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Introduction: I currently live in Henrico County of Virginia, USA. So far, my county is the only county (supposedly) in the entire country to provide its students with the ibook as an educational tool.

Most of the students use the same ibook throughout your years in the same school, and once you leave that school and move/transfer to another school, you will be issued another laptop to use. If you don't understand, I used the same ibook in 7th and 8th grade, but when I moved up to 9th grade, I was issued a different laptop to use, and the one I used in middle school is issued to a 6th grader of my middle school.

The ibook is your responsibility, meaning it's your job to bring it to school, take it home from school, bring it to school charged, try your best to not damage it, take it to the help desk, etc.

This program started four years ago during the 2001-2002 school year for high schoolers, and expanded to middle schoolers during the 2002-2003 school year.

When they say ibooks are meant as an educational tool, they mean it. There's no DVD drive, you can't burn CDs, you can't install programs, you can't have games, you can't have pornography (oh noes! eek ), you can't modify any of the settings placed on your computer, in fact, you can only do with what limited programs they give you. Of course, that's to be expected when you use anything that's not yours. When you're at home, those who connect with a cable modem are out of luck because you can't connect it to the ibook. It's either wireless or dialup (MSN or AOL). Our county uses the 8e6 internet filter, and it sucks. The filter recently changed to tell you if your internet privilages are suspended. Mine was suspended for ten minutes for looking up a diagram of a tongue...

Now the ibooks, speaking from my personal experiences. My ibook works great... when it works. So far, it has spend over half of the school year in the help desk because of backlight problems, reimaging (twice), latch problems, loose frame, keyboard, battery, and a few others I can't think of at the moment. It also works great when it doesn't spend over ten minutes trying to open up a program, only unsuccessfully. In other words, I hate the ibook. I only got it because I thought my teachers might actually use it, unlike the last two years when only two or three teachers use it frequently. If these three years are an indication of anything, then I'm opting to not get one next year.

Here's a recent news article concerning our internet filter:


Richmond Times Dispatch
Laptop filtering concerns raised
Education officials in Henrico seeking bids to enhance protection

BY OLYMPIA MEOLA
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER Apr 2, 2005


Steven Bass' son will soon enter a Henrico County middle school and receive a county-issued laptop.


Bass trusts his son to view it as an educational tool and surf the Internet for class work only. And when the boy gets home, Bass knows the firewall he carefully designed will block unsavory sites.

Bass is tech-savvy. He worries about the parents who aren't.

Internet filters may be sufficient in school, but once students leave the school grounds they no longer have the same protection of the school's firewall.

"When you hand this loaded gun to a kid and the parent is either not involved or able to be involved, you're just asking for trouble," Bass said.

It's one of many issues Bass feels is not adequately covered in a request for proposals to extend a program that gives every county middle and high school student a laptop.

But school officials say they are trying to address that problem by asking bidding companies to suggest other filtering solutions. The officials are also seeking ways to gauge the program's impact on student learning.

The degree that the iBooks have positively affected student education has yet to be determined. About $27.9 million has been spent on the laptops in the past four years.

Internet filtering became a controversial element of the program several years ago when students were caught downloading pornography at school.

"We've been using the best piece of software we can find," said Dave Myers, the county's assistant superintendent for finance.

Bidders are being asked to supply larger bandwidth to the laptops' wireless card so the county could grant teachers the option to view all students' computer screens electronically. School officials are also considering a filter system that works when students leave school, said Lloyd Brown, Henrico's assistant director of technology and information services.

Bass and other parents see the omission of specific filtering requirements as a sign that school officials are trying to steer the contract to Apple, the current provider. Bass suggests that the request should be retracted and redesigned to seem less Apple-specific.

"It's a very slanted proposal," Bass said. If school officials would like to go with Apple again, Bass thinks they should demand that Apple come up with the solutions.

That's not the case, county officials maintain. Brown denied any attempt to again sole-source the contract to Apple. Superintendent Fred Morton IV has repeatedly said the same.

