ATHEIST and CHRISTIAN

[Math145 Kane]

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EsgarBlackpoxs

Well, if we use the 'soft/hard' definition of Atheism, then babies are TECHNICALLY soft atheists. Technically.

No. Atheism is a response to theism, so at least a small understanding of theism is needed, secondly, it's a bit uneducated to state there's no such thing as a theistic child , but then go on to say there is such thing as a atheistic child and finally who are you to decide what a child believes and doesn't ?

Atheism doesn't require belief.
It simply requires to not be Theistic.

Where did I say anything about belief ? I only mentioned understanding and I also stated it's illogical for babies to be born anything other than babies because they can't comprehend for themselves. And finally that's debatable, prove to me there's no god ? Unless you can prove there's no god then atheism itself is still subjective just like theism. There's quite a difference between giving logical reasons to not to believe in a God and there actually not being a God.

A. Burden Of Proof is on the one making the claim.
I am not making a claim, I'm simply not believing in a claim.
B. One is Atheist if they don't believe in a God.
Babies are not capable of believing in a God, thus they are Atheist.

why not agnostic?

Agnosticism is not a claim of belief but knowledge.
You're either one of for.
Gnostic Theist - Believe in a God/s and know that God is real
Agnostic Theist - Believe in a God/s, but know there's no way of truly knowing if God is real.
Gnostic Atheist - Do not believe in a God and know that he is not real.
Agnostic Atheist - Do not believe in a God and know there's no way of truly knowing if God isn't real.

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Math145 Kane

A. Burden Of Proof is on the one making the claim.

Fine then, I'm going to assume you're claiming babies are atheists, prove that they are.

Math145 Kane

I am not making a claim, I'm simply not believing in a claim.

Mind you, I'm amusing this, but you're claiming babies are atheists, no ?

Prove it.

Math145 Kane

B. One is Atheist if they don't believe in a God.

It's logical that you would say that, but because it's logical doesn't make it true.

Math145 Kane

Babies are not capable of believing in a God, thus they are Atheist.

Babies are not capable of atheism, atheism is just a way of personal identification, who are you to decide such a thing on the baby's behalf ? Secondly, is atheism not a response to theism ?

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Math145 Kane

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Math145 Kane

Atheism doesn't require belief.
It simply requires to not be Theistic.

Where did I say anything about belief ? I only mentioned understanding and I also stated it's illogical for babies to be born anything other than babies because they can't comprehend for themselves. And finally that's debatable, prove to me there's no god ? Unless you can prove there's no god then atheism itself is still subjective just like theism. There's quite a difference between giving logical reasons to not to believe in a God and there actually not being a God.

A. Burden Of Proof is on the one making the claim.
I am not making a claim, I'm simply not believing in a claim.
B. One is Atheist if they don't believe in a God.
Babies are not capable of believing in a God, thus they are Atheist.

why not agnostic?

Agnosticism is not a claim of belief but knowledge.
You're either one of for.
Gnostic Theist - Believe in a God/s and know that God is real
Agnostic Theist - Believe in a God/s, but know there's no way of truly knowing if God is real.
Gnostic Atheist - Do not believe in a God and know that he is not real.
Agnostic Atheist - Do not believe in a God and know there's no way of truly knowing if God isn't real.

This is suggestive enough atheism is still subjective, until then it's not logical that babies are atheists.

[Math145 Kane]

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Babies are not capable of atheism, atheism is just a way of personal identification, who are you to decide such a thin on the baby's behalf ? Secondly, is atheism not a response to theism ?

No, atheism is not a response to theism.
I am not deciding anything, and Atheism is not a way of personal identification.
If I had a choice I would not call myself an Atheist, but the definition of the words require one to be either Theist or Atheist.
And if one is not a Theist then they are thus an Atheist.
A baby cannot believe in a God; so they are not a Theist, or an Atheist

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Math145 Kane

No, atheism is not a response to theism.

What is it, then ? What does the term atheist mean, then ?

Math145 Kane

I am not deciding anything, and Atheism is not a way of personal identification.

Yes, it is.

When some one asks you "Do you believe in God ?" I'm assuming you're going to say "NO" and what is the term atheist for........?

Math145 Kane

If I had a choice I would not call myself an Atheist, but the definition of the words require one to be either Theist or Atheist.

