Evolution: Fact Or Fiction

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Atheist	39.3%	[ 1138 ]
Protestant	16.9%	[ 489 ]
Catholic	14.1%	[ 407 ]
Hindu	1.3%	[ 37 ]
Muslim	1.8%	[ 53 ]
Jew	2.3%	[ 67 ]
Buddhist	5.1%	[ 149 ]
Greek Orthodox	0.7%	[ 21 ]
Pagan	14.2%	[ 412 ]
Egyptian	4.2%	[ 122 ]
Total Votes:			[ 2895 ]

[no_kiddin]

Evolution is just a THEORY, just like everything else that is scientific. The Bible has been there for thousands of years. Hm.

[Deoridhe]

no_kiddin

Evolution is just a THEORY, just like everything else that is scientific. The Bible has been there for thousands of years. Hm.

The Upanishads and Vedas have been here longer.

Obviously, by your logic, everyone should worship the Hindu Gods.

[Kalil Chernov]

no_kiddin

Evolution is just a THEORY, just like everything else that is scientific. The Bible has been there for thousands of years. Hm.

Yes, we all know that the older the idea, the more likely it is to be correct. scream
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I swear... Do these idiots even listen to themselves?

[ThePeerOrlando]

Kalil Chernov

no_kiddin

Evolution is just a THEORY, just like everything else that is scientific. The Bible has been there for thousands of years. Hm.

Yes, we all know that the older the idea, the more likely it is to be correct. scream
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I swear... Do these idiots even listen to themselves?

No. Why? Because that would require them to think. Something that they have thus exhibited to be incapable of.

[NowhereMan583]

no_kiddin

Evolution is just a THEORY, just like everything else that is scientific. The Bible has been there for thousands of years. Hm.

Wouldn't this mean that Christianity is invalid, since several holy texts predate it? rolleyes

And the real difference between the Bible and a scientific theory is that a scientific theory is backed by logic, reason, and proof. The bible is backed by uneducated idiots claiming that it is infallible.

Here's a dictionary definition for you:
Theory, n. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

To quote Isaac Asimov, "Creationists make it sound as though a theory is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night."

[TinHawk]

no_kiddin

Evolution is just a THEORY, just like everything else that is scientific. The Bible has been there for thousands of years. Hm.

The Bible may have been around for thousands of years, but that doesn't mean it's never been tampered with by the clergy in order to force the church's values of the time on the populace under the guise of "God's Law."

There is plenty of physical evidence supporting evolution.

[Nivaston]

NowhereMan583

no_kiddin

Evolution is just a THEORY, just like everything else that is scientific. The Bible has been there for thousands of years. Hm.

Wouldn't this mean that Christianity is invalid, since several holy texts predate it? rolleyes

And the real difference between the Bible and a scientific theory is that a scientific theory is backed by logic, reason, and proof. The bible is backed by uneducated idiots claiming that it is infallible.

Here's a dictionary definition for you:
Theory, n. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

To quote Isaac Asimov, "Creationists make it sound as though a theory is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night."

I agree that even though the Bible has been around longer doesn't make it automatically right.
But the arguement that Holy Texts predate Christianity is kinda buguss, especially since a lot of the Old Testament actually prophesizes the coming of Jesus.

And... what gives you the ability to say that the Bible lacks logic, reason, and proof. Have you (honestly) ever read it? The Bible lacks logic, reason, and proof? Have you ever (honestly) read it? I held plenty of logic, reason, and proof to me (my proof comes from Faith).
The Bible is backed by uneducated idiots? Such as Moses, who was a pharoah?

No offense, but I really dissagree with Isaac Asimov.
And where does the logic, reason, or proof come in with evolution?

[NowhereMan583]

Nivaston

I agree that even though the Bible has been around longer doesn't make it automatically right.
But the arguement that Holy Texts predate Christianity is kinda buguss, especially since a lot of the Old Testament actually prophesizes the coming of Jesus.

Actually, I meant holy texts such as the Veda, not the Old Testament. If I recall correctly, Hinduism predates the Old Testament.

Nivaston

And... what gives you the ability to say that the Bible lacks logic, reason, and proof. Have you (honestly) ever read it? The Bible lacks logic, reason, and proof? Have you ever (honestly) read it?

I can answer all of this with three words: "I've read it." And yes, that's honesty.

Nivaston

I held plenty of logic, reason, and proof to me (my proof comes from Faith).

Good for you... do I need to define "proof" now?

Nivaston

The Bible is backed by uneducated idiots? Such as Moses, who was a pharoah?

I meant the modern Christian fundamentalists, actually. The "idiots" I was referring to have made several appearances in this thread, in fact.

Nivaston

No offense, but I really dissagree with Isaac Asimov.

How? Seriously, read the thread. That's how a lot of the anti-evolution people seem to be defining "theory", with all the "evolution is 'just' a theory" arguments.

Nivaston

And where does the logic, reason, or proof come in with evolution?

How about the scientific proof? The fossil record, the observations, the coherent arguments, etc.? This has been covered here already.

[Vryko Lakas]

Nivaston

But the arguement that Holy Texts predate Christianity is kinda buguss, especially since a lot of the Old Testament actually prophesizes the coming of Jesus.

Sacred writings are not confined to Abramic religions. In this case, some Vedas are considered to be older than any written form of Abramic religious traditions. In other words, the Indians were writing about religion before the Hebrews.

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The Bible lacks logic, reason, and proof? Have you ever (honestly) read it? I held plenty of logic, reason, and proof to me (my proof comes from Faith).

Faith is not proof, and several bits of the bible necessarily defy logic and reason, hence miracles.

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And where does the logic, reason, or proof come in with evolution?

Evolution is logically consistent within itself and with the world at large. It was born of reason and observation, not faith or personal Revelation. The proof for Evolution is in almost every facet of biology and a lot of bits of geology and chemistry.

[NowhereMan583]

Vryko Lakas

Nivaston

The Bible lacks logic, reason, and proof? Have you ever (honestly) read it? I held plenty of logic, reason, and proof to me (my proof comes from Faith).

Faith is not proof, and several bits of the bible necessarily defy logic and reason, hence miracles.

Plus the issues of internal inconsistency (for example, I recall that the Bible contradicts itself on the issue of who Joseph's father was). If it's not even consistent with itself, I doubt such concepts as "logic", "reason", and "proof" can be found in it.

[TrueSacredRahXephon]

Nivaston

And where does the logic, reason, or proof come in with evolution?

The fact that it's been DIRECTLY OBSERVED on several occasions.

[Kalil Chernov]

TrueSacredRahXephon

Nivaston

And where does the logic, reason, or proof come in with evolution?

The fact that it's been DIRECTLY OBSERVED on several occasions.

Damn those inconvinient truths! stressed

[Nivaston]

TrueSacredRahXephon

Nivaston

And where does the logic, reason, or proof come in with evolution?

The fact that it's been DIRECTLY OBSERVED on several occasions.

When has it ever been directly observed?

[Painted Britain Blue]

Nivaston

TrueSacredRahXephon

Nivaston

And where does the logic, reason, or proof come in with evolution?

The fact that it's been DIRECTLY OBSERVED on several occasions.

When has it ever been directly observed?

In harmful pathogens like the flu virus?

It continuously changes so it may enter the body undetected, which is why vaccines aren't really that useful, because protecting you against 1/400 + strains of the flu is...no.

[Tarrou]

Nivaston

When has it ever been directly observed?

Firstly, evolution doesn't need to be directly observed to be proven; we have lots of other data that do that quite nicely. However, we really have directly observed evolution in progress. Does that answer your question?