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Ling child of Earth
It's not! It doesn't even make sense why she wants HIM. Oh, there's also the fact that she didn't know for most of the manga that they were siblings. >.<

From what little I saw, it seemed like her "love" stems from how gosh darn uber hawt he was and a false image of him as the perfect hero arising from his act of saving her from becoming another vampire's lunch when she was a child. The reason I don't like him isn't so much because of the incest but from the way he talks down to her and how controlling he is. I also don't like the idea that they were betrothed since birth to each other in order to keep the bloodline pure. I don't like things that are arranged like that not to mention it is childhood love which I have come to despise since Maiko ruined it for me. I've developed this sense that childhood love really isn't love because it happens before the character had a chance to be mature and see other options.
 
     
 
Katara daughter of Water
Ling child of Earth
It's not! It doesn't even make sense why she wants HIM. Oh, there's also the fact that she didn't know for most of the manga that they were siblings. >.<

From what little I saw, it seemed like her "love" stems from how gosh darn uber hawt he was and a false image of him as the perfect hero arising from his act of saving her from becoming another vampire's lunch when she was a child. The reason I don't like him isn't so much because of the incest but from the way he talks down to her and how controlling he is. I also don't like the idea that they were betrothed since birth to each other in order to keep the bloodline pure. I don't like things that are arranged like that not to mention it is childhood love which I have come to despise since Maiko ruined it for me. I've developed this sense that childhood love really isn't love because it happens before the character had a chance to be mature and see other options.


I have no particular feeling towards childhood love, but I can really identify with the whole idea of bloodline purity. If only there wasn't the whole 'inbred' issue... *sigh* But yes. I'm in love with the idea of blood status, purity, and the strength of bloodlines. Also, all the warpedness and genuine love that can arise in blood family relations even when raised apart. I like the idea of 'clan' and 'honour' and loyalty to blood. Probably how I can understand the whole 'glory to the Fire Nation' and 'divine right to rule by birth' shtick. Even my Pride Cats are sort of a reflection of that. I could probably have made things easier on myself by just making 'em all adopted with maybe only Miraven as the true daughter by birth, but I just couldn't give up the idea of the siblings being bound not only by upbringing, but by blood. And the fact that no matter how much they might hate or despise it, their blood confers upon them both status and power as well. Status of being a powerful Ruler's children and power of inheriting that Ruler's blood. *sighs happily* I really love how racial characteristics, magical strength and sheer talent can be passed down that way. Bloodline purity is a wonderful thing for me... So long as there's some way of making sure it doesn't result in inbred deformities.
     
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Ling child of Earth
It's not! It doesn't even make sense why she wants HIM. Oh, there's also the fact that she didn't know for most of the manga that they were siblings. >.<

From what little I saw, it seemed like her "love" stems from how gosh darn uber hawt he was and a false image of him as the perfect hero arising from his act of saving her from becoming another vampire's lunch when she was a child. The reason I don't like him isn't so much because of the incest but from the way he talks down to her and how controlling he is. I also don't like the idea that they were betrothed since birth to each other in order to keep the bloodline pure. I don't like things that are arranged like that not to mention it is childhood love which I have come to despise since Maiko ruined it for me. I've developed this sense that childhood love really isn't love because it happens before the character had a chance to be mature and see other options.


I have no particular feeling towards childhood love, but I can really identify with the whole idea of bloodline purity. If only there wasn't the whole 'inbred' issue... *sigh* But yes. I'm in love with the idea of blood status, purity, and the strength of bloodlines. Also, all the warpedness and genuine love that can arise in blood family relations even when raised apart. I like the idea of 'clan' and 'honour' and loyalty to blood. Probably how I can understand the whole 'glory to the Fire Nation' and 'divine right to rule by birth' shtick. Even my Pride Cats are sort of a reflection of that. I could probably have made things easier on myself by just making 'em all adopted with maybe only Miraven as the true daughter by birth, but I just couldn't give up the idea of the siblings being bound not only by upbringing, but by blood. And the fact that no matter how much they might hate or despise it, their blood confers upon them both status and power as well. Status of being a powerful Ruler's children and power of inheriting that Ruler's blood. *sighs happily* I really love how racial characteristics, magical strength and sheer talent can be passed down that way. Bloodline purity is a wonderful thing for me... So long as there's some way of making sure it doesn't result in inbred deformities.

When it comes to bloodlines I prefer alliances rather than keeping it all in the family. One can forge bonds between nations and have children even more powerful when you ally two great families or powerful beings together. It's especially appealing if the children come from families that are feuding. I love Romeo and Juliet/forbidden love pairings. I also demand that the two parties be equal in strength. I don't like it when you got one that always has to protect the other. I like my couples to be badass battle couples that fight side by side.
 
     
 
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Ling child of Earth
It's not! It doesn't even make sense why she wants HIM. Oh, there's also the fact that she didn't know for most of the manga that they were siblings. >.<

From what little I saw, it seemed like her "love" stems from how gosh darn uber hawt he was and a false image of him as the perfect hero arising from his act of saving her from becoming another vampire's lunch when she was a child. The reason I don't like him isn't so much because of the incest but from the way he talks down to her and how controlling he is. I also don't like the idea that they were betrothed since birth to each other in order to keep the bloodline pure. I don't like things that are arranged like that not to mention it is childhood love which I have come to despise since Maiko ruined it for me. I've developed this sense that childhood love really isn't love because it happens before the character had a chance to be mature and see other options.


I have no particular feeling towards childhood love, but I can really identify with the whole idea of bloodline purity. If only there wasn't the whole 'inbred' issue... *sigh* But yes. I'm in love with the idea of blood status, purity, and the strength of bloodlines. Also, all the warpedness and genuine love that can arise in blood family relations even when raised apart. I like the idea of 'clan' and 'honour' and loyalty to blood. Probably how I can understand the whole 'glory to the Fire Nation' and 'divine right to rule by birth' shtick. Even my Pride Cats are sort of a reflection of that. I could probably have made things easier on myself by just making 'em all adopted with maybe only Miraven as the true daughter by birth, but I just couldn't give up the idea of the siblings being bound not only by upbringing, but by blood. And the fact that no matter how much they might hate or despise it, their blood confers upon them both status and power as well. Status of being a powerful Ruler's children and power of inheriting that Ruler's blood. *sighs happily* I really love how racial characteristics, magical strength and sheer talent can be passed down that way. Bloodline purity is a wonderful thing for me... So long as there's some way of making sure it doesn't result in inbred deformities.

When it comes to bloodlines I prefer alliances rather than keeping it all in the family. One can forge bonds between nations and have children even more powerful when you ally two great families or powerful beings together. It's especially appealing if the children come from families that are feuding. I love Romeo and Juliet/forbidden love pairings. I also demand that the two parties be equal in strength. I don't like it when you got one that always has to protect the other. I like my couples to be badass battle couples that fight side by side.