I don't see how it's "required"

Math145 Kane

And if one is not a Theist then they are thus an Atheist.

Nope.

Remember those sweet definitions you gave back there ?

Yeah.

Math145 Kane

A baby cannot believe in a God; so they are not a Theist, or an Atheist

Bottom line, there's no such thing as a theist child, an agnostic child, or an atheist child.

Infants are just infants.

[Math145 Kane]

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Math145 Kane

No, atheism is not a response to theism.

What is it, then ? What does the term atheist mean, then ?

Math145 Kane

I am not deciding anything, and Atheism is not a way of personal identification.

Yes, it is.

When some one asks you "Do you believe in God ?" I'm assuming you're going to say "NO" and what is the term atheist for........?

Math145 Kane

If I had a choice I would not call myself an Atheist, but the definition of the words require one to be either Theist or Atheist.

I don't see how it's "required"

Math145 Kane

And if one is not a Theist then they are thus an Atheist.

Nope.

Remember those sweet definitions you gave back there ?

Yeah.

Math145 Kane

A baby cannot believe in a God; so they are not a Theist, or an Atheist

Bottom line, there's no such thing as a theist child, an agnostic child, or an atheist child.

Infants are just infants.

Well since everything I say is wrong in your eyes, we're done arguing.

Edit: Oh and Agnosticism is not the middle man for being Theist or Atheist.
But I'm probably wrong about that too.

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Math145 Kane

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Math145 Kane

No, atheism is not a response to theism.

What is it, then ? What does the term atheist mean, then ?

Math145 Kane

I am not deciding anything, and Atheism is not a way of personal identification.

Yes, it is.

When some one asks you "Do you believe in God ?" I'm assuming you're going to say "NO" and what is the term atheist for........?

Math145 Kane

If I had a choice I would not call myself an Atheist, but the definition of the words require one to be either Theist or Atheist.

I don't see how it's "required"

Math145 Kane

And if one is not a Theist then they are thus an Atheist.

Nope.

Remember those sweet definitions you gave back there ?

Yeah.

Math145 Kane

A baby cannot believe in a God; so they are not a Theist, or an Atheist

Bottom line, there's no such thing as a theist child, an agnostic child, or an atheist child.

Infants are just infants.

Well since everything I say is wrong in your eyes, we're done arguing.

Not everything, but enough of it is.

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EsgarBlackpoxs

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Comrade Tool

The question is why do people convert to Christianity? You are not born believing in any god, you are taught it...

You're right, babies are born BABIES.
There's no "Babies are born Theists" or "Babies are born Atheists" bullshit.
To even imply that we're born either is foolish. neutral

Well, if we use the 'soft/hard' definition of Atheism, then babies are TECHNICALLY soft atheists. Technically.

No. Atheism is a response to theism, so at least a small understanding of theism is needed, secondly, it's a bit uneducated to state there's no such thing as a theistic child , but then go on to say there is such thing as a atheistic child and finally who are you to decide what a child believes and doesn't ?

When you're born I highly doubt you're developed enough to understand the complexity of any religion, and if you're a child that can't believe in God because you're not developed enough then what are you? An atheist, that's what. Here's basically how I see it: You're not born knowing there's a God, knowing any religion, you are gradually taught that there is, or converted by others.

[Shuyajin]

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why do some people turn or convert into ATHEIST? i cant understand...

hope i don't offend anybody 4laugh

Im going to see this thread gets 'turned or converted' into an MRD thread. Reported.

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EsgarBlackpoxs

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Comrade Tool

The question is why do people convert to Christianity? You are not born believing in any god, you are taught it...

You're right, babies are born BABIES.
There's no "Babies are born Theists" or "Babies are born Atheists" bullshit.
To even imply that we're born either is foolish. neutral

Well, if we use the 'soft/hard' definition of Atheism, then babies are TECHNICALLY soft atheists. Technically.

No. Atheism is a response to theism, so at least a small understanding of theism is needed, secondly, it's a bit uneducated to state there's no such thing as a theistic child , but then go on to say there is such thing as a atheistic child and finally who are you to decide what a child believes and doesn't ?

Atheism doesn't require belief.
It simply requires to not be Theistic.

Where did I say anything about belief ? I only mentioned understanding and I also stated it's illogical for babies to be born anything other than babies because they can't comprehend for themselves. And finally that's debatable, prove to me there's no god ? Unless you can prove there's no god then atheism itself is still subjective just like theism. There's quite a difference between giving logical reasons to not to believe in a God and there actually not being a God.

