Atheists are deluded

[Jubilant Sunrise]

Rainbowed-Panda

In fact, we evolved from homo erectus which evolved from hominids, which went on down the line.

Actually, we evolved from homo sapiens, also known as the Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon, which evolved from Homo erectus. We are Homo sapiens sapiens. Good points down the line, though.

[Xiam]

Not atheist, and I'll agree with you on the general statement of the title, but I disagree on your points. Let's examine them, shall we?

Love and Vengence

I mean, come on! Have you seen the world around us? How can a world with so much beauty and wonder (as well as being perfectly placed in our solar system to support human life) be created by pure happenstance? It does not make logical sense to me.

When you consider the sheer number of stars in the galaxy alone, and then consider how many celestial bodies we have in the solar system alone (planets, moons, dwarf planets, planetoids, comets, asteroids, etc.), it becomes easy to imagine that eventually, something is going to get that beautiful combination of location, size, and chemical makeup to allow for life (and intelligent life, at that). I cannot say that it is simply "blind luck," as one cannot be certain of that. But I could say, at the very least, that this is the way the Universe works. Give enough opportunities, and eventually something will spring forth. As for beauty and wonder, that's simply the human way of looking at it. We simply like the patterns of the cosmos, which simply grew that way out of the natural order of things just as our own existence had.

Love and Vengence

Atheists also claim that we evolved from monkeys. Seriously? If this is the case, why is it that we still have monkeys roaming around? Clearly we must have come about in our current form.

Poe's Law seems to be confounding me at the moment. This argument is so commonplace that it's hard to tell when it's honest or satirical.

Suffice it to say, we didn't evolve from monkeys. We, monkeys, and apes all evolved from a common ancestor.

Think about this. Let's imagine a boy. Any boy. Generic Boy #1. This boy has a sister. Now, his sister was not born from his sister. He doesn't even really look like his sister, does he? But they share a common ancestor - their mother and father. Your mistake is that you assume we are saying the boy was born from his sister, and then you are asking why this is true if his sister is still alive.

Love and Vengence

Look at the number of Christians in the world. It is the most widespread and believed religion on Earth today. All those people cannot statistically be wrong, can they?

Appeal to the masses. You assume that because many people believe it, it must be true.

Prior to Christianity, the larger religions were various forms of paganism. There were a lot of them. Hindu, Greek and Roman, especially. Now, there were many people believing these, so certainly they must be true, right?

In fact, there are still about 900 million to 1 billion Hindus in the world. And if you check that chart I provided, Islam is the second largest religion. Islam proclaims that Jesus is not God, but merely a prophet of God. If they keep growing and overrun Christianity, does that mean they're right and you are suddenly wrong?

All those people can be wrong. There's nothing in numbers of how many people believe something that says it's automatically correct. Reality is not a democracy, and majority vote does not define what is true. What is true defines what is true, and that is much harder to gauge than simply proclaiming it to be so, or sourcing an earlier claim to the same effect.

The reason why I agree that atheists are deluded is that they can be just as certain of the outcome as you are, that if there is an honest claim to the contrary, they will ignore it for their own skeptical bias.

So, whether you're a troll or not, there's my rebuttal from atop the fence.

[The Forbidden Soul]

Even if i did believe in a god wouldnt i also be inclined to believe in the laws of gravity, physics, and science that he inherently made? So happenstance wouldnt be such a terrible concept to grasp now would it? Also, from a 2 second Google search I found an answer to your monkeys.
" In the section on "Human Evolution," the publication notes, "today there is no significant scientific doubt about the close evolutionary relationships among all primates, including humans."

Evolution doesn't work as a simple find-and-replace function. Have you ever seen the evolutionary "tree" diagrams in a science book? Those trees show how different species branch off and go in different evolutionary directions. That doesn't necessarily mean everything else dies."

So what have we learned? Google is you friend. And asking questions without googling first makes you look lazy and irresponsible.
Its funny you talk about statistics when you apparently dont believe in ones that disagree with you. 33% of the world is christian, it is the biggest religion on earth. However that means that 67% of the world is NOT christian. Are you saying the rest of the world is statistically wrong?

[deadmanjay]

I rate you a D for trying too hard.

An F for trying even less than your first post.

An F- for acting like you worship something when clearly, you are a liar.

A C for having some people believe that you aren't trying way too damn hard to sound like a fundie, which would make you in reality, an angst. Congratulations, you can shop at the Gap and Sears and Babies R Us.

[GunsmithKitten]

Love and Vengence

I've read several Kirk Cameron books - I have, at the very least, a reasonable knowledge of evolution, thank you very much.

NO you don't if you think it states that we evolved from monkeys. Evolution does not state that.