I don't often make my characters into couples honestly. But if I did... Yes. Mutual a**-kickery would be a wonderful thing. Or... wait a sec, I just realised I usually have mutual a**-kickery just for sibling battles. For couples... hmm... thinking thinking thinking... Ok, one time I hooked two characters together, but one was the former teacher of the other like years and years ago, so the younger character tended to listen to her advice when she had any to give. They really had more of a big-sister-little-sister relationship for the longest time until the student went evil and kinda sorta played a part in breaking the mind of the former teacher. At that point, when the teacher became evil as well, then they started getting together and the student took the lead for most things but had to reign in her former teacher in others.

It was kinda like having this large, insanely powerful and fairly independent rabid hound that generally did its own thing but would listen to you and only you most of the time because it happened to really, really like you. And some of the time when you took it out on walks, it would drag you flying into some interesting thing or other. But that was ok because Raven (the former student) would participate quite happily with the turned-evil Tanyeera (I took her name, she didn't take mine) once Tanyeera showed her how. Ditto for Tanyeera when Raven wanted to show her something. It was a perfectly lovely and idyll relationship that just happened to take place in Hell and involve a good deal of torture, slaughter, and mutilation of the souls therein. (All in good fun of course)

And... call me prejudiced, but somehow, the idea of a purebred appeals to me more than any kind of hybrid or cross-strained. No matter how interesting or powerful that cross-breeding might be. If there are feuding families... Sorry, but most of my characters hold to the creed of "blood is thicker than water". They might make friends with rival families, but when it comes down to the crunch... full out war of your family against mine... they'll try not to hurt their friend, or those close to their friend of course, but they feel compelled to follow their families. They'll reason, plead, and beg with their families, and they may even refuse to do the family's bidding, but they can't really turn their back on family. And forget about eloping.

Generally, first loyalty is to blood and kin, next is to house or clan, and only then is it to self.
     
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Ling child of Earth
It's not! It doesn't even make sense why she wants HIM. Oh, there's also the fact that she didn't know for most of the manga that they were siblings. >.<

From what little I saw, it seemed like her "love" stems from how gosh darn uber hawt he was and a false image of him as the perfect hero arising from his act of saving her from becoming another vampire's lunch when she was a child. The reason I don't like him isn't so much because of the incest but from the way he talks down to her and how controlling he is. I also don't like the idea that they were betrothed since birth to each other in order to keep the bloodline pure. I don't like things that are arranged like that not to mention it is childhood love which I have come to despise since Maiko ruined it for me. I've developed this sense that childhood love really isn't love because it happens before the character had a chance to be mature and see other options.


I have no particular feeling towards childhood love, but I can really identify with the whole idea of bloodline purity. If only there wasn't the whole 'inbred' issue... *sigh* But yes. I'm in love with the idea of blood status, purity, and the strength of bloodlines. Also, all the warpedness and genuine love that can arise in blood family relations even when raised apart. I like the idea of 'clan' and 'honour' and loyalty to blood. Probably how I can understand the whole 'glory to the Fire Nation' and 'divine right to rule by birth' shtick. Even my Pride Cats are sort of a reflection of that. I could probably have made things easier on myself by just making 'em all adopted with maybe only Miraven as the true daughter by birth, but I just couldn't give up the idea of the siblings being bound not only by upbringing, but by blood. And the fact that no matter how much they might hate or despise it, their blood confers upon them both status and power as well. Status of being a powerful Ruler's children and power of inheriting that Ruler's blood. *sighs happily* I really love how racial characteristics, magical strength and sheer talent can be passed down that way. Bloodline purity is a wonderful thing for me... So long as there's some way of making sure it doesn't result in inbred deformities.

When it comes to bloodlines I prefer alliances rather than keeping it all in the family. One can forge bonds between nations and have children even more powerful when you ally two great families or powerful beings together. It's especially appealing if the children come from families that are feuding. I love Romeo and Juliet/forbidden love pairings. I also demand that the two parties be equal in strength. I don't like it when you got one that always has to protect the other. I like my couples to be badass battle couples that fight side by side.


I don't often make my characters into couples honestly. But if I did... Yes. Mutual a**-kickery would be a wonderful thing. Or... wait a sec, I just realised I usually have mutual a**-kickery just for sibling battles. For couples... hmm... thinking thinking thinking... Ok, one time I hooked two characters together, but one was the former teacher of the other like years and years ago, so the younger character tended to listen to her advice when she had any to give. They really had more of a big-sister-little-sister relationship for the longest time until the student went evil and kinda sorta played a part in breaking the mind of the former teacher. At that point, when the teacher became evil as well, then they started getting together and the student took the lead for most things but had to reign in her former teacher in others.

It was kinda like having this large, insanely powerful and fairly independent rabid hound that generally did its own thing but would listen to you and only you most of the time because it happened to really, really like you. And some of the time when you took it out on walks, it would drag you flying into some interesting thing or other. But that was ok because Raven (the former student) would participate quite happily with the turned-evil Tanyeera (I took her name, she didn't take mine) once Tanyeera showed her how. Ditto for Tanyeera when Raven wanted to show her something. It was a perfectly lovely and idyll relationship that just happened to take place in Hell and involve a good deal of torture, slaughter, and mutilation of the souls therein. (All in good fun of course)

And... call me prejudiced, but somehow, the idea of a purebred appeals to me more than any kind of hybrid or cross-strained. No matter how interesting or powerful that cross-breeding might be. If there are feuding families... Sorry, but most of my characters hold to the creed of "blood is thicker than water". They might make friends with rival families, but when it comes down to the crunch... full out war of your family against mine... they'll try not to hurt their friend, or those close to their friend of course, but they feel compelled to follow their families. They'll reason, plead, and beg with their families, and they may even refuse to do the family's bidding, but they can't really turn their back on family. And forget about eloping.

Generally, first loyalty is to blood and kin, next is to house or clan, and only then is it to self.

I wonder if that is the result of the different cultures we were born into. I am an anomaly in my own culture because of how close I am to my parents but when it comes to conflicting desires what they want and myself it is a toss up. It depends on the situation and I have followed what they have said in the past only to find it to my disadvantage. When it comes to the family as a whole (the house/clan as you might call it) is kind of fractured. My grandma's brother and his family treat us well but my grandma and my mother's brother treat us like garbage alot of the time. My uncle was always the favorite and still is with her even though he still retains contact with my grandpa whom my grandma is divorced from and hates to the nth degree. My mom has nothing to do with her dad because of how he has treated her growing up and pretty much throughout her life. I really don't care what any of them say to me and have told my grandma quite a few times what I think of the way she acts.
 
     
 
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Ling child of Earth
It's not! It doesn't even make sense why she wants HIM. Oh, there's also the fact that she didn't know for most of the manga that they were siblings. >.<

From what little I saw, it seemed like her "love" stems from how gosh darn uber hawt he was and a false image of him as the perfect hero arising from his act of saving her from becoming another vampire's lunch when she was a child. The reason I don't like him isn't so much because of the incest but from the way he talks down to her and how controlling he is. I also don't like the idea that they were betrothed since birth to each other in order to keep the bloodline pure. I don't like things that are arranged like that not to mention it is childhood love which I have come to despise since Maiko ruined it for me. I've developed this sense that childhood love really isn't love because it happens before the character had a chance to be mature and see other options.


