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More than half those noobs you speak of are not willing to be taught.
90% of my zOMG conflicts are from trying to teach people how to play more efficiently.

The trouble here is the fact that 'playing more efficiently' is not the goal of most zOMG! players - indeed, the primary audience for zOMG! doesn't really care one way or another. For as much as such advice improves their game experience, you may as well be lecturing them on quantum mechanics - when you look at it from that perspective, it becomes rather obvious why players are so often unreceptive. sweatdrop

DMS is particularly bad about this, of course, because efficient play is such a major part of the area - most players don't care about efficiency, so most players trying DMS are going to encounter issues in one form or another. The problem is that it's not those players' faults, and they're not doing anything wrong; the area simply wasn't designed for them (or designed well in general). The fact that they put an area in zOMG! that isn't designed for most zOMG! players is a bit strange, and any conflict it's caused is really only natural. redface
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For example, how many ppl will take their time to complete the quests in zOMG now compared to, let's say 2 years ago? I think the ratio is 1:5 sweatdrop
I've seen ppl having trouble entering PS because of not completing the Gustav quest, and they blame it on glitches. I've also seen cl 11.8 ppl hanging around gold beach and shouting "What's/Where's smob or smeb?"
Like seriously, plenty gonk

Again, this is more a fault of the game than the users - the Gustav chain is notoriously difficult to follow, because players generally encounter Gustav before they encounter Ryan. Being that Ryan is rather out-of-the-way - to the point you could theoretically complete just about everything else in the area without ever encountering him - I'm willing to assert this is just bad quest design. And because glitches are so prevalent in the game already, it's become pretty natural to assume that when something doesn't work immediately, it's glitched. Unfortunately, that's a reputation we have to accept for the time being. redface

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While most of the issues within the game actually arise from the game - players not learning and individual confrontations and whatever else often resolve to design flaws in the game itself - issues in the Forum are often a little less obvious; the amount of overall activity and the number of average users has decreased a bit, which accentuates some of the bad habits we (as a community) have picked up over the years. I think most of these would resolve themselves with a general increase of activity and introducing a few good habits (mostly of the 'fix it yourself' variety - e.g., don't bump threads you don't want to see more of, if you don't like the threads in the Forum give us something better to talk about, etc.), but for the most part it's a product of the game's condition. I don't personally expect it to be permanent, but I'll admit I'm not entirely sure what the best course of action is in the meantime. I'm certainly open to suggestions, but I think if any solution were obvious we likely would've solved those issues by now... sweatdrop
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it may just be your lack of sentence structure (or sentences, for that matter), but it sounds to me like you're contradicting yourself.

I think it's a case of "I don't like them either but at least I tolerate them you assholes. mad "

That is contradicting too.
The use of profanity makes it so.
That or they have little patience.
Then that, in turn, translate to no tolerance.
Sorry if that's what this is all about.
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I was just trying to translate what the other user said to how I understood it, and took some liberties with it.

See that is how rumors and translation become so garbled.
Because they can't get the subject straight to the point adding details until the receiver has to find some way to trace back the origin.
Good thing we are past the primate era.

If rumors start, then people aren't reading the thread. That's not my problem.
you're better off ignoring his posts sweatdrop
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That is contradicting too.
The use of profanity makes it so.
That or they have little patience.
Then that, in turn, translate to no tolerance.
Sorry if that's what this is all about.
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I was just trying to translate what the other user said to how I understood it, and took some liberties with it.

See that is how rumors and translation become so garbled.
Because they can't get the subject straight to the point adding details until the receiver has to find some way to trace back the origin.
Good thing we are past the primate era.

If rumors start, then people aren't reading the thread. That's not my problem.
you're better off ignoring his posts sweatdrop

oops you double quoted.
And I know, thank you for the warning though/
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More than half those noobs you speak of are not willing to be taught.
90% of my zOMG conflicts are from trying to teach people how to play more efficiently.

