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Prettiest In Punk Im on Breaking Dawn I did get to the part where she is pregnant... You'll be wanting to murder Meyer after reading the book. ^^ No fight, No real violence, just a happy ending (pitiful ending...*sighs* Oh well). |
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Bloom Mousy Honestly, if I were in Bella's place, I'd quote Seto Kaiba from Yu-Gi-Oh! Abridged: "Screw the rules." And besides, playing damsel in distress is dumb. Also, 'Don't be a hero' applies if you're STARTING the fight, not defending yourself. That's probably why I don't like Bella because she's too spineless. I'm reading New Moon and it seems like she's trying to kill herself with that motorcycle. Rule #17 applies in any case that there are a large number of monsters trying to hunt you. It actually makes more sense to say that Rule #17 -doesn't- apply when you're starting a fight. |
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Miss Lissa Lindsey Personally, I view their relationship as Edward being intrigued by someone he couldn't figure out right off the bat. If Everyone you ever came along had all their thoughts bared out for you to see and hear, then it wouldn't be that fun getting to know anyone because in 30 seconds or less, you could know them better then they know themselves. With Bella, he got to have that journey of discovering another person's mind, and the mystery that involves not knowing their every thought. Movies from books are always a let-down. I didn't even bother seeing the movies, and I'm not going to. I don't agree with the casting. Robert Pattinson is NOT that perfect. I find him kind of ugly, personally. Alice is supposed to have a pixie cut, which is VERY short -- less than an inch -- and she wears it black and spiked, not a brown flip. They don't run by jumping through trees. There are so many discrepancies, that I wouldn't even CALL it twilight anymore. I do think that Twilight has given many young girls too idealistic a view of how to be treated by boys, but you know what? Maybe now, the boys will be less a*****e-ish and learn to treat their girlfriends with respect. So it goes both ways, really. I don't agree with the plagiarism bit. People will always find similarities between media if they try hard enough. One thing that I do think needs to be said to hardcore twilight fans is this. IT. IS. A. BOOK. You can't have Jacob or Edward's babies. It is not the end of the world when a new product comes out and you absolutely must have it. You, the insane fanbase, are what makes other people hate twilight, so stop getting your knickers in a twist when someone says they do not like it! Thank you, good day. That was a very good point. Thank you for sharing! =D |
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Mankind Member Okay, so I'm not a pure Twilight fan, and have only read the first and second books, but I still enjoy the series. This has been making me wonder since the very beginning: Why does Edward love Bella? There really is no reason why he should love her--she's described as not that cute, sort of Tomboyish, and there is nothing really written in the book that describes how fun/sweet/awesome/etc that she is to Edward that would actually attract him to her in the first place. The only reasons I was able to come up with were that he loves her scent, and he can't read her mind. But that doesn't seem like that would make a relationship grow strong and last. Personally, I believe the movie to be a bit of a let-down. After all they hype and everyone pre-ordering their tickets, it was one of the WORST movies I have ever seen--I thought the plot was okay and that it flowed pretty smoothly; although I felt that had I not read the series, I would have wondered how they went from loathing each other to in love with each other. Not to mention that that was a little confusing--the cast was bad! Robert Pattinson is the last thing from "perfect" that I can ever imagine--why didn't they just go with Tom Sturridge in the first place? In addition, Bella was too pretty. Could Twilight be polluting the minds of naive teenage girls? If you read the book and take everything for exactly as it's written on the page--Edward is a stalker and he wants to kill her in the beginning. Could this be sending the wrong message to the girls who use this book practically as their dating bible? Personally, if I woke up and a guy I didn't know so well was standing at the foot of my bed--the last thing I would do is fall in love with him! I recently found some comments here, toward the bottom of the page, that suggest that the plot of Twilight (as well as some dialogue and scenes) could've been plagiarized from the Vampire Diaries series written by L.J. Smith. Some excerpts from the comments: J. Wilson: "Not only are they similar in plot and with respect to mythical creatures but Twilight steals characters, events and even dialogue!!!" "The iconic Meadow scene from Twilight = the scene with Stefan and Damon (he rips a tree from the ground and whips around the forest to show his spead and stregnth)" "The ballet studio with the mirrors where James waits for Bella = a dream where Elena is walking down a mirrored hall to meet Damon (both the bad guys)" Kate L: "Both feature a female protagonist who falls in love with a Vampire who is actually hundreds of years old, but pretends to be a normal teen, who is incredibly good looking, strong, good senses ect… Both try and only feed off animals, leave humans in peace and try to be good. Both are morally guilty, and consider themselves evil. Both are incredibly drawn to the female protagonist, like they are soulmates, but at first try to hold back to protect her." "The plot in both books features a strong evil vampire who wants the female protagonist, who is madly in love with a weak good vampire." "This is just what I came up with in 10 minutes, the similarities don’t stop there. Some of these things are associated with the genre, but are still relevant, there are plenty of series’ for example, the Vampire beach series that avoid these cliches." Just thought it would be interesting to discuss, especially if anybody has read the Vampire Diaries and can provide further insight. socialblasphemy *SPOILER* In Breaking Dawn, Bella and Jake fall in love and kiss, but isn't it strange that Bella does this with Jake when she supposedly is in love (which is what we're led to believe through her constant babble) with Edward? Isn't it confusing as to how she can love two beings who completely hate each other based on race. lil mizz cutie 1436 <---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------& >>>Discuss!