I have no particular feeling towards childhood love, but I can really identify with the whole idea of bloodline purity. If only there wasn't the whole 'inbred' issue... *sigh* But yes. I'm in love with the idea of blood status, purity, and the strength of bloodlines. Also, all the warpedness and genuine love that can arise in blood family relations even when raised apart. I like the idea of 'clan' and 'honour' and loyalty to blood. Probably how I can understand the whole 'glory to the Fire Nation' and 'divine right to rule by birth' shtick. Even my Pride Cats are sort of a reflection of that. I could probably have made things easier on myself by just making 'em all adopted with maybe only Miraven as the true daughter by birth, but I just couldn't give up the idea of the siblings being bound not only by upbringing, but by blood. And the fact that no matter how much they might hate or despise it, their blood confers upon them both status and power as well. Status of being a powerful Ruler's children and power of inheriting that Ruler's blood. *sighs happily* I really love how racial characteristics, magical strength and sheer talent can be passed down that way. Bloodline purity is a wonderful thing for me... So long as there's some way of making sure it doesn't result in inbred deformities.

When it comes to bloodlines I prefer alliances rather than keeping it all in the family. One can forge bonds between nations and have children even more powerful when you ally two great families or powerful beings together. It's especially appealing if the children come from families that are feuding. I love Romeo and Juliet/forbidden love pairings. I also demand that the two parties be equal in strength. I don't like it when you got one that always has to protect the other. I like my couples to be badass battle couples that fight side by side.


I don't often make my characters into couples honestly. But if I did... Yes. Mutual a**-kickery would be a wonderful thing. Or... wait a sec, I just realised I usually have mutual a**-kickery just for sibling battles. For couples... hmm... thinking thinking thinking... Ok, one time I hooked two characters together, but one was the former teacher of the other like years and years ago, so the younger character tended to listen to her advice when she had any to give. They really had more of a big-sister-little-sister relationship for the longest time until the student went evil and kinda sorta played a part in breaking the mind of the former teacher. At that point, when the teacher became evil as well, then they started getting together and the student took the lead for most things but had to reign in her former teacher in others.

It was kinda like having this large, insanely powerful and fairly independent rabid hound that generally did its own thing but would listen to you and only you most of the time because it happened to really, really like you. And some of the time when you took it out on walks, it would drag you flying into some interesting thing or other. But that was ok because Raven (the former student) would participate quite happily with the turned-evil Tanyeera (I took her name, she didn't take mine) once Tanyeera showed her how. Ditto for Tanyeera when Raven wanted to show her something. It was a perfectly lovely and idyll relationship that just happened to take place in Hell and involve a good deal of torture, slaughter, and mutilation of the souls therein. (All in good fun of course)

And... call me prejudiced, but somehow, the idea of a purebred appeals to me more than any kind of hybrid or cross-strained. No matter how interesting or powerful that cross-breeding might be. If there are feuding families... Sorry, but most of my characters hold to the creed of "blood is thicker than water". They might make friends with rival families, but when it comes down to the crunch... full out war of your family against mine... they'll try not to hurt their friend, or those close to their friend of course, but they feel compelled to follow their families. They'll reason, plead, and beg with their families, and they may even refuse to do the family's bidding, but they can't really turn their back on family. And forget about eloping.

Generally, first loyalty is to blood and kin, next is to house or clan, and only then is it to self.

I wonder if that is the result of the different cultures we were born into. I am an anomaly in my own culture because of how close I am to my parents but when it comes to conflicting desires what they want and myself it is a toss up. It depends on the situation and I have followed what they have said in the past only to find it to my disadvantage. When it comes to the family as a whole (the house/clan as you might call it) is kind of fractured. My grandma's brother and his family treat us well but my grandma and my mother's brother treat us like garbage alot of the time. My uncle was always the favorite and still is with her even though he still retains contact with my grandpa whom my grandma is divorced from and hates to the nth degree. My mom has nothing to do with her dad because of how he has treated her growing up and pretty much throughout her life. I really don't care what any of them say to me and have told my grandma quite a few times what I think of the way she acts.


For me... alright, I'm unusually obedient and respectful compared to my peers, but for most of us, it would be... considered in extremely bad taste to be talking back to your grandparents. Especially your grandparents whom you do not see too often or know very well. And anyway, most of the time, no matter what kind of trouble your grandparents might have with your parents, it tends not to really transfer to the kid because kids, especially sons, carry on the family name. Basics of getting liked and pampered by your grandparents is to just be polite and do very well in your studies. That's it. At that point, they tend to love you.

Criticism comes mostly in the form of 'why aren't you doing better at school' and sometimes 'why aren't you more ladylike'. But overall, they tend to love you no matter what kind of bad feeling might be had with your parents because even if you're your parent's kid, you're also their grandkid. Being the eldest... or at least second eldest, of your cousins also helps. I'm not sure why it does, but it does. If you're eldest among the cousins, you tend to get extra liking. Also, if you're the only grandkid, you also get special favour. I enjoyed that status for quite a while until my baby boy cousin was born. And even then, because I have such a headstart on my cousin, my grandma's attention might be a bit more divided now, but she's still very concerned over me and everything. And... I see my dad's side of the family at least once every year during Chinese New Year and Reunion Dinner, and my mom's side of the family for that grandma's birthday, and occasionally some other events. Generally, its just hard to remain separated from family.

But back to the point, scolding your elders, be they your parents, your grandparents, your aunts, uncles, or teachers, is considered very rude. Very very rude. No matter the provocation. If you're heavily provoked, its ok for you to protest and disagree with the person, but very very bad taste to scold the person him/herself. Also... what exactly do you mean by conflicting desires? In general, I guess that where interests collide, parents tend to have the final say here. I could have a show I'd really like to watch at a certain time on tv, but if my dad has some other show he wants to watch, and is unwilling to forgo it, right of the television belongs to him.
     
Hey Katara, which do you prefer, Chocolate Fondue, or Peanut Brittle? -Random question yay.-
 
     
You leave your twisted obsessions out of this sir. D;
 
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera


I have no particular feeling towards childhood love, but I can really identify with the whole idea of bloodline purity. If only there wasn't the whole 'inbred' issue... *sigh* But yes. I'm in love with the idea of blood status, purity, and the strength of bloodlines. Also, all the warpedness and genuine love that can arise in blood family relations even when raised apart. I like the idea of 'clan' and 'honour' and loyalty to blood. Probably how I can understand the whole 'glory to the Fire Nation' and 'divine right to rule by birth' shtick. Even my Pride Cats are sort of a reflection of that. I could probably have made things easier on myself by just making 'em all adopted with maybe only Miraven as the true daughter by birth, but I just couldn't give up the idea of the siblings being bound not only by upbringing, but by blood. And the fact that no matter how much they might hate or despise it, their blood confers upon them both status and power as well. Status of being a powerful Ruler's children and power of inheriting that Ruler's blood. *sighs happily* I really love how racial characteristics, magical strength and sheer talent can be passed down that way. Bloodline purity is a wonderful thing for me... So long as there's some way of making sure it doesn't result in inbred deformities.

