as time passed the missing fossil links surely would be found.
They have been.

What do you want? A fossil of every living creature ever to have lived showing a smooth transition? Sorry. It doesn't exist. Fossilistation is too rare.


Xenentos
Now, after well over a century of extensive digging, vast numbers of fossils have been unearthed. Is the record still so “imperfect”? The book Processes of Organic Evolution comments: “The record of past forms of life is now extensive and is constantly increasing in richness as paleontologists find, describe, and compare new fossils.” And Smithsonian Institution scientist Porter Kier adds: “There are a hundred million fossils, all catalogued and identified, in museums around the world.” Hence, A Guide to Earth History declares: “By the aid of fossils palaeontologists can now give us an excellent picture of the life of past ages.”

We have a good idea of what life was like, yeah. Not a complete picture.

Xenentos
After all this time, and the assembling of millions of fossils, what does the record now say? Evolutionist Steven Stanley states that these fossils “reveal new and surprising things about our biological origins.” The book A View of Life, written by three evolutionists, adds: “The fossil record is full of trends that paleontologists have been unable to explain.” What is it that these evolutionary scientists have found to be so “surprising” and are “unable to explain”?

What has confounded such scientists is the fact that the massive fossil evidence now available reveals the very same thing that it did in Darwin’s day: Basic kinds of living things appeared suddenly and did not change appreciably for long periods of time. No transitional links between one major kind of living thing and another have ever been found. So what the fossil record says is just the opposite of what was expected.


No transitional fossils? You're seriously claiming that?

Have you never heard of archeopteryx? Or however that's spelt.
We have transitional fossils between many of the major groups, and the minor ones.
Have you EVER read a non-creationist source?


Xenentos
Swedish botanist Heribert Nilsson described the situation this way, after 40 years of his own research: “It is not even possible to make a caricature of an evolution out of palaeobiological facts. The fossil material is now so complete that . . . the lack of transitional series cannot be explained as due to the scarcity of material. The deficiencies are real, they will never be filled.”


Hardly complete though, is it? We have plenty still to learn, and to find.
deadmanjake
Xenentos
deadmanjake

Then explain the Archaeopteryx? http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaurs/


A thoughtful study of birds gives convincing proof of the Biblical teaching that they are of divine creation. While birds and reptiles are both oviparous, reptiles are cold-blooded, often sluggish, whereas birds are warm-blooded and among the most active of all earth’s creatures; they also have an unusually rapid heartbeat. The evolutionary view that reptilian scales and fins eventually developed into feathered wings is both fanciful and baseless. The fossils of birds called by scientists Archaeopteryx (or, ancient wing) and Archaeornis (or, ancient bird), though showing teeth and a long vertebrated tail, also show that they were completely feathered, had feet equipped for perching, and had fully developed wings. No intermediate specimens, exhibiting scales developing into feathers or front legs into wings, exist to give any semblance of support to the evolution theory. As expressed by the apostle Paul, birds are of a distinct “flesh” from others of earth’s creatures


This would be true if they could prove one way or another if dinosaurs were warm or cold blooded.

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/USNewsWorldReport/1997/08/18/228081

http://palaeo.gly.bris.ac.uk/communication/rothery/Rothery.html

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/metabolism.html

You also keep bringing up Darwin who despite having good eyesight, did not have the technical tools of today to fully research his theorys.

Then by what you have said about Darwin, His idea of evolution is flawwed in everyway. And therefore wrong.

Note: I never stated that dinos were warm or cold blooded, i stated reptiles are cold-blooded, often sluggish.
redem
Xenentos
redem

Great. More uncited copy&paste work I presume.


Uncited mabey, mabey someone i knew wrote up, for a school paper, either way, does it really matter where the info coems from, what matters is if its factual.


Not something you wrote up. It shows signs of having been copied from a website.

Xenentos
Lol, question were are your facts to back up your statements?

Answer. I'm lazy, tired, and irritable. The info is freely available, and if you spent some time reasearching evolution, fossils in particular, and not reading creationist website, you'd realise that.


Xenentos
and so I go on mostly on the thing about fossils:

However, is the fossil record complete enough for a fair test of whether it is creation or evolution that finds support? Over a century ago, Darwin did not think so. What was “wrong” with the fossil record in his time? It did not contain the transitional links required to support his theory. This situation caused him to say: “Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely-graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory.”

The fossil record in Darwin’s day proved disappointing to him in another way. He explained: “The abrupt manner in which whole groups of species suddenly appear in certain formations has been urged by several paleontologists . . . as a fatal objection to the belief in the transmutation of species.” He added: “There is another and allied difficulty, which is much more serious. I allude to the manner in which species belonging to several of the main divisions of the animal kingdom suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks. . . . The case at present must remain inexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the [evolutionary] views here entertained.”


Why keep quoting problems from Darwins day? We've had a few years since then to work on this problem. We have since discovered many more fossils, and understand a lot more about geology.

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html

There. Click the fosil link in the menu on the left. Enjoy browseing around.

Xenentos
Darwin attempted to explain these huge problems by attacking the fossil record. He said: “I look at the geological record as a history of the world imperfectly kept, . . . imperfect to an extreme degree.”9 It was assumed by him and others that as time passed the missing fossil links surely would be found.
They have been.