The trouble here is the fact that 'playing more efficiently' is not the goal of most zOMG! players - indeed, the primary audience for zOMG! doesn't really care one way or another. For as much as such advice improves their game experience, you may as well be lecturing them on quantum mechanics - when you look at it from that perspective, it becomes rather obvious why players are so often unreceptive. sweatdrop

DMS is particularly bad about this, of course, because efficient play is such a major part of the area - most players don't care about efficiency, so most players trying DMS are going to encounter issues in one form or another. The problem is that it's not those players' faults, and they're not doing anything wrong; the area simply wasn't designed for them (or designed well in general). The fact that they put an area in zOMG! that isn't designed for most zOMG! players is a bit strange, and any conflict it's caused is really only natural. redface
Shirazuki
For example, how many ppl will take their time to complete the quests in zOMG now compared to, let's say 2 years ago? I think the ratio is 1:5 sweatdrop
I've seen ppl having trouble entering PS because of not completing the Gustav quest, and they blame it on glitches. I've also seen cl 11.8 ppl hanging around gold beach and shouting "What's/Where's smob or smeb?"
Like seriously, plenty gonk

Again, this is more a fault of the game than the users - the Gustav chain is notoriously difficult to follow, because players generally encounter Gustav before they encounter Ryan. Being that Ryan is rather out-of-the-way - to the point you could theoretically complete just about everything else in the area without ever encountering him - I'm willing to assert this is just bad quest design. And because glitches are so prevalent in the game already, it's become pretty natural to assume that when something doesn't work immediately, it's glitched. Unfortunately, that's a reputation we have to accept for the time being. redface

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While most of the issues within the game actually arise from the game - players not learning and individual confrontations and whatever else often resolve to design flaws in the game itself - issues in the Forum are often a little less obvious; the amount of overall activity and the number of average users has decreased a bit, which accentuates some of the bad habits we (as a community) have picked up over the years. I think most of these would resolve themselves with a general increase of activity and introducing a few good habits (mostly of the 'fix it yourself' variety - e.g., don't bump threads you don't want to see more of, if you don't like the threads in the Forum give us something better to talk about, etc.), but for the most part it's a product of the game's condition. I don't personally expect it to be permanent, but I'll admit I'm not entirely sure what the best course of action is in the meantime. I'm certainly open to suggestions, but I think if any solution were obvious we likely would've solved those issues by now... sweatdrop



Thank you, I think you put it quite nicely, way better than I put it and let alone I was in school typing this so yeah x.x but I agree with what you said 110%
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it seems to me that you're just assuming a whole lot and actually have very little facts.



I have my facts, how often do you even play zOMG now a days, you play HoC quite abit, I know my facts now a days than you, I get in crews, I face the "newbs: and "noobs" and yeah I am apart of the fire that I get alittle annoyed by them but its a game, we all must learn at some point, rather teach someone earlier on than waiting for a 12.0 to come to smeb and be like I have never smeb'd before, idk what I am doing, I have had that happen before


Oh my GOD> I just have to comment on this.

I'm pretty sure there was this discussion SOMEWHERE around here already.

No, there is PLENTY of time to figure out which one is noob and which one is newb. "Sweetie I need you to change your ring."
"WTF Y! MY FIRE RAIN IS GREATDK Jsdfl;dfjk!"
"Seriously, please don't take solar rays in DMS, I'm your tank, and you're around CL 10.2. If the gure comes I die, and so will you, because there will be no one to hold aggro."
"WTF Like you know what I should ddo!"
"Oh, right. Goodbye." *kick.*

That was noob. Newb will tell you what rings they have or don't and will let you HELP Them.

The 12.0 and SMEB argument?

