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do you think circumcision is cruel and mutilation?
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Wrong, it would be you who didn't read HIS post. But that's okay, you have a habit of doing that and accusing others of it.
Wrong, unless, the child stays at the hospital that baby is going home cut or uncut and that's because it's the parents choice.
To say circumcision is the only choice a parent makes it wrong.
They chose to leave him uncircumcised or they chose to have him circumcised.
To say circumcision is the only choice a parent makes it wrong.
They chose to leave him uncircumcised or they chose to have him circumcised.
Maybe you really ARE this dense. I give up on you, you're too thick to get it, and I think it's because to grasp it would mean having to reassess the way you think and most people refuse to do that.
I'm not dense but I'm not ignorant enough to believe at birth my child can tell the doctors what he wants.
The parents make the choice of keeping him uncircumcised.
The parents make the choice of circumcising him.
Unless your baby can talk and vouch for himself, it is not his choice.
NOW with that being said, the parents that CHOSE to keep their child uncircumcised allow that child to choose in the future.
At birth, it is still the parent's choice either way.
The parents make the choice of keeping him uncircumcised.
The parents make the choice of circumcising him.
Unless your baby can talk and vouch for himself, it is not his choice.
NOW with that being said, the parents that CHOSE to keep their child uncircumcised allow that child to choose in the future.
At birth, it is still the parent's choice either way.
You ARE dense and you ARE ignorant if you don't grasp the concept of the parent should not have the right to alter their son's genitals just like they do not have the right to tattoo their newborns, or pierce their newborns, or hell circumcise their FEMALE newborns. You can't wrap your little mind around that concept, you're too ******** thick to get it. You're too damn dense so you're not worth the ******** effort to even attempt to make you THINK.
It's so funny how you accuse me of being dense when everyone else can see where I'm going with this.
Whether you circumcise your child or not, it's your choice.
YOU CHOOSE to leave the hospital with your son UNCIRCUMCISED.
That is not something your child chose, that's something YOU CHOSE.
It's so funny to me that you're tossing insults to just because you can't seem to grasp what I'm saying.
Whether you circumcise your child or not, it's your choice.
YOU CHOOSE to leave the hospital with your son UNCIRCUMCISED.
That is not something your child chose, that's something YOU CHOSE.
It's so funny to me that you're tossing insults to just because you can't seem to grasp what I'm saying.
Chitsa Black
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Wrong, it would be you who didn't read HIS post. But that's okay, you have a habit of doing that and accusing others of it.
Wrong, unless, the child stays at the hospital that baby is going home cut or uncut and that's because it's the parents choice.
To say circumcision is the only choice a parent makes it wrong.
They chose to leave him uncircumcised or they chose to have him circumcised.
To say circumcision is the only choice a parent makes it wrong.
They chose to leave him uncircumcised or they chose to have him circumcised.
Maybe you really ARE this dense. I give up on you, you're too thick to get it, and I think it's because to grasp it would mean having to reassess the way you think and most people refuse to do that.
I'm not dense but I'm not ignorant enough to believe at birth my child can tell the doctors what he wants.
The parents make the choice of keeping him uncircumcised.
The parents make the choice of circumcising him.
Unless your baby can talk and vouch for himself, it is not his choice.
NOW with that being said, the parents that CHOSE to keep their child uncircumcised allow that child to choose in the future.
At birth, it is still the parent's choice either way.
The parents make the choice of keeping him uncircumcised.
The parents make the choice of circumcising him.
Unless your baby can talk and vouch for himself, it is not his choice.
NOW with that being said, the parents that CHOSE to keep their child uncircumcised allow that child to choose in the future.
At birth, it is still the parent's choice either way.
You ARE dense and you ARE ignorant if you don't grasp the concept of the parent should not have the right to alter their son's genitals just like they do not have the right to tattoo their newborns, or pierce their newborns, or hell circumcise their FEMALE newborns. You can't wrap your little mind around that concept, you're too ******** thick to get it. You're too damn dense so you're not worth the ******** effort to even attempt to make you THINK.
It's so funny how you accuse me of being dense when everyone else can see where I'm going with this.
Whether you circumcise your child or not, it's your choice.
YOU CHOOSE to leave the hospital with your son UNCIRCUMCISED.
That is not something your child chose, that's something YOU CHOSE.