What do you want? A fossil of every living creature ever to have lived showing a smooth transition? Sorry. It doesn't exist. Fossilistation is too rare.


Xenentos
Now, after well over a century of extensive digging, vast numbers of fossils have been unearthed. Is the record still so “imperfect”? The book Processes of Organic Evolution comments: “The record of past forms of life is now extensive and is constantly increasing in richness as paleontologists find, describe, and compare new fossils.” And Smithsonian Institution scientist Porter Kier adds: “There are a hundred million fossils, all catalogued and identified, in museums around the world.” Hence, A Guide to Earth History declares: “By the aid of fossils palaeontologists can now give us an excellent picture of the life of past ages.”

We have a good idea of what life was like, yeah. Not a complete picture.

Xenentos
After all this time, and the assembling of millions of fossils, what does the record now say? Evolutionist Steven Stanley states that these fossils “reveal new and surprising things about our biological origins.” The book A View of Life, written by three evolutionists, adds: “The fossil record is full of trends that paleontologists have been unable to explain.” What is it that these evolutionary scientists have found to be so “surprising” and are “unable to explain”?

What has confounded such scientists is the fact that the massive fossil evidence now available reveals the very same thing that it did in Darwin’s day: Basic kinds of living things appeared suddenly and did not change appreciably for long periods of time. No transitional links between one major kind of living thing and another have ever been found. So what the fossil record says is just the opposite of what was expected.


No transitional fossils? You're seriously claiming that?

Have you never heard of archeopteryx? Or however that's spelt.
We have transitional fossils between many of the major groups, and the minor ones.
Have you EVER read a non-creationist source?


Xenentos
Swedish botanist Heribert Nilsson described the situation this way, after 40 years of his own research: “It is not even possible to make a caricature of an evolution out of palaeobiological facts. The fossil material is now so complete that . . . the lack of transitional series cannot be explained as due to the scarcity of material. The deficiencies are real, they will never be filled.”


Hardly complete though, is it? We have plenty still to learn, and to find.


I can tell you this, i never found this on a website. Nor from some creationist thingy, and if you were readin i alread stated on the fact about archeopteryx.
Darwin is "wrong" the same way that Newton is "wrong".
god this is fun, and jsut so everyone knows, im not tellign yuo what to belive, jsut what i have see and read.
Xenentos
god this is fun, and jsut so everyone knows, im not tellign yuo what to belive, jsut what i have see and read.


Which was obviously not any of the links provided, otherwise you would have seen the common links between birds and reptiles that are consistent in the fossils fo the Archaeopteryx .
Xenentos
god this is fun, and jsut so everyone knows, im not tellign yuo what to belive, jsut what i have see and read.

Xenentos, we don't give a ******** what you believe. The rules of the forum specifically state that unfounded opinions are not allowed here.
You have not contested the cites provided which counter your arguments and until you do both forum rules and courtesy demand you not post again.
kthxbai.
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Xenentos
god this is fun, and jsut so everyone knows, im not tellign yuo what to belive, jsut what i have see and read.

Your inability to read and comprehend science and facts when they are presented to you is no one's problem but yours.
Xenentos
deadmanjake
Xenentos
deadmanjake

Then explain the Archaeopteryx? http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaurs/


A thoughtful study of birds gives convincing proof of the Biblical teaching that they are of divine creation. While birds and reptiles are both oviparous, reptiles are cold-blooded, often sluggish, whereas birds are warm-blooded and among the most active of all earth’s creatures; they also have an unusually rapid heartbeat. The evolutionary view that reptilian scales and fins eventually developed into feathered wings is both fanciful and baseless. The fossils of birds called by scientists Archaeopteryx (or, ancient wing) and Archaeornis (or, ancient bird), though showing teeth and a long vertebrated tail, also show that they were completely feathered, had feet equipped for perching, and had fully developed wings. No intermediate specimens, exhibiting scales developing into feathers or front legs into wings, exist to give any semblance of support to the evolution theory. As expressed by the apostle Paul, birds are of a distinct “flesh” from others of earth’s creatures


This would be true if they could prove one way or another if dinosaurs were warm or cold blooded.

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/USNewsWorldReport/1997/08/18/228081

http://palaeo.gly.bris.ac.uk/communication/rothery/Rothery.html

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/metabolism.html

You also keep bringing up Darwin who despite having good eyesight, did not have the technical tools of today to fully research his theorys.

Then by what you have said about Darwin, His idea of evolution is flawwed in everyway. And therefore wrong.

Note: I never stated that dinos were warm or cold blooded, i stated reptiles are cold-blooded, often sluggish.


One can guess by your argument against me that you assumed that dinosaurs were reptiles. Try again.
reagun ban
Xenentos
god this is fun, and jsut so everyone knows, im not tellign yuo what to belive, jsut what i have see and read.

Xenentos, we don't give a ******** what you believe. The rules of the forum specifically state that unfounded opinions are not allowed here.
You have not contested the cites provided which counter your arguments and until you do both forum rules and courtesy demand you not post again.
kthxbai.

w/e, personally i thinky uo are jsut pissed since i screw evo. and so i see im nolonger wanted here, so good day, i hope you find what your lookign for.

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