Okay, I'm going to write it as clearly as I can. MOST Of the CL 12.0s are OLD. Really OLD, and it was some TIME since we did EB. There was different STYLE of Doing EB, sweetie, there was sEB which HALF of the players nowdays wouldn't be able to do. But still, in the past we helped them. EXCUSE the 12.0s that they don't like SMEB anymore, and when PERHAPS they want to go back to see it again, they don't know how it's done, because they only did TWETNY different versions in the past while the players whining about that only knew one.

(Adding to Gem's already high quality post o3o)

The problem is you also have a large number of players who have no clue what they're talking about.

Remember when sEB, Smob, and SS/EB were hotly contested? (Just prior to the implement of the nerf system, for those just tuning onto gaia---or you weird hipsters from the future...)

Most crews would announce they are crewing for sEB, when in reality they were doing old style SS/EB--which pissed off all the players who actually knew what sEB meant.

Now, it's basically the same thing, only smeb and smob---which has been going on for 2 years now.

Most of us tried to teach users the difference (there are at least 5 guides on the subject), but they refused to listen---so why should we (who know what we're doing) continue associating with people who don't know what they're doing?

It's the way the real world works (You'll be fired if you can't make hamburgers efficiently), and zOMG! is no difference.


Also, I find the thought of these new users thinking they have "all the facts" appalling.



But if you dont know how to "flip burgers" (as your example implies) they teach you first, and the people who dont know you teach them nicely, but if they refuse to listen thats when you "fire" them


But that implies they are willing to be taught to flip burgers.

@Red:

The solution is fresh content. This forum has stagnated because zOMG! has stagnated, with no new content to discuss, we've resorted to accentuating the bad habits we all have. We're all here to waste time (if we weren't, I doubt most of us would be here sweatdrop ), and we'll do it by any means neccessary sweatdrop
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Alright you disagree, I am ok with this


Not happening


You seem to post the same thing on this thread as the last one, care to explain why youa re doing this?

Because this is a pointless thread.
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you seem to be confused between newbs and noobs.
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Most "newbs" are "noobs" or get kicked so fast that you dont know which one they are

it seems to me that you're just assuming a whole lot and actually have very little facts.



I have my facts, how often do you even play zOMG now a days, you play HoC quite abit, I know my facts now a days than you, I get in crews, I face the "newbs: and "noobs" and yeah I am apart of the fire that I get alittle annoyed by them but its a game, we all must learn at some point, rather teach someone earlier on than waiting for a 12.0 to come to smeb and be like I have never smeb'd before, idk what I am doing, I have had that happen before

going to try to actually respond to this now...

this is kind of sad. now you're just bashing me in an attempt to outgun the things I say. nice. rolleyes

it doesn't matter WHEN they learn it, so long as they are WILLING to learn it. you don't know what other people have been through. they might have taken a hiatus for a while, or done nothing but DMS since it first came out- you don't know. and as terror and gem said, there are literally HUNDREDS of different ways to do smeb. two years it's been around and we STILL all can't agree on one set way to do it.

noobs have been around since the dawn of time. if they still haven't learned to actually take the advice that other people give them, they won't ever figure it out, so why continue trying to help them?



I am tired of trying to explain this x.x of course as all of the threads posted in this forum, people just argue and this only adds to the fire of what is already here, I was only trying to help better the community but I guess it wont change at all :/ well I suck now and prolly hated

No, you weren't. This thread was literally just a rant thread. You did nothing to try to help the community.
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it seems to me that you're just assuming a whole lot and actually have very little facts.



I have my facts, how often do you even play zOMG now a days, you play HoC quite abit, I know my facts now a days than you, I get in crews, I face the "newbs: and "noobs" and yeah I am apart of the fire that I get alittle annoyed by them but its a game, we all must learn at some point, rather teach someone earlier on than waiting for a 12.0 to come to smeb and be like I have never smeb'd before, idk what I am doing, I have had that happen before

going to try to actually respond to this now...

this is kind of sad. now you're just bashing me in an attempt to outgun the things I say. nice. rolleyes

it doesn't matter WHEN they learn it, so long as they are WILLING to learn it. you don't know what other people have been through. they might have taken a hiatus for a while, or done nothing but DMS since it first came out- you don't know. and as terror and gem said, there are literally HUNDREDS of different ways to do smeb. two years it's been around and we STILL all can't agree on one set way to do it.

noobs have been around since the dawn of time. if they still haven't learned to actually take the advice that other people give them, they won't ever figure it out, so why continue trying to help them?