When it comes to bloodlines I prefer alliances rather than keeping it all in the family. One can forge bonds between nations and have children even more powerful when you ally two great families or powerful beings together. It's especially appealing if the children come from families that are feuding. I love Romeo and Juliet/forbidden love pairings. I also demand that the two parties be equal in strength. I don't like it when you got one that always has to protect the other. I like my couples to be badass battle couples that fight side by side.


I don't often make my characters into couples honestly. But if I did... Yes. Mutual a**-kickery would be a wonderful thing. Or... wait a sec, I just realised I usually have mutual a**-kickery just for sibling battles. For couples... hmm... thinking thinking thinking... Ok, one time I hooked two characters together, but one was the former teacher of the other like years and years ago, so the younger character tended to listen to her advice when she had any to give. They really had more of a big-sister-little-sister relationship for the longest time until the student went evil and kinda sorta played a part in breaking the mind of the former teacher. At that point, when the teacher became evil as well, then they started getting together and the student took the lead for most things but had to reign in her former teacher in others.

It was kinda like having this large, insanely powerful and fairly independent rabid hound that generally did its own thing but would listen to you and only you most of the time because it happened to really, really like you. And some of the time when you took it out on walks, it would drag you flying into some interesting thing or other. But that was ok because Raven (the former student) would participate quite happily with the turned-evil Tanyeera (I took her name, she didn't take mine) once Tanyeera showed her how. Ditto for Tanyeera when Raven wanted to show her something. It was a perfectly lovely and idyll relationship that just happened to take place in Hell and involve a good deal of torture, slaughter, and mutilation of the souls therein. (All in good fun of course)

And... call me prejudiced, but somehow, the idea of a purebred appeals to me more than any kind of hybrid or cross-strained. No matter how interesting or powerful that cross-breeding might be. If there are feuding families... Sorry, but most of my characters hold to the creed of "blood is thicker than water". They might make friends with rival families, but when it comes down to the crunch... full out war of your family against mine... they'll try not to hurt their friend, or those close to their friend of course, but they feel compelled to follow their families. They'll reason, plead, and beg with their families, and they may even refuse to do the family's bidding, but they can't really turn their back on family. And forget about eloping.

Generally, first loyalty is to blood and kin, next is to house or clan, and only then is it to self.

I wonder if that is the result of the different cultures we were born into. I am an anomaly in my own culture because of how close I am to my parents but when it comes to conflicting desires what they want and myself it is a toss up. It depends on the situation and I have followed what they have said in the past only to find it to my disadvantage. When it comes to the family as a whole (the house/clan as you might call it) is kind of fractured. My grandma's brother and his family treat us well but my grandma and my mother's brother treat us like garbage alot of the time. My uncle was always the favorite and still is with her even though he still retains contact with my grandpa whom my grandma is divorced from and hates to the nth degree. My mom has nothing to do with her dad because of how he has treated her growing up and pretty much throughout her life. I really don't care what any of them say to me and have told my grandma quite a few times what I think of the way she acts.


For me... alright, I'm unusually obedient and respectful compared to my peers, but for most of us, it would be... considered in extremely bad taste to be talking back to your grandparents. Especially your grandparents whom you do not see too often or know very well. And anyway, most of the time, no matter what kind of trouble your grandparents might have with your parents, it tends not to really transfer to the kid because kids, especially sons, carry on the family name. Basics of getting liked and pampered by your grandparents is to just be polite and do very well in your studies. That's it. At that point, they tend to love you.

Criticism comes mostly in the form of 'why aren't you doing better at school' and sometimes 'why aren't you more ladylike'. But overall, they tend to love you no matter what kind of bad feeling might be had with your parents because even if you're your parent's kid, you're also their grandkid. Being the eldest... or at least second eldest, of your cousins also helps. I'm not sure why it does, but it does. If you're eldest among the cousins, you tend to get extra liking. Also, if you're the only grandkid, you also get special favour. I enjoyed that status for quite a while until my baby boy cousin was born. And even then, because I have such a headstart on my cousin, my grandma's attention might be a bit more divided now, but she's still very concerned over me and everything. And... I see my dad's side of the family at least once every year during Chinese New Year and Reunion Dinner, and my mom's side of the family for that grandma's birthday, and occasionally some other events. Generally, its just hard to remain separated from family.

But back to the point, scolding your elders, be they your parents, your grandparents, your aunts, uncles, or teachers, is considered very rude. Very very rude. No matter the provocation. If you're heavily provoked, its ok for you to protest and disagree with the person, but very very bad taste to scold the person him/herself. Also... what exactly do you mean by conflicting desires? In general, I guess that where interests collide, parents tend to have the final say here. I could have a show I'd really like to watch at a certain time on tv, but if my dad has some other show he wants to watch, and is unwilling to forgo it, right of the television belongs to him.

I wish my grandparents were like yours but they aren't. I also see my grandma *all* the time. If I am not seeing her physically she is calling here. She treats my mom like her personal servant and gets mad when my mom doesn't just drop everything to take her places and do stuff for her that she can very well do herself.
I am not saying that it is not considered rude to scold your elders here cause it is. I am saying though that it is not completely unheard of for Americans to just stop talking to certain family members or move away to not have to deal with relatives. Conflicts between family members do have a way of spreading. If your parents aren't getting along with their parents they ain't going to be having them over at the house. As for conflicting desires, I meant like doing what is good for the family verses what you personally want to do. It is a sad commentary on American youth that we do have a way of getting what we want when it comes to things like television rights because we know how to be obnoxious whiners.
     
Chibi Angel Imp
Hey Katara, which do you prefer, Chocolate Fondue, or Peanut Brittle? -Random question yay.-

Chocolate is always preferable.
 
     
 
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera


I have no particular feeling towards childhood love, but I can really identify with the whole idea of bloodline purity. If only there wasn't the whole 'inbred' issue... *sigh* But yes. I'm in love with the idea of blood status, purity, and the strength of bloodlines. Also, all the warpedness and genuine love that can arise in blood family relations even when raised apart. I like the idea of 'clan' and 'honour' and loyalty to blood. Probably how I can understand the whole 'glory to the Fire Nation' and 'divine right to rule by birth' shtick. Even my Pride Cats are sort of a reflection of that. I could probably have made things easier on myself by just making 'em all adopted with maybe only Miraven as the true daughter by birth, but I just couldn't give up the idea of the siblings being bound not only by upbringing, but by blood. And the fact that no matter how much they might hate or despise it, their blood confers upon them both status and power as well. Status of being a powerful Ruler's children and power of inheriting that Ruler's blood. *sighs happily* I really love how racial characteristics, magical strength and sheer talent can be passed down that way. Bloodline purity is a wonderful thing for me... So long as there's some way of making sure it doesn't result in inbred deformities.

