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[Chii Kei]

I think my art standard is OK, and I only charge a max of...uhm, 45k, I think?

Thing is, most of the terrific art costs millions - most people can't afford that. The "crappy" art doesn't cost as much and in most cases it's what people are willing to pay, so~ I understand what you're saying. It's hard to find decent art that doesn't cost your internet arm. xd

[Helaine MS]

_Lover-Loverly_

Vaveli

If I'm going to be spending my free time drawing art for someone, I'm gonna expect a LOT in return, especially if I'm being paid in fake money. If you want to be cheap with your gold then expect cheap art in return.

I am not trying to be being cheap. the matter is, is that I dont even have the gold they charge. and maybe something is wrong with me but I just cant see paying 20k 50k or over. The most i would ever pay would be 18k. and that is still a bit pricy to me. but like i said people on gaia work hard for thier gold and the people who make gold fast... well can someone tell me the trick?

Obviously you get what you pay for... 10k for a good one... uh...... If everybody else is willing to pay millions for great arts, why should good artists be willing to sell it for 10k?

[Vicemage]

Okay, I've de-ranted this a bit, the message still stands, as does the fact that the OP is a little a*****e.

Y'know... I was going to do a further response based on your initial one to me, then I read the rest of the thread.

And y'know what? You're an a*****e who doesn't deserve art from anyone, no matter how much you pay. You have a better-than-though attitude through every single one of your replies, claiming that you're superior and your time is worth more than that of the artists you want to essentially enslave for crappy fairy dust pixel Monopoly money, and the tiniest token amount of it to boot. You have a sense of entitlement that you should have everything NOW for FREE or you're going to get BUTTHURT and pitch a TANTRUM.

GET. OVER. YOURSELF. What, do you walk into a car dealership, tell them, "You shouldn't be charging $18,000 for a car that only cost a couple hundred in materials to make! I can't afford that! Here's $2, a stick of gum and a half-filled Pez dispenser, GIMME!" Actually, you probably don't, because you're probably not old enough for even a learner's permit, much less to drive and have a job. Your sense of entitlement probably comes from the fact that you have unconcerned parents who hand you whatever you want so they can feel like they're doing a "good job" of parenting, so you get all upset any time you're faced with something you can't have, because, dammit, Mommy and Daddy get you everything you want!

GROW UP.

Oh, and incidentally? No one pays me any amount of sparkly fairy pixel dust gold for art. Because I refuse to work for free, and sparkly fairy dust pixel monopoly money isn't real, but the art is. I work for REAL money only. And I do in fact make my living doing it. My rent, bills, food, entertainment, gas, everything is paid for by doing ART. I'm a free adult living in a free country who has the ability to choose what I want to do with my time. I do NOT have to listen to a self-righteous child telling me to "get off my forum baaaaw" or "work for me for free nao!" I can do what I want with my free time, and if I want to spend it on this forum, I will. If I want to spend it doing art for money, I will. If I don't want to spend it doing art for free, I won't. Simple as that, and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ANY OF US WHAT TO DO.

[Mahiru Suoh]

While 50k sounded expensive to me before, I now see the reasons behind that and I couldn't agree more. I, myself, have always wanted to open up a shop but I would never charge more than 500 gold. *pokes sig* This is why. I don't think it's actually worth that either. eek

[Jun Plumcider Hou]

_Lover-Loverly_

"An artist can either spend 5 hours of 'free time' on a Gaia commission, or they can spend it on a real money commission." Ok good then get off gaia and go make your real money.

What an arrogant, delusional sense of entitlement you seem to have.

Avi art is a luxury, not a necessity. If you can't afford it, tough crap. You'll live without it. Stop whining and get over yourself.

[Helaine MS]

Jun Plumcider Hou

_Lover-Loverly_

"An artist can either spend 5 hours of 'free time' on a Gaia commission, or they can spend it on a real money commission." Ok good then get off gaia and go make your real money.

What an arrogant, delusional sense of entitlement you seem to have.

Avi art is a luxury, not a necessity. If you can't afford it, tough crap. You'll live without it. Stop whining and get over yourself.