It's so funny to me that you're tossing insults to just because you can't seem to grasp what I'm saying.
Whether you circumcise your child or not, it's your choice.
YOU CHOOSE to leave the hospital with your son UNCIRCUMCISED.
That is not something your child chose, that's something YOU CHOSE.
It's so funny to me that you're tossing insults to just because you can't seem to grasp what I'm saying.
No honey, you're the one who failed to grasp the concept from the very start of Ransom's post which is THE PARENT SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, IT SHOULD BE JUST AS ILLEGAL TO VIOLATE A MALE'S BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AS IT IS TO VIOLATE A FEMALE'S BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. NO FEMALE UNDER THE AGE OF EIGHTEEN CAN BE GIVEN ANY FORM OF GENITAL ALTERATIONS UNLESS IT IS A MEDICALLY NECESSARY PROCEDURE. TO DO SO WOULD BE VIOLATING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. THIS PROTECTION IS NOT GIVEN TO MALES WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT MALES ARE NOT WORTHY OF BEING PROTECTED.
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Maybe you really ARE this dense. I give up on you, you're too thick to get it, and I think it's because to grasp it would mean having to reassess the way you think and most people refuse to do that.
I'm not dense but I'm not ignorant enough to believe at birth my child can tell the doctors what he wants.
The parents make the choice of keeping him uncircumcised.
The parents make the choice of circumcising him.
Unless your baby can talk and vouch for himself, it is not his choice.
NOW with that being said, the parents that CHOSE to keep their child uncircumcised allow that child to choose in the future.
At birth, it is still the parent's choice either way.
The parents make the choice of keeping him uncircumcised.
The parents make the choice of circumcising him.
Unless your baby can talk and vouch for himself, it is not his choice.
NOW with that being said, the parents that CHOSE to keep their child uncircumcised allow that child to choose in the future.
At birth, it is still the parent's choice either way.
You ARE dense and you ARE ignorant if you don't grasp the concept of the parent should not have the right to alter their son's genitals just like they do not have the right to tattoo their newborns, or pierce their newborns, or hell circumcise their FEMALE newborns. You can't wrap your little mind around that concept, you're too ******** thick to get it. You're too damn dense so you're not worth the ******** effort to even attempt to make you THINK.
It's so funny how you accuse me of being dense when everyone else can see where I'm going with this.
Whether you circumcise your child or not, it's your choice.
YOU CHOOSE to leave the hospital with your son UNCIRCUMCISED.
That is not something your child chose, that's something YOU CHOSE.
It's so funny to me that you're tossing insults to just because you can't seem to grasp what I'm saying.
Whether you circumcise your child or not, it's your choice.
YOU CHOOSE to leave the hospital with your son UNCIRCUMCISED.
That is not something your child chose, that's something YOU CHOSE.
It's so funny to me that you're tossing insults to just because you can't seem to grasp what I'm saying.
No honey, you're the one who failed to grasp the concept from the very start of Ransom's post which is THE PARENT SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, IT SHOULD BE JUST AS ILLEGAL TO VIOLATE A MALE'S BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AS IT IS TO VIOLATE A FEMALE'S BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. NO FEMALE UNDER THE AGE OF EIGHTEEN CAN BE GIVEN ANY FORM OF GENITAL ALTERATIONS UNLESS IT IS A MEDICALLY NECESSARY PROCEDURE. TO DO SO WOULD BE VIOLATING THEIR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. THIS PROTECTION IS NOT GIVEN TO MALES WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT MALES ARE NOT WORTHY OF BEING PROTECTED. YOU ARE TOO ******** DENSE TO GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.
You still fail to see where I'm going with this.
If your child is uncircumcised, it is because you -as a parent- chose to leave him that way.
If you don't feel the parent should have a right to do anything to the child then leave him at the hospital because either way, that child is going home the way YOU -as the parent- wanted him.
Don't call me "******** dense" just because you can't grasp the concept I was making.
If your child is uncircumcised, it is because you -as a parent- chose to leave him that way.
If you don't feel the parent should have a right to do anything to the child then leave him at the hospital because either way, that child is going home the way YOU -as the parent- wanted him.
Don't call me "******** dense" just because you can't grasp the concept I was making.
