[ Poll ] Ramy's Art Auction :O [HB : 12mill] TWO DAYS LEFT

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.		23.9%	[ 51 ]
*		31.5%	[ 67 ]
$		23.9%	[ 51 ]
&		20.7%	[ 44 ]

Total Votes: 213

[Emaya]

we're on the wrong timezone you t**t rolleyes
they're all probably asleep or something

[Irikarah]

Dat so uncool. I want to be in da same time zone as Ramy. Im going to watch dis thred. O, wanna be frendz? smile

[sekiyoku]

Emaya

Ooo...Ramy auction. I didn't know he was on Gaia.



I admit, I dun really get it.

Isn't Sekiyoku (The current HB) suppose to be Ramy's girlfriend Ryo0oki? I mean thats why all the artists keep typing "RYO!!!" whenever they see her right?

What's the point of making an auction for a Grizzly bear hat quest when your own girlfriend is just going to bid double the previous HB rolleyes

It's like not getting paid at all stare

It's not his quest, so he wouldn't be getting paid regardless, and I'm giving up the item still. xD He's going to have to draw for me still too. :p

Anyway, I wasn't planning to bid, but honestly, there aren't very many good auctions on Gaia, and I wouldn't want to pass this one up. xD

[Emaya]

...So you couldnt pass up the chance to win auction art off your own boyfriend who would probably (or should totally be capable of) in all reasonable sense provide you with art anyway w/out the need of pay or competition to begin with? Or is Ramy srsly that stingy?

And speaking of the quest not being his, who IS the dude being showered with such charity.

@Gigolo: Uhm, no? eek
Why in the world would I befriend someone who writes netspeak and names himself after a male prostitute, after an exchange of 2 posts?

[Irikarah]

dat make mi feel sadder. ;__; Mai name mean 'hallo' in Atlantian.

[Aim-s]

Wow, the atmoshphere changes radically during my absence....(o_o wink

[Emaya]

@Gigolo: LIES! You preposterous pixellated male whore gonk

@Aim-s: What atmosphere? From what I gathered the thread was close to death anyway.

[Luniara]

What a waste! This guys art all looks the same. He'll just make another 99% like this one!

[Lokklyn]

Luniara

What a waste! This guys art all looks the same. He'll just make another 99% like this one!

In Ramy's defense, he is trying to grow as an artist. I've talked to him plenty, and he acknowledges his weak points and is going out of his way to fix them- statements like yours are a bit.. i don't know, assholeish and uninformed. Am I allowed to say that on Gaia?
Whining about Ramy (or any other artist, really) is a sign of being incredibly starved for attention. Why not put the effort you would have spent slandering other artists on public forums, wikis, and DA journals into a more productive outlet, such as improving your own art?

I feel that way not just about you, but anyone who finds the need to b***h about any other artist in a public setting. Like you, they are humans, and you have to remember that even in the anonymity of the internet, your reputation is what you make it. I don't know you, but you probably wouldn't take too kindly if I were to insult your art. I would never bother, either, because it makes me look whiny and childish to retort that way.

And for the record: your DA and gaia popularity are not a true measure of success. I wish people wouldn't get so ******** butt-hurt over it. Relax. Go out and enjoy the world, not some silly virtual sense of achievement.

[Emaya]

Lokklyn

...Whining about Ramy (or any other artist, really) is a sign of being incredibly starved for attention. Why not put the effort you would have spent slandering other artists on public forums, wikis, and DA journals into a more productive outlet, such as improving your own art?

Pfft. Everything your saying is completely reliant on the belief that whining artists are either crap or unpopular on the internet, yet let's be honest- a great majority of people who openly b***h about Ramy's work tends to have enough popularity and skill to prove a point.

As for him trying to grow as an artist- frankly acknowledgment of faults does not necessarily equate to actions. His works have developed from safe to safer, from glittery people to people who simply have wings. As viewers we see absolutely no artistic change, it's just the same thing over and over and frankly it's getting to a point where it's really REALLY old. stare Heck just because some of us don't draw doesn't mean that we're blind.

I agree, Internet popularity says absolutely NOTHING about a person's technical skill or ability to succeed, and a person's reputation is based solely upon their actions- but how is this relevant at all to the people who b***h about him? Isn't it actually more relevant to Ramy instead? Nobody really gets a bad name from saying anything negative about him- since most self respecting artists hold pretty much the same stance, but Ramy's reputation on the internet is a pretty bad one, from art traces to purposeful miscategorization of deviations, down to the whole Senra incident last summer. Is it really so surprising that people find him a complete eyesore?

Besides, I think it speaks a lot when the only two people defending him so far happens to be people who draw like him.

@Luniara: There is no waste.
His own girlfriend won the auction sweatdrop
At least she should have as the end date/time of this auction has long been past.