When it comes to bloodlines I prefer alliances rather than keeping it all in the family. One can forge bonds between nations and have children even more powerful when you ally two great families or powerful beings together. It's especially appealing if the children come from families that are feuding. I love Romeo and Juliet/forbidden love pairings. I also demand that the two parties be equal in strength. I don't like it when you got one that always has to protect the other. I like my couples to be badass battle couples that fight side by side.


I don't often make my characters into couples honestly. But if I did... Yes. Mutual a**-kickery would be a wonderful thing. Or... wait a sec, I just realised I usually have mutual a**-kickery just for sibling battles. For couples... hmm... thinking thinking thinking... Ok, one time I hooked two characters together, but one was the former teacher of the other like years and years ago, so the younger character tended to listen to her advice when she had any to give. They really had more of a big-sister-little-sister relationship for the longest time until the student went evil and kinda sorta played a part in breaking the mind of the former teacher. At that point, when the teacher became evil as well, then they started getting together and the student took the lead for most things but had to reign in her former teacher in others.

It was kinda like having this large, insanely powerful and fairly independent rabid hound that generally did its own thing but would listen to you and only you most of the time because it happened to really, really like you. And some of the time when you took it out on walks, it would drag you flying into some interesting thing or other. But that was ok because Raven (the former student) would participate quite happily with the turned-evil Tanyeera (I took her name, she didn't take mine) once Tanyeera showed her how. Ditto for Tanyeera when Raven wanted to show her something. It was a perfectly lovely and idyll relationship that just happened to take place in Hell and involve a good deal of torture, slaughter, and mutilation of the souls therein. (All in good fun of course)

And... call me prejudiced, but somehow, the idea of a purebred appeals to me more than any kind of hybrid or cross-strained. No matter how interesting or powerful that cross-breeding might be. If there are feuding families... Sorry, but most of my characters hold to the creed of "blood is thicker than water". They might make friends with rival families, but when it comes down to the crunch... full out war of your family against mine... they'll try not to hurt their friend, or those close to their friend of course, but they feel compelled to follow their families. They'll reason, plead, and beg with their families, and they may even refuse to do the family's bidding, but they can't really turn their back on family. And forget about eloping.

Generally, first loyalty is to blood and kin, next is to house or clan, and only then is it to self.

I wonder if that is the result of the different cultures we were born into. I am an anomaly in my own culture because of how close I am to my parents but when it comes to conflicting desires what they want and myself it is a toss up. It depends on the situation and I have followed what they have said in the past only to find it to my disadvantage. When it comes to the family as a whole (the house/clan as you might call it) is kind of fractured. My grandma's brother and his family treat us well but my grandma and my mother's brother treat us like garbage alot of the time. My uncle was always the favorite and still is with her even though he still retains contact with my grandpa whom my grandma is divorced from and hates to the nth degree. My mom has nothing to do with her dad because of how he has treated her growing up and pretty much throughout her life. I really don't care what any of them say to me and have told my grandma quite a few times what I think of the way she acts.


For me... alright, I'm unusually obedient and respectful compared to my peers, but for most of us, it would be... considered in extremely bad taste to be talking back to your grandparents. Especially your grandparents whom you do not see too often or know very well. And anyway, most of the time, no matter what kind of trouble your grandparents might have with your parents, it tends not to really transfer to the kid because kids, especially sons, carry on the family name. Basics of getting liked and pampered by your grandparents is to just be polite and do very well in your studies. That's it. At that point, they tend to love you.

Criticism comes mostly in the form of 'why aren't you doing better at school' and sometimes 'why aren't you more ladylike'. But overall, they tend to love you no matter what kind of bad feeling might be had with your parents because even if you're your parent's kid, you're also their grandkid. Being the eldest... or at least second eldest, of your cousins also helps. I'm not sure why it does, but it does. If you're eldest among the cousins, you tend to get extra liking. Also, if you're the only grandkid, you also get special favour. I enjoyed that status for quite a while until my baby boy cousin was born. And even then, because I have such a headstart on my cousin, my grandma's attention might be a bit more divided now, but she's still very concerned over me and everything. And... I see my dad's side of the family at least once every year during Chinese New Year and Reunion Dinner, and my mom's side of the family for that grandma's birthday, and occasionally some other events. Generally, its just hard to remain separated from family.

But back to the point, scolding your elders, be they your parents, your grandparents, your aunts, uncles, or teachers, is considered very rude. Very very rude. No matter the provocation. If you're heavily provoked, its ok for you to protest and disagree with the person, but very very bad taste to scold the person him/herself. Also... what exactly do you mean by conflicting desires? In general, I guess that where interests collide, parents tend to have the final say here. I could have a show I'd really like to watch at a certain time on tv, but if my dad has some other show he wants to watch, and is unwilling to forgo it, right of the television belongs to him.

I wish my grandparents were like yours but they aren't. I also see my grandma *all* the time. If I am not seeing her physically she is calling here. She treats my mom like her personal servant and gets mad when my mom doesn't just drop everything to take her places and do stuff for her that she can very well do herself.
I am not saying that it is not considered rude to scold your elders here cause it is. I am saying though that it is not completely unheard of for Americans to just stop talking to certain family members or move away to not have to deal with relatives. Conflicts between family members do have a way of spreading. If your parents aren't getting along with their parents they ain't going to be having them over at the house. As for conflicting desires, I meant like doing what is good for the family verses what you personally want to do. It is a sad commentary on American youth that we do have a way of getting what we want when it comes to things like television rights because we know how to be obnoxious whiners.


Complete family estrangement isn't entirely heard of here either. But... I think if I had a grandma like your grandma, I'd still unfortunately have to leave my folks to fight their own battles. I can sympathise with my parents and lend them a listening ear and such, but when the grandma is actually there, then I'd have to do what my grandma said unless my parents said otherwise. And then it would be an issue between my grandparents and my parents and I am decidedly unwelcome in that kind of a fight.

And, again what do you mean, 'good for the family'? Like if my folks got a new job somewhere else or something or decided we needed to move? Well... that's pretty much their decision. If they ask for my input, I can give it, or if I feel strongly enough about it, I can contribute input without being asked, but ultimately, its their decision. It's their house after all. I think some of my friends can get away with obnoxious whining as well, but I know that if I tried it, I'd just get scolded and yelled at. I can plead that this is a really, really cool show and I'd *really* like to watch it, but that's about all. If I started making a nuisance of myself after that, I'd just get yelled at. Not to mention the fact that I'd feel like a prime silly idiot making myself act like that much of a spoiled brat.
     