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No matter what anyone says on here, if a parent choses to have their child circumcised it is their choice, no one elses.
I personally would not have my child circumcised as i am not religious and have never really concidered it but i have heard that it is more hygenic (for the males anyway!) I have not heard of female circumcision and do not know what it entails but i don't disagree with male circumcision as an earlier fact pointed out that having it done when the individual is very young, they will not remember whereas if the child is older (and able to decide for themselves) they are more likely to remember and refer to it as a bad experience.
Just my opinion ;D
I personally would not have my child circumcised as i am not religious and have never really concidered it but i have heard that it is more hygenic (for the males anyway!) I have not heard of female circumcision and do not know what it entails but i don't disagree with male circumcision as an earlier fact pointed out that having it done when the individual is very young, they will not remember whereas if the child is older (and able to decide for themselves) they are more likely to remember and refer to it as a bad experience.
Just my opinion ;D
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No matter what anyone says on here, if a parent choses to have their child circumcised it is their choice, no one elses.
I personally would not have my child circumcised as i am not religious and have never really concidered it but i have heard that it is more hygenic (for the males anyway!) I have not heard of female circumcision and do not know what it entails but i don't disagree with male circumcision as an earlier fact pointed out that having it done when the individual is very young, they will not remember whereas if the child is older (and able to decide for themselves) they are more likely to remember and refer to it as a bad experience.
Just my opinion ;D
I personally would not have my child circumcised as i am not religious and have never really concidered it but i have heard that it is more hygenic (for the males anyway!) I have not heard of female circumcision and do not know what it entails but i don't disagree with male circumcision as an earlier fact pointed out that having it done when the individual is very young, they will not remember whereas if the child is older (and able to decide for themselves) they are more likely to remember and refer to it as a bad experience.
Just my opinion ;D
And you're going to get chewed out so bad for your opinion.
Just a heads up.
Just a heads up.
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No matter what anyone says on here, if a parent choses to have their child circumcised it is their choice, no one elses.
I personally would not have my child circumcised as i am not religious and have never really concidered it but i have heard that it is more hygenic (for the males anyway!) I have not heard of female circumcision and do not know what it entails but i don't disagree with male circumcision as an earlier fact pointed out that having it done when the individual is very young, they will not remember whereas if the child is older (and able to decide for themselves) they are more likely to remember and refer to it as a bad experience.
Just my opinion ;D
I personally would not have my child circumcised as i am not religious and have never really concidered it but i have heard that it is more hygenic (for the males anyway!) I have not heard of female circumcision and do not know what it entails but i don't disagree with male circumcision as an earlier fact pointed out that having it done when the individual is very young, they will not remember whereas if the child is older (and able to decide for themselves) they are more likely to remember and refer to it as a bad experience.
Just my opinion ;D
And you're going to get chewed out so bad for your opinion.
Just a heads up.
Just a heads up.
aha thanks :p
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No matter what anyone says on here, if a parent choses to have their child circumcised it is their choice, no one elses.
I personally would not have my child circumcised as i am not religious and have never really concidered it but i have heard that it is more hygenic (for the males anyway!) I have not heard of female circumcision and do not know what it entails but i don't disagree with male circumcision as an earlier fact pointed out that having it done when the individual is very young, they will not remember whereas if the child is older (and able to decide for themselves) they are more likely to remember and refer to it as a bad experience.
Just my opinion ;D
I personally would not have my child circumcised as i am not religious and have never really concidered it but i have heard that it is more hygenic (for the males anyway!) I have not heard of female circumcision and do not know what it entails but i don't disagree with male circumcision as an earlier fact pointed out that having it done when the individual is very young, they will not remember whereas if the child is older (and able to decide for themselves) they are more likely to remember and refer to it as a bad experience.
Just my opinion ;D
Why should a parent be allowed to alter the genitals of their son? We protect female genitals, we call it a violation of their basic human rights, we make it illegal and arrest anyone who removes parts of their daughter's genitals from her, so why is it that males are not granted these same basic human rights? Are our sons not human? Are they other and thus undeserving of having their bodies and rights protected? Do we care so little about our sons that we would think violating their bodies, removing parts of their genitals is acceptable? Do we think so little of our sons as to want to risk damaging their genitals, as much of the problems that arise do not present themselves until they're much older? Are our sons so beneath us that we would think so little of them, their lives, their bodies, and yes even their sex lives?