In fact, the county recently tweaked a hardware requirement in their request that made it easier for more laptop manufacturers to bid.

"Whoever comes out with the best response will win the [contract]," Brown said.


As you can see, they're (Henrico County) is trying to make the internet filter stronger than it already is! I oppose that idea because I feel that as long as we're not in school, we should be able to use the internet on our ibooks almost any way we wish without the interference of a force beyond our homes. Of course, it wouldn't matter to me personally because the ibook won't even connect to my modem.

Discuss: Does your county offer a similar program?
Would you get an ibook?
What do you think about the internet filter?
Are you willing to use the ibook at home with the activation of a school block?

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It's an intresting idea and it's great for people who can't afford their own computer. At least having some limited use with a computer daily will make someone more comfortable with them.

The stronger fillters thing to mean seems like some parents are just to paranoid. If you are worrying if you children are looking at porn on the computer then watch them when they use it or take it away from them when you are not a round. Something like that is not apple/school's jobs it's a parents job.
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It's an intresting idea and it's great for people who can't afford their own computer. At least having some limited use with a computer daily will make someone more comfortable with them.
Of course I will have to agree with that. It's a benefit for those who are not already familiar with computers.

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The stronger fillters thing to mean seems like some parents are just to paranoid. If you are worrying if you children are looking at porn on the computer then watch them when they use it or take it away from them when you are not a round. Something like that is not apple/school's jobs it's a parents job.
I think so too. When you're at home, the rules are different. When you're at home, you are no longer (hopefully) in the boundaries of your school building, therefore the school should not be able to still restrict your access at home. Rules are different, and parents tends to be more lenient.
So what happens if you get a hold of the Mac install disks, erase the hard drive, and turn it back in without all of their settings. That is what I would do, "Oops, it just erased itself."
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So what happens if you get a hold of the Mac install disks, erase the hard drive, and turn it back in without all of their settings. That is what I would do, "Oops, it just erased itself."

If you did that, the county would charge you for vandalism of county property. 3nodding
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Princess^Kayla
So what happens if you get a hold of the Mac install disks, erase the hard drive, and turn it back in without all of their settings. That is what I would do, "Oops, it just erased itself."

If you did that, the county would charge you for vandalism of county property. 3nodding

actually thats not vandalism
vandalism involves physical destruction or defacement, this is neither.

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Since I own an iBook G3, I'd say the real problem with the Henrico County program is the limitations placed on the internet conectivity of the laptops, as well as the software bundle the district obtained in the deal.

Yours is not the only large system that has iBooks for students, but it was one of the first programs that got press coverage. I seem to recall that the state of Maine had approved a similar school program for their entire state shortly after the Henrico County deal was approved.

This issue will require a lot of politically savvy parents and teachers willing to organize and press for changes in the district's policy. Otherwise nothing will happen.
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So what happens if you get a hold of the Mac install disks, erase the hard drive, and turn it back in without all of their settings. That is what I would do, "Oops, it just erased itself."

If you did that, the county would charge you for vandalism of county property. 3nodding


This is exactly the same reason why the filter is so strong. You did not buy the iBook, right? Its issued to you by the school. If you damage/destroy your regualr school text books they give to you to use, you have to pay for them, right? I know at my school we did. Even writting in them was a no-no.

It is not your property. It is the states. Being so, they can tell you what and what not to do with it. Dont like it, buy your own. Its simple.

As for the lagginess and such, it sounds like they have chopped them to hell and back so much somehow that it is interfering with the normal operation of the computer. Plus, iBooks are fairly rugged, but if you give anything to a kid to use, to tote around and use at school, its gonna get dammaged. I bet most of the kids treat it like a history book, giving it about the same care and respect. With that much use on a single unit, no wonder you are having issues.
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So what happens if you get a hold of the Mac install disks, erase the hard drive, and turn it back in without all of their settings. That is what I would do, "Oops, it just erased itself."