<<< exclaim All opinions are encouraged, as long as they're complete, constructed, thoughts. Please don't say "NAHA TWILIGHT BLOWS >:O" Because I will report you 3nodding Please try to keep responses at least 3 sentences long--or at least make sure you have some useful input to add into this debate. Also: Always looking for new topics to discuss! PM me another Twilight topic and I just might add it to the list biggrin (I'll add your name in bold below your topic) Rules:
Don't spam! Don't flame, troll, harass other Gaia members. In other words, follow the ToS. Everyone has a different opinions! Respect each other's opinions and don't bash each other. Don't post one word responses, they're useless and annoying. Please stop friend requesting me; I only add people that I am personally acquainted with. You're completely right, it isn't a strong foundation for a relationship, it is ridiculous that young girls and even adults support this book. Also, Bella's inability to go on living once Edward leaves breeds a really disgusting sort of reliance upon a need for a relationship with the opposite sex. |
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I totally didn't know that Dakota Fanning is playing Jane for New Moon gonk
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Sakura_Aqualight Miss Anne Throp Sakura_Aqualight I would have to say that I think they left out a very important scene that gives more "depth" to Bella that people who dont read the books dont see. Which scene was this? first book.... the scene when Bella and Edward are at lunch together ( I think its the first time they he asks her to eat with him) and Edward tells her that he wont go to Bio class today... but when she goes to class she faints because she smells Blood and Mike again has an oppurtunity to act all "Knight in Shinning Armor" and takes her to the Nurse Offices where Edward sees her, interjects and takes Bella instead. and they talk about how she hates the smell of blood and can smell it a mile away. That... doesn't really seem to provide much depth, it's just something else for Meyer to contradict later. Little Miss "Can't stand to be near blood" is downing it via giant sippy cup when she's preggers with the demon spawn. |
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Harujiro no Yorozuya Sakura_Aqualight Harujiro no Yorozuya Sonja the Awsome If you go on Meyer's site, she has her novel, Midnight Sun, which is in Edward's point of veiw. That explains why he likes Bella. If a character's motivation can't be explained in four books THAT HE IS THE MAIN CHARACTER OF, then no, screw you. Sakura Aqualight, NO. GURREN LAGANN IS THE EPITOME OF MANLINESS. THERE IS NO OTHER BEFORE IT. Edward isnt the maion character.... Bella is. and okkk its the "Epitome of Manliness" but I wasnt thinking that.... So, by that logic, I suppose our dear Uchiha friend isn't a main character. And neither, it would seem, is anyone else except for the titular character of Naruto. The Great Gatsby wasn't written from Gatsby's point of view, is he not a main character? YES AND WHEN THEY SPEAK ABOUT THE MANLY LEADER OF TEAM GURREN THEY SPEAK OF THE MIGHTY KAMINA. ... and also i like swords. |
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Shader-san Sakura_Aqualight Miss Anne Throp Sakura_Aqualight I would have to say that I think they left out a very important scene that gives more "depth" to Bella that people who dont read the books dont see. Which scene was this? first book.... the scene when Bella and Edward are at lunch together ( I think its the first time they he asks her to eat with him) and Edward tells her that he wont go to Bio class today... but when she goes to class she faints because she smells Blood and Mike again has an oppurtunity to act all "Knight in Shinning Armor" and takes her to the Nurse Offices where Edward sees her, interjects and takes Bella instead. and they talk about how she hates the smell of blood and can smell it a mile away. That... doesn't really seem to provide much depth, it's just something else for Meyer to contradict later. Little Miss "Can't stand to be near blood" is downing it via giant sippy cup when she's preggers with the demon spawn. yesss... but the only reason she craves blood is because she has the demon spawn in her. |
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Takahashi_Natsumi I totally didn't know that Dakota Fanning is playing Jane for New Moon gonk what??.... do you hate Dakota Fanning?? |
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Sakura_Aqualight Takahashi_Natsumi I totally didn't know that Dakota Fanning is playing Jane for New Moon gonk what??.... do you hate Dakota Fanning?? i express disbelief in you being a member of the same magicians guild i am in....and pineapple. |