It's already good that some people in GAIA are willing to sell their great artistic skill just for tiny little pixels...


Normally they charge real money, now you can pay with virtual money. That's very luxurious to me.


With that attitude of yours... omg nobody would sell art to you sweatdrop

[iLollieNeko]

Uhmmm I could draw some avi art if you let me try

[laurieneth]

sooo...you want art for less or free? xD Lets not kid ourselves, this is really what we are talking about, right?

I have to throw you a bone though. In the past, before gaia gash, 10k g used to be enough to buy rather good art. The best artists on here couldn't make more than 1mil. What happened? Inflation.

And by the way, I charge a base price of only 5000g for a sketch, though people have paid me as much ast 500k g. If someone is really interested in my art, and could only pay 5000g for it, I am very happy to draw it for them for that price. But if someone like you came to my shop with that attitude, I wouldn't draw for you for a million gold razz

[keiiii]

_Lover-Loverly_

Helaine-chan

_Lover-Loverly_

Vaveli

If I'm going to be spending my free time drawing art for someone, I'm gonna expect a LOT in return, especially if I'm being paid in fake money. If you want to be cheap with your gold then expect cheap art in return.

I am not trying to be being cheap. the matter is, is that I dont even have the gold they charge. and maybe something is wrong with me but I just cant see paying 20k 50k or over. The most i would ever pay would be 18k. and that is still a bit pricy to me. but like i said people on gaia work hard for thier gold and the people who make gold fast... well can someone tell me the trick?

Obviously you get what you pay for... 10k for a good one... uh...... If everybody else is willing to pay millions for great arts, why should good artists be willing to sell it for 10k?

Not everyone else is willing to pay millions for art! I did pretty good on my avi art (when I used to do it) and like I said I would NEVER charge over 1k! And then I thought i was being a b***h and charging to much.

Not everyone is willing to pay millions for art, certainly. But there are many people willing and able to pay that price. As long as those people exist, artists are not gonna lower their price. Artists don't have to sell to YOU when they have all these other people lined up to buy their expensive art.

If you want to make money fast... try selling art. ^^ Art should be priced fairly, but "fairly" can vary WIDELY depending on the quality of your art. Auctions are a good way of gauging the price IMO since the buyers decide the price.

[Zephire]

@OP; Quit complaining. You're getting art for free. Gaia gold cannot, in any way, shape, or form be turned into real money. You can not buy food with it, pay rent or bills, or anything. You are stuck buying fake items for fake money. That's it. While it can take time to earn gold, that doesn't change the fact that it's not real. How about you go out and get a job so you earn money in your free time so you can pay people actual money for art, instead of bitching about how artists should spend their free time working for what amounts to some pixels?

And so what if people are willing to pay millions of gold for art? They actually acknowledge that art takes time, and an artist ought to be compensated for it. And why the hell would you think that if an artist spent 10 hours on a piece that they'd pick someone offering 10k over someone willing to pay 1,000k? Guess what, a lot of the expensive artists on this site don't pick a number out of thin air and charge that much. Consumers help set the price, too. If there's a steady stream of people willing to pay more, do you actually expect an artist to decide to sell for a fraction of the price? It's supply and demand 101. As long as people are willing to pay, an artist can charge what they want. If they go too high, they'll price themselves out of the market, making them lower the price again to remain in business.

If you can't afford the more expensive artists, boo fricken hoo. You have zero right to b***h about artists who want something in the realm of fair compensation. That's your problem alone. And 18k, really? That's a pittance. Just the other day, I made 14k off playing Booty Grab. And that only totaled to maybe 20 minutes in a 24 hour period. If you go by 1 minute of Booty Grab= 800g, and thus 1 minute of an artist's time = 800g, you're basically saying that an artist spending 22.5 minutes of their time is too much stare

People rarely jump with joy and enthusiasm when people say "hey, do this for me and I'll barely pay you! And be glad that I'm interested in you doing this!" Artists are no different! And artists get enough BS from people wanting art for cheap or free offline; do you honestly think that somehow offering fake money will change their minds?