I don't see how it's illogical. You either believe or you don't, if you don't believe because you can't comprehend much, then you still don't believe do you. The proof for god depends on you, not me, because there is no proof that god does exist. I disagree with you saying atheism is subjective instead of objective, or at least irreligious atheists. When we say when you die you rot in the ground(If you're buried), that is a objective truth. Seeing as there is no empirical data to be viewed concerning God, the fact that there is no material object we can study to confirm God's existence except for his "word", the only position you can objectively take is that God does not exist.

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Comrade Tool

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EsgarBlackpoxs

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Comrade Tool

The question is why do people convert to Christianity? You are not born believing in any god, you are taught it...

You're right, babies are born BABIES.
There's no "Babies are born Theists" or "Babies are born Atheists" bullshit.
To even imply that we're born either is foolish. neutral

Well, if we use the 'soft/hard' definition of Atheism, then babies are TECHNICALLY soft atheists. Technically.

No. Atheism is a response to theism, so at least a small understanding of theism is needed, secondly, it's a bit uneducated to state there's no such thing as a theistic child , but then go on to say there is such thing as a atheistic child and finally who are you to decide what a child believes and doesn't ?

When you're born I highly doubt you're developed enough to understand the complexity of any religion,

When you're born you can't understand anything complexed, therefore they whole "Babies don"t believe in God, hence they are atheist" does not count.

Comrade Tool

and if you're a child that can't believe in God because you're not developed enough then what are you? An atheist, that's what

Wait, wait. So, you have to understand God in order to believe in it, but you don't have to understand Atheism in order to be an atheist ? Sounds illogical to identify yourself as anything you don't understand, period.
One can argue no one understands "God" that's why they call it "faith". Another thing one could argue is that just because one doesn't believe in theism does not mean they're atheist as "atheist" is just a word identify a take on theism.

Comrade Tool

Here's basically how I see it: You're not born knowing there's a God, knowing any religion, you are gradually taught that there is, or converted by others.

The argument "We're all born atheists because babies don't know theism" is a cheap shot because we don't know anything when we're infants and you're just deciding on the behalf of the infant when stating such things.

[KotariZythynn]

If anything, babies are closer to god than anyone. If you do in fact believe in God, this is the stage where he is "creating" you, true?

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Comrade Tool

I don't see how it's illogical. You either believe or you don't,

The reality from what we know at least is that babies don't even understand themselves, there is no "you" in regards to them.

Comrade Tool

if you don't believe because you can't comprehend much, then you still don't believe do you.

Again, you understand s**t all when you're an infant. This claim is desperate. I can understand if you're actually referring to me, some one some what close to the same development as you, but even then if you're not aware of it, you, personally can't decide on it because it's not within your mind.

Comrade Tool

The proof for god depends on you, not me, because there is no proof that god does exist.

There's no prove "God" doesn't exist, there's no proof that a three d**k dragon doesn't exist, either, but babies don't even understand that concept or connection. I'm just saying it's unfair to say babies are atheists, or babies are this because they have not consented to it for themselves, you're just deciding for them in all reality.

Comrade Tool

I disagree with you saying atheism is subjective instead of objective or at least irreligious atheists.

Which is fine, I won't get into that unless you want to change the subject.

Comrade Tool

When we say when you die you rot in the ground(If you're buried), that is a objective truth.

Atheism is quite different because it's the belief of disbelief. Kind of like the phrase "Let's agree to disagree" and that's why it's subjective. Secondly, remember the bold "A" objective truth, not the only truth.

Comrade Tool

Seeing as there is no empirical data to be viewed concerning God, the fact that there is no material object we can study to confirm God's existence except for his "word", the only position you can objectively take is that God does not exist.

Just because it's logical doesn't make it true. All you did there was give a sound reasoning of why the belief in "God" is unnecessary, you did not prove that God does not exist.

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KotariZythynn

If anything, babies are closer to god than anyone. If you do in fact believe in God, this is the stage where he is "creating" you, true?

Well, I can see why you would say that or anyone else would, In fact babies do depend on a higher power, the parent.
This is why theism is so subjective and thus really it just being lame to say that babies are either theists or atheists.

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