It is not more hygienic to remove part of the p***s. Roughly 80% of the world is both intact and clean. To use that as an excuse means you want to be a lazy parent and not teach your child how to wash himself. The v****a has more skin folds making it far more difficult to keep clean, yet we do not advocate removing the inner labia to make it more hygienic.
By your reasoning of 'they won't remember it' you are thus advocating rape and abuse because as long as they don't remember it, it isn't going to affect them. Let's ignore the fact that studies have proven this reasoning to be false. Using the logic of 'as long as it isn't remembered it's okay' you are advocating all kinds of horrible acts as long as the victim cannot remember it happening to them. Don't hide behind 'that's not legal' because that is an appeal to authority and a logical fallacy. If it's okay to do one thing based on 'they won't remember it', it is okay to do other things based on the same reasoning.
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Isn't male circumcision done for hygene purposes?
No, but that is the bullshit many Americans believe, trust me 80% of the world is uncut and does not have hygiene issues.
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You still fail to see where I'm going with this.
If your child is uncircumcised, it is because you -as a parent- chose to leave him that way.
If you don't feel the parent should have a right to do anything to the child then leave him at the hospital because either way, that child is going home the way YOU -as the parent- wanted him.
Don't call me "******** dense" just because you can't grasp the concept I was making.
If your child is uncircumcised, it is because you -as a parent- chose to leave him that way.
If you don't feel the parent should have a right to do anything to the child then leave him at the hospital because either way, that child is going home the way YOU -as the parent- wanted him.
Don't call me "******** dense" just because you can't grasp the concept I was making.
Hey, dumb ********, your still an ignorant a** for not bothering to ******** READ AND COMPREHEND WHAT IS BEING SAID. Gods, anyone this goddamn stupid shouldn't be allowed to breed. I pity your kid for having an ignorant person like you as a mother. Hopefully her father has a little more intelligence than you have.
Your ******** 'concept' has s**t all to do with WHAT YOU REPLIED TO AND WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR PAGES AND PAGES. YOU'RE TOO GOD DAMNED ******** DENSE TO ******** GET IT. NO PARENT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ABOUT THEIR SON'S GENITALS. IT IS A DECISION THAT SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE MALE WHEN HE IS OF AN AGE TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE IF HE WANTS PART OF IT REMOVED. IT IS ILLEGAL FOR A PARENT TO DECIDE TO CHOP OFF PART OF THEIR DAUGHTERS v****a BECAUSE IT IS A VIOLATION OF HER BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. THIS IS A PROTECTION THAT MALES ARE EXCLUDED FROM WHEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE UNLESS YOU ARE SAYING THAT MALES ARE NOT HUMAN AND THUS ARE UNDESERVING OF BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.
Do you ******** comprehend it now or are you still too god damned stupid to do so?
I'm sorry you feel that way to the point you have to cuss someone out and throw insults.
This was not about the circumcision only.
Ransom said that parents should haven't the right to choose whether the child is circumcised or not.
I merely pointed out that a parent chooses since the child can't talk.
If the child is uncircumcised it's because the parents chose not to circumcise him.
If the child is circumcised then it's because the parents chose to circumcise him.
I'm sorry that you and Chista are the only ones that can't see my point.
I'm also sorry that you have to resort to petty name calling, insults, and personal attacks as response to something you can't understand.
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Also, learn to read, I never once said that a female should have special treatment for the lesser circumcision after Mr Ransom filled me in.
Don't accuse me of doing so.
This was not about the circumcision only.
Ransom said that parents should haven't the right to choose whether the child is circumcised or not.
I merely pointed out that a parent chooses since the child can't talk.
If the child is uncircumcised it's because the parents chose not to circumcise him.
If the child is circumcised then it's because the parents chose to circumcise him.
I'm sorry that you and Chista are the only ones that can't see my point.
I'm also sorry that you have to resort to petty name calling, insults, and personal attacks as response to something you can't understand.
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Also, learn to read, I never once said that a female should have special treatment for the lesser circumcision after Mr Ransom filled me in.
Don't accuse me of doing so.
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I find it funny how the majority of anti-circumcision people use insults to try to back themselves up. It's almost like PETA. "I'm retarded? Ah! That's why I want to circumcise my kid! I'll be 'smart' and be anti-circ. Thanks!"
