Unleashed - Werewolves!!!

[Nanaran]

Fairies>Werewolves and Vampires. When the bonk did these two Juggernauts even become rivals?

Never mind, I found out. Apparently,how these two rivalries began is tale as old as...1948. dramallama

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[Steel Sterling]

Nanaran

Fairies>Werewolves and Vampires. When the bonk did these two Juggernauts even become rivals?

Never mind, I found out. Apparently,how these two rivalries began is tale as old as...1948. dramallama

It's a LOT younger than that.
Actual references to rivalry began in the 1980s when White Wolf Publications released the first edition of "Vampire:the Masquerade". In it, one of the threats to vampire characters (it was the first game designed for campaigns of players running vampire characters) was the "lupines" who live in the wilderness- obviously werewolves, and more obvious in their references in the sourcebook "the Hunters Hunted." Every reference to rivalry since then has either been drawn directly from that, or from fan fiction drawn from that, or fan fiction based on fan fiction drawn from that. That's why the makers of the movie "Underworld" had to pay money to White Wolf- their story drew too SPECIFICALLY on their material. When I was in the movie theater watching the first movie, I winced when the word "ABOMINATION" was specifically used to refer to a werewolf/vampire hybrid, since I knew that meant they'd have to pay money. That SPECIFICALLY goes back to the combined sourcebook of the War for Chicago, "Under a Blood-Red Moon".

I don't think they INTENDED to rip off White Wolf. I think they went online and all the information they found plagiarized it and the movie-makers got lazy.

[Nanaran]

Steel Sterling

Nanaran

Fairies>Werewolves and Vampires. When the bonk did these two Juggernauts even become rivals?

Never mind, I found out. Apparently,how these two rivalries began is tale as old as...1948. dramallama

It's a LOT younger than that.
Actual references to rivalry began in the 1980s when White Wolf Publications released the first edition of "Vampire:the Masquerade". In it, one of the threats to vampire characters (it was the first game designed for campaigns of players running vampire characters) was the "lupines" who live in the wilderness- obviously werewolves, and more obvious in their references in the sourcebook "the Hunters Hunted." Every reference to rivalry since then has either been drawn directly from that, or from fan fiction drawn from that, or fan fiction based on fan fiction drawn from that. That's why the makers of the movie "Underworld" had to pay money to White Wolf- their story drew too SPECIFICALLY on their material. When I was in the movie theater watching the first movie, I winced when the word "ABOMINATION" was specifically used to refer to a werewolf/vampire hybrid, since I knew that meant they'd have to pay money. That SPECIFICALLY goes back to the combined sourcebook of the War for Chicago, "Under a Blood-Red Moon".

I don't think they INTENDED to rip off White Wolf. I think they went online and all the information they found plagiarized it and the movie-makers got lazy.

That was the first "official" work with Werewolves vs. Vampires to some degree right? From what I understand (which isn't a lot, fair warning. razz ) the first hint of Werewolves vs. Vampires was in Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein when the Wolf Man fought Dracula though it wasn't so much a set up for a "war" between the two as just the writers thought it would cool to see those two fight.

The history of White Wolf Productions and how it seems to have affected things so much is interesting though since a lot of things had been changed in regards to Werewolves and Vampires in newer media (for better or for worse). It's definitely something I'll have to look into more.

[Steel Sterling]

White Wolf didn't start EVERYTHING, of course. Ann Rice made vampires popular long before
Bella met Edward, and other writers were making "sexy werewolves" and "sexy vampires"
around that time and later. Much of the White Wolf stuff was about vampires and werewolves
as rivals, with some later stuff reflecting gamers and their tendency to "team up" at combined
tabletop games and-more often-LARPs. The Mind's Eye Theater Journal noted that kept
happening at LARPs specifically.

A number of writers, for better or worse, have taken the basic idea of a modern world with lots of
supernaturals operating and run with it- and THAT came from White Wolf. They had 5 core games-
Vampire:the Masquerade, Werewolf:the Apocalypse, Mage:the Ascension, Wraith:the Oblivion,
and Changeling:the Dreaming (vampires, werewolves, wizards, ghosts, and fairies.) One way or
another, different writers began writing about such a planet- and we got the True Blood/Sookie
Stackhouse novels, the Anita Blake series, Kitty Norville, the Dresden Files, and so on.