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How does it work?

Common ancestor. Not monkeys.

[Love and Vengence]

GunsmithKitten

Quote:

How does it work?

Common ancestor. Not monkeys.

What is this "common ancestor" everybody keeps mentioning?

[GunsmithKitten]

Love and Vengence

GunsmithKitten

Quote:

How does it work?

Common ancestor. Not monkeys.

What is this "common ancestor" everybody keeps mentioning?

You tell us, you claim to be well versed in "The Evolution of the Species" and all the derived theories from it. Or did "Doctor" Cameron neglect that?

[Love and Vengence]

GunsmithKitten

Love and Vengence

GunsmithKitten

Quote:

How does it work?

Common ancestor. Not monkeys.

What is this "common ancestor" everybody keeps mentioning?

You tell us, you claim to be well versed in "The Evolution of the Species" and all the derived theories from it. Or did "Doctor" Cameron neglect that?

I have no reason to believe that this "common ancestry" has anything to do with evolution, the way you are acting about it.

[My S0ul_Your Beats]

Oh, so because you can't understand that life could be because of random chance, so "God" must have done it? And you're calling Atheists deluded?

[Sinister Angelique]

Love and Vengence

I mean, come on! Have you seen the world around us? How can a world with so much beauty and wonder (as well as being perfectly placed in our solar system to support human life) be created by pure happenstance? It does not make logical sense to me. Atheists also claim that we evolved from monkeys. Seriously? If this is the case, why is it that we still have monkeys roaming around? Clearly we must have come about in our current form. Look at the number of Christians in the world. It is the most widespread and believed religion on Earth today. All those people cannot statistically be wrong, can they?

talk2hand

[Love and Vengence]

After Sch00l Tea Time

Oh, so because you can't understand that life could be because of random chance, so "God" must have done it? And you're calling Atheists deluded?

Yes. Do you know the statistical likelihood of this world being made by pure happenstance the way it was to support our life?

[Requiem ex Inferni]

Love and Vengence

GunsmithKitten

Quote:

How does it work?

Common ancestor. Not monkeys.

What is this "common ancestor" everybody keeps mentioning?

*sigh* Alright, I'll bite.

Common ancestry means that if you take two similar species, and trace their genetic lineage back far enough, eventually there will be a point where they evolved from the same species. That one species evolved into two very similar but different species due divergent evolution (look up Darwin's finches for more info on that).

Just as an example, let's take the four members of the Hominidae family- humans, orangutans, chimpanzees and gorillas. If you trace all four species back far enough, you will come to a point where they were once one species. That's why humans share 98% of our DNA with chimps, gorillas and orangutans and are classified in the same family as them- at some point several million years ago, we effectively WERE the same species.

This means that while we did evolve from apes, we did NOT evolve from chimpanzees and such, which is why the "why don't we see chimps evolving into humans today" argument that creationists like to throw around doesn't work.

[Love and Vengence]

Requiem in Mortis

Love and Vengence

GunsmithKitten

Quote:

How does it work?

Common ancestor. Not monkeys.

What is this "common ancestor" everybody keeps mentioning?

*sigh* Alright, I'll bite.

Common ancestry means that if you take two similar species, and trace their genetic lineage back far enough, eventually there will be a point where they evolved from the same species. That one species evolved into two very similar but different species due divergent evolution (look up Darwin's finches for more info on that).

Just as an example, let's take the four members of the Hominidae family- humans, orangutans, chimpanzees and gorillas. If you trace all four species back far enough, you will come to a point where they were once one species. That's why humans share 98% of our DNA with chimps, gorillas and orangutans and are classified in the same family as them- at some point several million years ago, we effectively WERE the same species.

This means that while we did evolve from apes, we did NOT evolve from chimpanzees and such, which is why the "why don't we see chimps evolving into humans today" argument that creationists like to throw around doesn't work.

What is our common ancestor?

[GunsmithKitten]

Love and Vengence

After Sch00l Tea Time

Oh, so because you can't understand that life could be because of random chance, so "God" must have done it? And you're calling Atheists deluded?

Yes. Do you know the statistical likelihood of this world being made by pure happenstance the way it was to support our life?

Improbable =/= Impossible.

[Love and Vengence]

GunsmithKitten

Love and Vengence

After Sch00l Tea Time

Oh, so because you can't understand that life could be because of random chance, so "God" must have done it? And you're calling Atheists deluded?

Yes. Do you know the statistical likelihood of this world being made by pure happenstance the way it was to support our life?

Improbable =/= Impossible.

If I may use an atheist's argument for their disbelief in God: if it is improbable, why should I believe it occurred over something that seems much more likely?