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Quote: The Retanator What I don't like about the books is that I think they're sexist. Why? Because every female wants the same thing-- a family, children, a big strong man to love them, and are willing to do unthinkable things for it. ((Well, Meyer never talked about what Jessica and Angela want, but every female she did show wanted the same thing)) Rosalie-- Rosalie wanted someone to love her and babies and a family. Of course, this is also due to the role of women in the time period that she was raised in, but even as she experiences a longer, different version of life that spans seventy years, she still wants children so badly that she will result to MURDER to get a child. Edward and Jacob prove that in BD as Jacob thinks snide thoughts about Rosalie, and Edward reads Rose's thoughts and tells Jacob that he was correct. She saved Emmett because he remotely resembled the baby of a friend that she used to envy, because that friend had a home, a baby, and a big strong man to provide for her. Emmett goes on to be one of THE strongest vampires. He also is shown later in BD to only talk about Rosalie when he's talking about sex. He never once calls her his angel or anything (like he does in Meyer's outtakes that tell his story about how he was changed)-- I don't think. He might have said something, but if he did, it wasn't anything big enough for me to actually REMEMBER, which proves my point. Also, she doesn't even really save Emmett, because she does not trust herself to have the self-control to change him. Instead, she takes him to Carlisle, a big strong man with massive amounts of self control, because in Meyer's universe, the only people with self-control are the men. Jasper has self control because he, although unstable and used to a diet of human blood, is around humans all the time, and even though it's really hard for him, he abstains. Even though there is at least one girl on her period all the time at Forks High (if you think about it), and thus bleeding. Jasper smells the blood, and does nothing, because he has self-control. And we all know Edward's self-control. He's trained himself to ignore the most potent smell of blood to him ever and be around Bella and love her, and even have sex with her. Carlisle is the Vampire doctor-- the one who's around blood ALL DAY LONG and has developed huge amounts of self control to deal with this. None of the girls are portrayed as having self control. In fact, Alice is constantly being shown as having NO control over herself, going overboard, and over the top ALL THE TIME. But I'll get to her later. Anyways, back to Rosalie. She's shown as only thinking about herself. This is showcased in Midnight Sun where Edward describes her thoughts as being a shallow pool because she is only concerned with how pretty she is. Yeah, I realize that there ARE women like that, but if you couple that with all the other women in the book who are only concerned with clothes and fashion, that really is demeaning. Alice-- Alice says that in one of the books that the minute she opened her eyes after becoming a vampire, she saw Jasper's face in her mind, and knows she's destined for Jasper, who's a warrior. AKA a big strong man. So she doesn't worry, and instead goes to wait for him, and subsequently, she's waiting for her chance to join a peaceful family led by a big strong man. Alice shows that all women are supposed to do is sit around like Rapunzel in a tower and wait for a guy to come by and save us. Alice had the potential to be a really cool character, but Meyer turned her into someone who would sit around, waiting for a guy, and when he shows up, she's supposed to reform him and turn him into a good person. After she does that, she, like Rosalie, is concerned about clothes and fashion ALL THE TIME. Her mind is filled with having sleepovers, and throwing parties, and fluff. The only time it's shown that she has something REAL on her mind is at the VERY END of BD, when she goes to help her family. Esme-- She tries to kill herself because her baby is stillborn. Either that, or it dies shortly after it was born. I think it says somewhere that her husband used to beat her. Or, otherwise, it was in a fan fiction that I read. But let's just go with that, and say that he did beat her. She threw herself off a CLIFF (aka TRIED TO KILL HERSELF) because she did not get the ideal family, husband, and child. And then Carlisle comes out of no where and saves her and turns her into a vampire, and she lives happily ever after with a bunch of "Kids" who aren't even kids because they're all like 70 years old, which fulfills her desire to be a mother. And it shows that all she wants to do is be a mother figure. I can understand wanting to be a mom, because I want to be a mom, and I'm sure she's good at it, because she's helped stop these people from murdering innocent humans, along with Carlisle. However, I find it ridiculous that she will KILL herself if she doesn't get to be a mom. Esme teaches us that "If you don't get your goal, go kill yourself, girls." You don't see any of the men throwing themselves off cliffs if they don't meet THEIR goals. |
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LiamTine Sakura_Aqualight Takahashi_Natsumi I totally didn't know that Dakota Fanning is playing Jane for New Moon gonk what??.... do you hate Dakota Fanning?? i express disbelief in you being a member of the same magicians guild i am in....and pineapple. what!!!??? i am not in a magicians guild... i think you have me confused with someone else.... and what does that have anything to do with Dakota Fanning???? |
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Sakura_Aqualight LiamTine Sakura_Aqualight Takahashi_Natsumi I totally didn't know that Dakota Fanning is playing Jane for New Moon gonk what??.... do you hate Dakota Fanning?? i express disbelief in you being a member of the same magicians guild i am in....and pineapple. what!!!??? i am not in a magicians guild... i think you have me confused with someone else.... and what does that have anything ???? ... fairy tail....and it has nothing to do with Dakota Fanning. |
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LiamTine Sakura_Aqualight LiamTine Sakura_Aqualight Takahashi_Natsumi I totally didn't know that Dakota Fanning is playing Jane for New Moon gonk what??.... do you hate Dakota Fanning?? i express disbelief in you being a member of the same magicians guild i am in....and pineapple. what!!!??? i am not in a magicians guild... i think you have me confused with someone else.... and what does that have anything ???? ... fairy tail....and it has nothing to do with Dakota Fanning. ohhh... okkks stare |
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