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera


I don't often make my characters into couples honestly. But if I did... Yes. Mutual a**-kickery would be a wonderful thing. Or... wait a sec, I just realised I usually have mutual a**-kickery just for sibling battles. For couples... hmm... thinking thinking thinking... Ok, one time I hooked two characters together, but one was the former teacher of the other like years and years ago, so the younger character tended to listen to her advice when she had any to give. They really had more of a big-sister-little-sister relationship for the longest time until the student went evil and kinda sorta played a part in breaking the mind of the former teacher. At that point, when the teacher became evil as well, then they started getting together and the student took the lead for most things but had to reign in her former teacher in others.

It was kinda like having this large, insanely powerful and fairly independent rabid hound that generally did its own thing but would listen to you and only you most of the time because it happened to really, really like you. And some of the time when you took it out on walks, it would drag you flying into some interesting thing or other. But that was ok because Raven (the former student) would participate quite happily with the turned-evil Tanyeera (I took her name, she didn't take mine) once Tanyeera showed her how. Ditto for Tanyeera when Raven wanted to show her something. It was a perfectly lovely and idyll relationship that just happened to take place in Hell and involve a good deal of torture, slaughter, and mutilation of the souls therein. (All in good fun of course)

And... call me prejudiced, but somehow, the idea of a purebred appeals to me more than any kind of hybrid or cross-strained. No matter how interesting or powerful that cross-breeding might be. If there are feuding families... Sorry, but most of my characters hold to the creed of "blood is thicker than water". They might make friends with rival families, but when it comes down to the crunch... full out war of your family against mine... they'll try not to hurt their friend, or those close to their friend of course, but they feel compelled to follow their families. They'll reason, plead, and beg with their families, and they may even refuse to do the family's bidding, but they can't really turn their back on family. And forget about eloping.

Generally, first loyalty is to blood and kin, next is to house or clan, and only then is it to self.

I wonder if that is the result of the different cultures we were born into. I am an anomaly in my own culture because of how close I am to my parents but when it comes to conflicting desires what they want and myself it is a toss up. It depends on the situation and I have followed what they have said in the past only to find it to my disadvantage. When it comes to the family as a whole (the house/clan as you might call it) is kind of fractured. My grandma's brother and his family treat us well but my grandma and my mother's brother treat us like garbage alot of the time. My uncle was always the favorite and still is with her even though he still retains contact with my grandpa whom my grandma is divorced from and hates to the nth degree. My mom has nothing to do with her dad because of how he has treated her growing up and pretty much throughout her life. I really don't care what any of them say to me and have told my grandma quite a few times what I think of the way she acts.


For me... alright, I'm unusually obedient and respectful compared to my peers, but for most of us, it would be... considered in extremely bad taste to be talking back to your grandparents. Especially your grandparents whom you do not see too often or know very well. And anyway, most of the time, no matter what kind of trouble your grandparents might have with your parents, it tends not to really transfer to the kid because kids, especially sons, carry on the family name. Basics of getting liked and pampered by your grandparents is to just be polite and do very well in your studies. That's it. At that point, they tend to love you.

Criticism comes mostly in the form of 'why aren't you doing better at school' and sometimes 'why aren't you more ladylike'. But overall, they tend to love you no matter what kind of bad feeling might be had with your parents because even if you're your parent's kid, you're also their grandkid. Being the eldest... or at least second eldest, of your cousins also helps. I'm not sure why it does, but it does. If you're eldest among the cousins, you tend to get extra liking. Also, if you're the only grandkid, you also get special favour. I enjoyed that status for quite a while until my baby boy cousin was born. And even then, because I have such a headstart on my cousin, my grandma's attention might be a bit more divided now, but she's still very concerned over me and everything. And... I see my dad's side of the family at least once every year during Chinese New Year and Reunion Dinner, and my mom's side of the family for that grandma's birthday, and occasionally some other events. Generally, its just hard to remain separated from family.

But back to the point, scolding your elders, be they your parents, your grandparents, your aunts, uncles, or teachers, is considered very rude. Very very rude. No matter the provocation. If you're heavily provoked, its ok for you to protest and disagree with the person, but very very bad taste to scold the person him/herself. Also... what exactly do you mean by conflicting desires? In general, I guess that where interests collide, parents tend to have the final say here. I could have a show I'd really like to watch at a certain time on tv, but if my dad has some other show he wants to watch, and is unwilling to forgo it, right of the television belongs to him.

I wish my grandparents were like yours but they aren't. I also see my grandma *all* the time. If I am not seeing her physically she is calling here. She treats my mom like her personal servant and gets mad when my mom doesn't just drop everything to take her places and do stuff for her that she can very well do herself.
I am not saying that it is not considered rude to scold your elders here cause it is. I am saying though that it is not completely unheard of for Americans to just stop talking to certain family members or move away to not have to deal with relatives. Conflicts between family members do have a way of spreading. If your parents aren't getting along with their parents they ain't going to be having them over at the house. As for conflicting desires, I meant like doing what is good for the family verses what you personally want to do. It is a sad commentary on American youth that we do have a way of getting what we want when it comes to things like television rights because we know how to be obnoxious whiners.


Complete family estrangement isn't entirely heard of here either. But... I think if I had a grandma like your grandma, I'd still unfortunately have to leave my folks to fight their own battles. I can sympathise with my parents and lend them a listening ear and such, but when the grandma is actually there, then I'd have to do what my grandma said unless my parents said otherwise. And then it would be an issue between my grandparents and my parents and I am decidedly unwelcome in that kind of a fight.

And, again what do you mean, 'good for the family'? Like if my folks got a new job somewhere else or something or decided we needed to move? Well... that's pretty much their decision. If they ask for my input, I can give it, or if I feel strongly enough about it, I can contribute input without being asked, but ultimately, its their decision. It's their house after all. I think some of my friends can get away with obnoxious whining as well, but I know that if I tried it, I'd just get scolded and yelled at. I can plead that this is a really, really cool show and I'd *really* like to watch it, but that's about all. If I started making a nuisance of myself after that, I'd just get yelled at. Not to mention the fact that I'd feel like a prime silly idiot making myself act like that much of a spoiled brat.

Yeah, my relationship with my grandma is odd. I can't say as many people have the kind of relationship I have with her. As a child, I was supposed to listen to her but I often didn't and now that I am an adult the only thing that keeps me from telling her off in many cases is my mom and how it will affect her emotional health.
I guess I mean like if my mom needed money I would give it to her. I stopped talking to my father for the good of my relationship with my mom and my stepfather. I admit that I am spoiled in many ways and get away with a lot more than I should. I will argue with my parents and yes, yelling will ensue from both sides.
 
     
 
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera


I don't often make my characters into couples honestly. But if I did... Yes. Mutual a**-kickery would be a wonderful thing. Or... wait a sec, I just realised I usually have mutual a**-kickery just for sibling battles. For couples... hmm... thinking thinking thinking... Ok, one time I hooked two characters together, but one was the former teacher of the other like years and years ago, so the younger character tended to listen to her advice when she had any to give. They really had more of a big-sister-little-sister relationship for the longest time until the student went evil and kinda sorta played a part in breaking the mind of the former teacher. At that point, when the teacher became evil as well, then they started getting together and the student took the lead for most things but had to reign in her former teacher in others.