If you did that, the county would charge you for vandalism of county property. 3nodding

actually thats not vandalism
vandalism involves physical destruction or defacement, this is neither.

It's what most of my teachers, administrators, helpdesk, librarians told me.

Floyd
Since I own an iBook G3, I'd say the real problem with the Henrico County program is the limitations placed on the internet conectivity of the laptops, as well as the software bundle the district obtained in the deal.

Yours is not the only large system that has iBooks for students, but it was one of the first programs that got press coverage. I seem to recall that the state of Maine had approved a similar school program for their entire state shortly after the Henrico County deal was approved.

This issue will require a lot of politically savvy parents and teachers willing to organize and press for changes in the district's policy. Otherwise nothing will happen.


Software bundle limitations... Hm... Like how it doesn't have any decent image editor programs besides the one in Appleworks?

I guess press coverage around our area and isn't as reliable as I thought, because people still think we're the only county with ibooks.

They're willing to put the concern in a newspaper, guess that's a start.


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This is exactly the same reason why the filter is so strong. You did not buy the iBook, right? Its issued to you by the school. If you damage/destroy your regualr school text books they give to you to use, you have to pay for them, right? I know at my school we did. Even writting in them was a no-no.

It is not your property. It is the states. Being so, they can tell you what and what not to do with it. Dont like it, buy your own. Its simple.

As for the lagginess and such, it sounds like they have chopped them to hell and back so much somehow that it is interfering with the normal operation of the computer. Plus, iBooks are fairly rugged, but if you give anything to a kid to use, to tote around and use at school, its gonna get dammaged. I bet most of the kids treat it like a history book, giving it about the same care and respect. With that much use on a single unit, no wonder you are having issues.


I'm alright with the limitations placed on my ibook, since I know it's county property. It's to be expected if you're using anything you don't have full rights to. I'm just concerned that parents are willing to let a school filter be activated in their homes, when it should be the job of a parent or guardian to decide which sites are appropriate to use. If you're doing homework on your ibook, and the filter is on, you're not going to be able to do much, since it suspends your internet activity for looking up a diagram of a tongue. rolleyes

Yeah, I guess most of our problems can be blamed on our treatment, but if you just place it in your table next to the bed for an entire weekend, and try to start it up on Monday, and it won't work... It's just our county is too cheap to give G4's to any student with a last name beginning with A-Q.
Wow... first of all, as someone who works for County government, I'd just like to applaud the people in your county for being ambitious enough to get something like this started.

But even if it does have it's rocky points, I think a project like this is a step in the right directon. Putting schools in a position to familiarize their students with computers will give them a HUGE advantage in the world of business. Their heart is in the right place, even if their hardware could use some upgrades. smile
Your frickin school district gives you a laptop? Seems cool...but what's the point, considering one could just stay in the computer labs for a while...I mean, if I were to have a laptop or notebook, I'd want it to be a bit more personalized. Then again, I'd get a bit nervous about bringing a laptop to my high school for the fact that many teachers would probably confiscate it, being overzealous on the electronics rule.

I mean, even some of my college instructors are a bit pernickity when it comes to that.

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I'm assuming it has USB ports. If so, you can still hook up an external DVD drive or CD burner to it and get around that restriction.

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I'm betting they're firmware locked so they can't boot off liveCDs/other drives..

I recall seeing a screenshot off one of these ages ago.. are they STILL using OS 9 on the ibooks? That'd SUCK!
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Princess^Kayla
So what happens if you get a hold of the Mac install disks, erase the hard drive, and turn it back in without all of their settings. That is what I would do, "Oops, it just erased itself."

If you did that, the county would charge you for vandalism of county property. 3nodding

actually thats not vandalism
vandalism involves physical destruction or defacement, this is neither.
Actually, and I apologize if this has already been addressed, there is such thing as digital/cyber vandalism. I could be mistaken
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I recall seeing a screenshot off one of these ages ago.. are they STILL using OS 9 on the ibooks? That'd SUCK!


You know, I never considered that, and that may be a huge part of the software issues.

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