I am tired of trying to explain this x.x of course as all of the threads posted in this forum, people just argue and this only adds to the fire of what is already here, I was only trying to help better the community but I guess it wont change at all :/ well I suck now and prolly hated

No, you weren't. This thread was literally just a rant thread. You did nothing to try to help the community.



This wasnt a rant thread, I was trying to help but as the community is, it would look like a regular thread in this forum so I wont even bother anymore, this was obviously a waste of time and "pointless" to people so just stop posting a bumping this thread please
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it seems to me that you're just assuming a whole lot and actually have very little facts.



I have my facts, how often do you even play zOMG now a days, you play HoC quite abit, I know my facts now a days than you, I get in crews, I face the "newbs: and "noobs" and yeah I am apart of the fire that I get alittle annoyed by them but its a game, we all must learn at some point, rather teach someone earlier on than waiting for a 12.0 to come to smeb and be like I have never smeb'd before, idk what I am doing, I have had that happen before

going to try to actually respond to this now...

this is kind of sad. now you're just bashing me in an attempt to outgun the things I say. nice. rolleyes

it doesn't matter WHEN they learn it, so long as they are WILLING to learn it. you don't know what other people have been through. they might have taken a hiatus for a while, or done nothing but DMS since it first came out- you don't know. and as terror and gem said, there are literally HUNDREDS of different ways to do smeb. two years it's been around and we STILL all can't agree on one set way to do it.

noobs have been around since the dawn of time. if they still haven't learned to actually take the advice that other people give them, they won't ever figure it out, so why continue trying to help them?



I am tired of trying to explain this x.x of course as all of the threads posted in this forum, people just argue and this only adds to the fire of what is already here, I was only trying to help better the community but I guess it wont change at all :/ well I suck now and prolly hated

No, you weren't. This thread was literally just a rant thread. You did nothing to try to help the community.



This wasnt a rant thread, I was trying to help but as the community is, it would look like a regular thread in this forum so I wont even bother anymore, this was obviously a waste of time and "pointless" to people so just stop posting a bumping this thread please

Reread your post. There was nothing in it helpful to the z! community. neutral

People have already told you what's wrong with your post so I'm not going to rehash that, especially because you seem to be incapable of understanding the other side. Sorry I don't want to crew with people who don't listen.

but btw, I was one of those people above 10.0 who didn't know what smob was because the quest chain gets confusing and it's easy to do things out of order.
I will admit I have only read the first post and refuse to read any other posts, so I may be stating something already said... but what's on my mind:

What can zOMG's players do when there's nothing else to really talk about or do? The game is stagnant after all~

Aside from the occasional newcomer and question that needs answering, all that's left to do is share stories, opinions, and thoughts on mostly stale content. If not those, making fun however possible with the same content. The easiest way to do that is be silly and random~

Thus, for threads that do get any sort of "discussion" going, like here, all that can be done is to argue one's viewpoint as correct. In most cases, that devolves into disagreement and "drama". I may be wrong in that statement, but a gut feeling tells me that's the general content of this thread~

...Actually, I really would rather look like a fool for making this post and be wrong about my guess. Fingers crossed... but still not reading the rest (I apologize~)

Anyway, the most certain way to stop argument/hate for an opinion is to simply not post. Which itself can't happen, else the forum will most certainly die~

So, it's either a community that tries to stay afloat by taking whatever it can, or a community that simply dies and never has another chance~

Unfortunately, gaia's lack of care for zOMG leaves it pretty much in that state. At least in my opinion~

Edit: I fail~ xd

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