[Jaebee]

gorgeous art btw 4laugh heart

Happy holidays!!~~

[Lokklyn]

Emaya

Lokklyn

...Whining about Ramy (or any other artist, really) is a sign of being incredibly starved for attention. Why not put the effort you would have spent slandering other artists on public forums, wikis, and DA journals into a more productive outlet, such as improving your own art?

Pfft. Everything your saying is completely reliant on the belief that whining artists are either crap or unpopular on the internet, yet let's be honest- a great majority of people who openly b***h about Ramy's work tends to have enough popularity and skill to prove a point.

I agree, Internet popularity says absolutely NOTHING about a person's technical skill or ability to succeed, and a person's reputation is based solely upon their actions- but how is this relevant at all to the people who b***h about him? Isn't it actually more relevant to Ramy instead? Nobody really gets a bad name from saying anything negative about him- since most self respecting artists hold pretty much the same stance, but Ramy's reputation on the internet is a pretty bad one, from art traces to purposeful miscategorization of deviations, down to the whole Senra incident last summer. Is it really so surprising that people find him a complete eyesore?

Besides, I think it speaks a lot when the only two people defending him so far happens to be people who draw like him.

@Luniara: There is no waste.
His own girlfriend won the auction sweatdrop
At least she should have as the end date/time of this auction has long been past.

I disagree- the "popular" people who whine about Ramy are dramabombs only looking for a pat on the back from their fan-base, when they are really in no position to do so. They put things in categories for optimum exposure, and not necessarily the correct ones. If they get bumped off the front page, they go nuts.
On reputation: This wasn't directed at any one poster in particular. Maybe it doesn't encompass all the people who rant about Ramy, but many of the well-known artists on DA who DO whine about them could go very, very far in improving their own technique. I don't want to name names, but it just seems like they're awful sourfaced about not having an even larger fanbase because Ramy just happens to appeal many people on DA. It's a silly power struggle, filled with jealousy and contemptuous bitching. It's a ridiculous race to the front page of Popular, and people tend to feel robbed if another artist "takes" what they felt was rightfully theirs.

If becoming more popular on DeviantArt is that important to those artists, then they should make their art more appealing to the majority of DA instead of crying about how someone else has already capitalized on DA's love of shine.

If you have any sense of dignity as an artist, you don't announce your hatred of others in the community. It lowers peoples' opinion of you as a decent person.

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As for him trying to grow as an artist- frankly acknowledgment of faults does not necessarily equate to actions. His works have developed from safe to safer, from glittery people to people who simply have wings. As viewers we see absolutely no artistic change, it's just the same thing over and over and frankly it's getting to a point where it's really REALLY old. stare Heck just because some of us don't draw doesn't mean that we're blind.

I think there's the pressure on DA to upload only things people will want to see. In my opinion, you need to break free of DA in order to grow; it's not like he doesn't do things on the side. They're mostly in his Scraps gallery now, or floating around on his hard drive somewhere.

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Besides, I think it speaks a lot when the only two people defending him so far happens to be people who draw like him.

I'm his friend in real life, what do you want? He's one of the nicest guys I've ever met, seriously. I feel like I would fail him as a friend if I didn't try to defend him. I think if some of the people who have expressed their hatred of his art online met him face-to-face, they'd quiet down a little. Even if you don't like someone's art, you don't have to be rancorous towards them. There's little civility in people's criticism towards Ramy. I'm not saying they should sugarcoat everything, but the intentions matter. Most people just want to cut him down. But for anyone who would genuinely want to see him grow, he takes suggestions and constructive crit seriously.

I didn't actually think I'd have to defend myself, because my work speaks for itself.. but, my work on DA doesn't reflect my entire body of art (I choose to keep some of it on my personal gallery, for instance). I would say much of my fan art stuff reflects Ramy's and Sylvia's influences, but that was for the sake of making my summer financially stable. You need to find a line between stuff you're satisfied with as an artist, and stuff that will feed you. If you want to rag on me for trying to survive as an artist (though that doesn't seem your intention), that's fine. This has always been a dilemma in the art world. Personally, I'm tired of drawing anime, and am trying to move into more realistic stuff so that I can appeal to a broader audience (one outside of DeviantArt). Unlike Ramy, who wants to be a doctor or something, I do have plans to become a professional in my field (concept art? texture artist, etc etc), so I'm tweaking my style so I can pursue a job in it.

[Aegisaurora]

What is this?
stressed
Arguments are useless.


I enjoy looking at your artwork, Rami! Keep up the good work!

Lokklyn, yours is beautiful, too! I followed your signature to your DA account.

*bump*

[Emaya]

Lokklyn

I disagree- the "popular" people who whine about Ramy are dramabombs only looking for a pat on the back from their fan-base, when they are really in no position to do so. They put things in categories for optimum exposure, and not necessarily the correct ones. If they get bumped off the front page, they go nuts.