It was kinda like having this large, insanely powerful and fairly independent rabid hound that generally did its own thing but would listen to you and only you most of the time because it happened to really, really like you. And some of the time when you took it out on walks, it would drag you flying into some interesting thing or other. But that was ok because Raven (the former student) would participate quite happily with the turned-evil Tanyeera (I took her name, she didn't take mine) once Tanyeera showed her how. Ditto for Tanyeera when Raven wanted to show her something. It was a perfectly lovely and idyll relationship that just happened to take place in Hell and involve a good deal of torture, slaughter, and mutilation of the souls therein. (All in good fun of course)

And... call me prejudiced, but somehow, the idea of a purebred appeals to me more than any kind of hybrid or cross-strained. No matter how interesting or powerful that cross-breeding might be. If there are feuding families... Sorry, but most of my characters hold to the creed of "blood is thicker than water". They might make friends with rival families, but when it comes down to the crunch... full out war of your family against mine... they'll try not to hurt their friend, or those close to their friend of course, but they feel compelled to follow their families. They'll reason, plead, and beg with their families, and they may even refuse to do the family's bidding, but they can't really turn their back on family. And forget about eloping.

Generally, first loyalty is to blood and kin, next is to house or clan, and only then is it to self.

I wonder if that is the result of the different cultures we were born into. I am an anomaly in my own culture because of how close I am to my parents but when it comes to conflicting desires what they want and myself it is a toss up. It depends on the situation and I have followed what they have said in the past only to find it to my disadvantage. When it comes to the family as a whole (the house/clan as you might call it) is kind of fractured. My grandma's brother and his family treat us well but my grandma and my mother's brother treat us like garbage alot of the time. My uncle was always the favorite and still is with her even though he still retains contact with my grandpa whom my grandma is divorced from and hates to the nth degree. My mom has nothing to do with her dad because of how he has treated her growing up and pretty much throughout her life. I really don't care what any of them say to me and have told my grandma quite a few times what I think of the way she acts.


For me... alright, I'm unusually obedient and respectful compared to my peers, but for most of us, it would be... considered in extremely bad taste to be talking back to your grandparents. Especially your grandparents whom you do not see too often or know very well. And anyway, most of the time, no matter what kind of trouble your grandparents might have with your parents, it tends not to really transfer to the kid because kids, especially sons, carry on the family name. Basics of getting liked and pampered by your grandparents is to just be polite and do very well in your studies. That's it. At that point, they tend to love you.

Criticism comes mostly in the form of 'why aren't you doing better at school' and sometimes 'why aren't you more ladylike'. But overall, they tend to love you no matter what kind of bad feeling might be had with your parents because even if you're your parent's kid, you're also their grandkid. Being the eldest... or at least second eldest, of your cousins also helps. I'm not sure why it does, but it does. If you're eldest among the cousins, you tend to get extra liking. Also, if you're the only grandkid, you also get special favour. I enjoyed that status for quite a while until my baby boy cousin was born. And even then, because I have such a headstart on my cousin, my grandma's attention might be a bit more divided now, but she's still very concerned over me and everything. And... I see my dad's side of the family at least once every year during Chinese New Year and Reunion Dinner, and my mom's side of the family for that grandma's birthday, and occasionally some other events. Generally, its just hard to remain separated from family.

But back to the point, scolding your elders, be they your parents, your grandparents, your aunts, uncles, or teachers, is considered very rude. Very very rude. No matter the provocation. If you're heavily provoked, its ok for you to protest and disagree with the person, but very very bad taste to scold the person him/herself. Also... what exactly do you mean by conflicting desires? In general, I guess that where interests collide, parents tend to have the final say here. I could have a show I'd really like to watch at a certain time on tv, but if my dad has some other show he wants to watch, and is unwilling to forgo it, right of the television belongs to him.

I wish my grandparents were like yours but they aren't. I also see my grandma *all* the time. If I am not seeing her physically she is calling here. She treats my mom like her personal servant and gets mad when my mom doesn't just drop everything to take her places and do stuff for her that she can very well do herself.
I am not saying that it is not considered rude to scold your elders here cause it is. I am saying though that it is not completely unheard of for Americans to just stop talking to certain family members or move away to not have to deal with relatives. Conflicts between family members do have a way of spreading. If your parents aren't getting along with their parents they ain't going to be having them over at the house. As for conflicting desires, I meant like doing what is good for the family verses what you personally want to do. It is a sad commentary on American youth that we do have a way of getting what we want when it comes to things like television rights because we know how to be obnoxious whiners.


Complete family estrangement isn't entirely heard of here either. But... I think if I had a grandma like your grandma, I'd still unfortunately have to leave my folks to fight their own battles. I can sympathise with my parents and lend them a listening ear and such, but when the grandma is actually there, then I'd have to do what my grandma said unless my parents said otherwise. And then it would be an issue between my grandparents and my parents and I am decidedly unwelcome in that kind of a fight.

And, again what do you mean, 'good for the family'? Like if my folks got a new job somewhere else or something or decided we needed to move? Well... that's pretty much their decision. If they ask for my input, I can give it, or if I feel strongly enough about it, I can contribute input without being asked, but ultimately, its their decision. It's their house after all. I think some of my friends can get away with obnoxious whining as well, but I know that if I tried it, I'd just get scolded and yelled at. I can plead that this is a really, really cool show and I'd *really* like to watch it, but that's about all. If I started making a nuisance of myself after that, I'd just get yelled at. Not to mention the fact that I'd feel like a prime silly idiot making myself act like that much of a spoiled brat.

Yeah, my relationship with my grandma is odd. I can't say as many people have the kind of relationship I have with her. As a child, I was supposed to listen to her but I often didn't and now that I am an adult the only thing that keeps me from telling her off in many cases is my mom and how it will affect her emotional health.
I guess I mean like if my mom needed money I would give it to her. I stopped talking to my father for the good of my relationship with my mom and my stepfather. I admit that I am spoiled in many ways and get away with a lot more than I should. I will argue with my parents and yes, yelling will ensue from both sides.


I think I have been programmed to back down instantly when yelling begins. Particularly if the one yelling is someone in authority. But even with my friends, I tend to try and calm things down, even if it means adopting a more conciliatory tone, when people start yelling. Yelling is indicative someone feels strongly about something. Even if I feel as strongly against the subject as they do for, we're not going to get anywhere if even one of us isn't calm enough to discuss things rationally. Not to mention the fact that I hate people being that mad at me and if I was at all aggressive about the subject before, yelling is almost certain to make me withdraw and turn into a rock instead. I won't give way on certain issues, but yelling is liable to make me reconsider my own tone and I'll reflexively start trying to seek out what we can agree on and admit to it so that the other person will feel like they're getting somewhere and calm down. And there will be no argument at all if the person I'm disagreeing with is my parent or teacher. If I feel its unfair, I may ask to talk to the person afterwards to try and explain my own point of view, but that's about it. I instinctively shy away from actively arguing with people in authority. That's not to say I obey them all the time... but when I do disobey, I do it covertly. I'm just really, really bad at outward defiance.
     