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I find it funny how the majority of anti-circumcision people use insults to try to back themselves up. It's almost like PETA. "I'm retarded? Ah! That's why I want to circumcise my kid! I'll be 'smart' and be anti-circ. Thanks!"
So far the only people that have insulted me were that Soleil girl, Chista Black, and now this new chick and what I find funny is they show up out of nowhere and pick up the SAME argumentative insults that the other left off with. Nothing else until later, but they just try to accuse me of things I don't support just because I don't push my opinion on others. I don't see how murder, rape, ect is the same as circumcision.
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But I do agree, people like that last one should not be allowed to debate.
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But I do agree, people like that last one should not be allowed to debate.
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I find it funny how the majority of anti-circumcision people use insults to try to back themselves up. It's almost like PETA. "I'm retarded? Ah! That's why I want to circumcise my kid! I'll be 'smart' and be anti-circ. Thanks!"
So far the only people that have insulted me were that Soleil girl, Chista Black, and now this new chick and what I find funny is they show up out of nowhere and pick up the SAME argumentative insults that the other left off with. Nothing else until later, but they just try to accuse me of things I don't support just because I don't push my opinion on others. I don't see how murder, rape, ect is the same as circumcision.
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But I do agree, people like that last one should not be allowed to debate.
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But I do agree, people like that last one should not be allowed to debate.
I've seen Sensorium insulting people.
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You still fail to see where I'm going with this.
If your child is uncircumcised, it is because you -as a parent- chose to leave him that way.
If you don't feel the parent should have a right to do anything to the child then leave him at the hospital because either way, that child is going home the way YOU -as the parent- wanted him.
Don't call me "******** dense" just because you can't grasp the concept I was making.
If your child is uncircumcised, it is because you -as a parent- chose to leave him that way.
If you don't feel the parent should have a right to do anything to the child then leave him at the hospital because either way, that child is going home the way YOU -as the parent- wanted him.
Don't call me "******** dense" just because you can't grasp the concept I was making.
Hey, dumb ********, your still an ignorant a** for not bothering to ******** READ AND COMPREHEND WHAT IS BEING SAID. Gods, anyone this goddamn stupid shouldn't be allowed to breed. I pity your kid for having an ignorant person like you as a mother. Hopefully her father has a little more intelligence than you have.
Your ******** 'concept' has s**t all to do with WHAT YOU REPLIED TO AND WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR PAGES AND PAGES. YOU'RE TOO GOD DAMNED ******** DENSE TO ******** GET IT. NO PARENT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ABOUT THEIR SON'S GENITALS. IT IS A DECISION THAT SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE MALE WHEN HE IS OF AN AGE TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE IF HE WANTS PART OF IT REMOVED. IT IS ILLEGAL FOR A PARENT TO DECIDE TO CHOP OFF PART OF THEIR DAUGHTERS v****a BECAUSE IT IS A VIOLATION OF HER BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. THIS IS A PROTECTION THAT MALES ARE EXCLUDED FROM WHEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE UNLESS YOU ARE SAYING THAT MALES ARE NOT HUMAN AND THUS ARE UNDESERVING OF BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.
Do you ******** comprehend it now or are you still too god damned stupid to do so?
Seriously, you need to learn how to debate before you come to a place like this. I could easily start throwing s**t at you for your opinion because its different from mine. Bahama_Momma has her opinion and you have yours, deal with it and dont bash someone because they have a different view on this. You have to do your research on female circumcision before even bringing it here. If a girl gets her clitoris cut off the chances of her dying are really big. She can get infections just like that, bleeding, damage to the urinary tract and sepsis. The only reason a female would get circumcised is because of their religious view and it is only done so few places. Male circumcision on the other hand can be done everywhere as long as the doctor has education and experience. Male and Female Circumcision are two different things. This thread is about Male. The baby will never miss what it never had. Trust me, it hurts so much more the longer you wait with circumcision. The parents decide if the baby should be circumcised or not. The baby has no opinion of its on whatsoever. Do/will you ask your baby if she/he would want to have "Chris" as its name? Do you ask your baby if it want to be baptised as a christian? I hardly think you do. This is why parents are given the responsibility of a child because it cannot decide for itself.