Funny. From what I hear Ramy and Sylvia were offenders of the miscategorization game as well. confused
It's amusing how you defend Ramy on the basis that nobody knows him in real life- when you are totally capable of easily generalizing the entirety of the so called 'popular' sect of DA. I will also add that it annoys me to no end when people write off people as attention seekers, when really anyone who posts ANYTHING on the internet is just about as attention seeking. Heck I'm attention seeking, and so are you. It's just such an ignorant and hypocritical thing to say.

Lokklyn

On reputation ... Ramy just happens to appeal many people on DA. It's a silly power struggle, filled with jealousy and contemptuous bitching. It's a ridiculous race to the front page of Popular, and people tend to feel robbed if another artist "takes" what they felt was rightfully theirs.

Again, another serious generalization. You make it sound like everyone believes that internet fame means something, but if you bother to talk to any of the bigshots at all, you'll realize most of them really doing give an a** about it, simply because they know exactly how mucked up and incredibly retarded the system is.

Lokklyn

If becoming more popular on DeviantArt is that important to those artists, then they should make their art more appealing to the majority of DA instead of crying about how someone else has already capitalized on DA's love of shine.

Hah. As I said, most of the people in this category happens to have already ridiculously appealing art. Nobody really "cries" over Ramy, they feel contempt and may laugh over how ridiculous the system has become, but there is really very little in the number of people whining about him who feel actual envy. It's a bit like Mikutashi, I don't think anyone really wants to be her either. lol

Lokklyn

If you have any sense of dignity as an artist, you don't announce your hatred of others in the community. It lowers peoples' opinion of you as a decent person.

Actually, when you look at the amount of positive responses that come their way- asides from the justflyakite incident where he came off as a jackass, along with Ramy who also joined in on the hopeless immaturity- most people LOVE those who bash their (and the readers') enemies as long as they have the capability to not play hypocrite. The numbers who make up the head-shakers are so, so, SO few that it doesn't make any impact at all.

Lokklyn

I think there's the pressure on DA to upload only things people will want to see. In my opinion, you need to break free of DA in order to grow; it's not like he doesn't do things on the side. They're mostly in his Scraps gallery now, or floating around on his hard drive somewhere.

There isn't. There's only a pressure if you're hopelessly obsessed with internet fame.

Lokklyn

I'm his friend in real life, what do you want? He's one of the nicest guys I've ever met, seriously. I feel like I would fail him as a friend if I didn't try to defend him. ... There's little civility in people's criticism towards Ramy. I'm not saying they should sugarcoat everything, but the intentions matter. Most people just want to cut him down. But for anyone who would genuinely want to see him grow, he takes suggestions and constructive crit seriously.

I think, if he wasn't constantly feeling 'pressurized' into posting up images that show no sign of growth whatsoever, people would actually cut him some slack. Sadly this isn't the case now is it? I respect that you ARE his friend, and that you ARE defending him for it, but my bother isn't that you did, but that you were the only one who even bothered, and you seem to be the person who, in art, actively enjoys his 'style'. So far nobody seems to be bothered to contend against the notion that he has a mono-style/expression art.

Lokklyn

I didn't actually think I'd have to defend myself, because my work speaks for itself.. but, my work on DA doesn't reflect my entire body of art (I choose to keep some of it on my personal gallery, for instance). I would say much of my fan art stuff reflects Ramy's and Sylvia's influences, but that was for the sake of making my summer financially stable. You need to find a line between stuff you're satisfied with as an artist, and stuff that will feed you. If you want to rag on me for trying to survive as an artist (though that doesn't seem your intention), that's fine. This has always been a dilemma in the art world. Personally, I'm tired of drawing anime, and am trying to move into more realistic stuff so that I can appeal to a broader audience (one outside of DeviantArt). Unlike Ramy, who wants to be a doctor or something, I do have plans to become a professional in my field (concept art? texture artist, etc etc), so I'm tweaking my style so I can pursue a job in it.

Why on earth do you people anyway have to speak lowly of Anime art and highly of realism!? I'm not saying either has any superiority over the other, but doesn't the fact that you drew anime art at all suggest that you do enjoy it to some degree, and that you yourself should understand that a great deal of effort still gets planted into creating GOOD anime art?
And really I don't see why a person COULDN'T make art that is appealing to the masses which they could fully enjoy themselves AND show an incredible sense of creativity and technical skill. Sure, it takes a lot of effort and time, but isn't that the whole POINT? I mean, some small number of fanfictionists are capable of doing it, and they ahve a HUGE stereotype to break through, so how much more different can it be with drawing!?

Furthermore doesn't the fact that you strike off Ramy and Sylvia's works as money making anime works which you don't feel satisfaction over just further show that you yourself don't see much worth in Ramy's works either stare

[Suiichirou-sama]

even though i don't know what's going on, but i looked at the high bidder's website, and in her blog there was a few pics that ramy did submit on deviantart, and is also by ryo0oki...
so the main thing i guess is, ramy = highbidder = ryo0oki
and that's super messed up @_@;;