Yes, I'm with SIN. What tipped you off? The distinctive robes and medallion? My fiery red skin? Or maybe it was the swirling portal of death behind me, or the big, spiky mace I'm carrying...



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Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera
Katara daughter of Water
Tanyeera


For me... alright, I'm unusually obedient and respectful compared to my peers, but for most of us, it would be... considered in extremely bad taste to be talking back to your grandparents. Especially your grandparents whom you do not see too often or know very well. And anyway, most of the time, no matter what kind of trouble your grandparents might have with your parents, it tends not to really transfer to the kid because kids, especially sons, carry on the family name. Basics of getting liked and pampered by your grandparents is to just be polite and do very well in your studies. That's it. At that point, they tend to love you.

Criticism comes mostly in the form of 'why aren't you doing better at school' and sometimes 'why aren't you more ladylike'. But overall, they tend to love you no matter what kind of bad feeling might be had with your parents because even if you're your parent's kid, you're also their grandkid. Being the eldest... or at least second eldest, of your cousins also helps. I'm not sure why it does, but it does. If you're eldest among the cousins, you tend to get extra liking. Also, if you're the only grandkid, you also get special favour. I enjoyed that status for quite a while until my baby boy cousin was born. And even then, because I have such a headstart on my cousin, my grandma's attention might be a bit more divided now, but she's still very concerned over me and everything. And... I see my dad's side of the family at least once every year during Chinese New Year and Reunion Dinner, and my mom's side of the family for that grandma's birthday, and occasionally some other events. Generally, its just hard to remain separated from family.

But back to the point, scolding your elders, be they your parents, your grandparents, your aunts, uncles, or teachers, is considered very rude. Very very rude. No matter the provocation. If you're heavily provoked, its ok for you to protest and disagree with the person, but very very bad taste to scold the person him/herself. Also... what exactly do you mean by conflicting desires? In general, I guess that where interests collide, parents tend to have the final say here. I could have a show I'd really like to watch at a certain time on tv, but if my dad has some other show he wants to watch, and is unwilling to forgo it, right of the television belongs to him.

I wish my grandparents were like yours but they aren't. I also see my grandma *all* the time. If I am not seeing her physically she is calling here. She treats my mom like her personal servant and gets mad when my mom doesn't just drop everything to take her places and do stuff for her that she can very well do herself.
I am not saying that it is not considered rude to scold your elders here cause it is. I am saying though that it is not completely unheard of for Americans to just stop talking to certain family members or move away to not have to deal with relatives. Conflicts between family members do have a way of spreading. If your parents aren't getting along with their parents they ain't going to be having them over at the house. As for conflicting desires, I meant like doing what is good for the family verses what you personally want to do. It is a sad commentary on American youth that we do have a way of getting what we want when it comes to things like television rights because we know how to be obnoxious whiners.


Complete family estrangement isn't entirely heard of here either. But... I think if I had a grandma like your grandma, I'd still unfortunately have to leave my folks to fight their own battles. I can sympathise with my parents and lend them a listening ear and such, but when the grandma is actually there, then I'd have to do what my grandma said unless my parents said otherwise. And then it would be an issue between my grandparents and my parents and I am decidedly unwelcome in that kind of a fight.

And, again what do you mean, 'good for the family'? Like if my folks got a new job somewhere else or something or decided we needed to move? Well... that's pretty much their decision. If they ask for my input, I can give it, or if I feel strongly enough about it, I can contribute input without being asked, but ultimately, its their decision. It's their house after all. I think some of my friends can get away with obnoxious whining as well, but I know that if I tried it, I'd just get scolded and yelled at. I can plead that this is a really, really cool show and I'd *really* like to watch it, but that's about all. If I started making a nuisance of myself after that, I'd just get yelled at. Not to mention the fact that I'd feel like a prime silly idiot making myself act like that much of a spoiled brat.

Yeah, my relationship with my grandma is odd. I can't say as many people have the kind of relationship I have with her. As a child, I was supposed to listen to her but I often didn't and now that I am an adult the only thing that keeps me from telling her off in many cases is my mom and how it will affect her emotional health.
I guess I mean like if my mom needed money I would give it to her. I stopped talking to my father for the good of my relationship with my mom and my stepfather. I admit that I am spoiled in many ways and get away with a lot more than I should. I will argue with my parents and yes, yelling will ensue from both sides.


I think I have been programmed to back down instantly when yelling begins. Particularly if the one yelling is someone in authority. But even with my friends, I tend to try and calm things down, even if it means adopting a more conciliatory tone, when people start yelling. Yelling is indicative someone feels strongly about something. Even if I feel as strongly against the subject as they do for, we're not going to get anywhere if even one of us isn't calm enough to discuss things rationally. Not to mention the fact that I hate people being that mad at me and if I was at all aggressive about the subject before, yelling is almost certain to make me withdraw and turn into a rock instead. I won't give way on certain issues, but yelling is liable to make me reconsider my own tone and I'll reflexively start trying to seek out what we can agree on and admit to it so that the other person will feel like they're getting somewhere and calm down. And there will be no argument at all if the person I'm disagreeing with is my parent or teacher. If I feel its unfair, I may ask to talk to the person afterwards to try and explain my own point of view, but that's about it. I instinctively shy away from actively arguing with people in authority. That's not to say I obey them all the time... but when I do disobey, I do it covertly. I'm just really, really bad at outward defiance.

It really depends who I am dealing with when it comes to disobediance of authority. I am more inclined to put up with someone else's garbage than I am with my own family's. I do hold steadfast to my own beliefs that it is hard to shake me from them. That doesn't mean I can't see when I am wrong. When I am wrong I will apologize and if I care deeply about maintaining the relationship do everything I can to make it right. It is just certain people I really don't give a crap about. I mean don't get me wrong my grandma has her moments where she seems like she is a human being but most of the time, she really angers me with the way she treats us and my mother. Usually I prefer to do things covertly like you.
 
     
 
Tanyeera
Ling child of Earth
It's not! It doesn't even make sense why she wants HIM. Oh, there's also the fact that she didn't know for most of the manga that they were siblings. >.<


Yay fun-ness. That must have been... interesting. Are they actual blood siblings?


I'm still not too clear on that.

As for what you said Katara, I agree whole heartedly. I hate Kaname for how manipulative he is, he's such a p***k! >.<
     
"Are you Ok?" - Katara "Considering I feel like I just licked a komodo rhino's a**, I'm just dandy." - Zuko
Hey Katara, Old Gregg here.

Just wondering, when's the wedding between you and Ang going to take place?

Also, am I invited?

D8
 
     
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