[ Poll ] Umineko no Naku Koro ni (Seacats)

Who is your favorite witch?

Ange Beatoriche		16.1%	[ 10 ]
Beato		25.8%	[ 16 ]
Evatrice		8.1%	[ 5 ]
Fancy Rika		27.4%	[ 17 ]
34		16.1%	[ 10 ]
Virgila		6.5%	[ 4 ]

Total Votes: 62

This poll closed on September 23, 2009.
No longer accepting new votes.

[Fujico]

Kay, I'll PM you the link to the file. :3
It's organized a little strangely, though. Sorry.

Heheh, I love Maria in both the anime and the games.
I was surprised so many people hated her.

I hope DEEN included the ???. I wanna see Bernkastel ~ heart

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ShakuganXIII

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Is the anime cannan to the visual novels?

The next thing i wonder about which I'm not sure if it's Studio Deen screwing up or it's how it's supposed to be is when the letter appears on the table in Kinzo's study. Nanjo, Genji, and Kumasawa are standing against the wall, but my problem with this scene is. After the letter appears on the table and Natsuhi already has her gun up maria just happens to walk from Natsuhi's side of the room to the side the servents are on. So shouldn't this make her innocent and why is she being sent out of the room if she's not even near the table when letter first appears.

Maria walks up behind natsuhi after she's already taken her eyes off of the maria and the rest, so when maria pointed out the letter she could have dropped it there b4 hand then went to go talk with the rest, which is why natsuhi cant consider maria innocent, not sure if thats exactly how it happend in the game, since it doesnt really explain where the characters are, maria could have been talking from across the room in the game for all i know lol

There's some problems with your theory in a few respects. I'm not sure how valid this is in regards to the visual novel sense not sure placement of characters

Okay so lets say maria put the letter on the table. Where the servents and nanjo where standing they should of surely seen the letter get placed or seen it before Natsuhi did. They should know that if Natsuhi sees it there would surely be some recourse. So why did none of them grab it and hide it. Now this is playing the odds in a sense that if none of the three against the wall where in on the plot they'd surely act to hide it so they won't get sent out or he suspected. Though you could also argue that they just as well didn't want to be caught in the act of hiding it, but you figure with their lives on the line they may just risk it.

So in the case of assuming all of the three saw the letter or not I figure they must be accomplices to the crime or else they'd of tried to hide it. They must of figured they'd be fine going out for they on killers side.

Though Nanjo, Genji, and Kumasawa die. I forget the exact red text on this scene. Though I figuring that if going with the Nanjo allows Kanon to fake his death. That ethier kanon=shannon or Kanon is capable pulling off dressing up as beato to trick maria. Kanon just double crosses Nanjo, Genji, and kKmasawa.

Sorry this is a pretty long theory, but with how anime layed it out this is how i think episode 1 was done.

[ShakuganXIII]

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ShakuganXIII

Hacked on fire

Is the anime cannan to the visual novels?

The next thing i wonder about which I'm not sure if it's Studio Deen screwing up or it's how it's supposed to be is when the letter appears on the table in Kinzo's study. Nanjo, Genji, and Kumasawa are standing against the wall, but my problem with this scene is. After the letter appears on the table and Natsuhi already has her gun up maria just happens to walk from Natsuhi's side of the room to the side the servents are on. So shouldn't this make her innocent and why is she being sent out of the room if she's not even near the table when letter first appears.

Maria walks up behind natsuhi after she's already taken her eyes off of the maria and the rest, so when maria pointed out the letter she could have dropped it there b4 hand then went to go talk with the rest, which is why natsuhi cant consider maria innocent, not sure if thats exactly how it happend in the game, since it doesnt really explain where the characters are, maria could have been talking from across the room in the game for all i know lol

There's some problems with your theory in a few respects. I'm not sure how valid this is in regards to the visual novel sense not sure placement of characters

Okay so lets say maria put the letter on the table. Where the servents and nanjo where standing they should of surely seen the letter get placed or seen it before Natsuhi did. They should know that if Natsuhi sees it there would surely be some recourse. So why did none of them grab it and hide it. Now this is playing the odds in a sense that if none of the three against the wall where in on the plot they'd surely act to hide it so they won't get sent out or he suspected. Though you could also argue that they just as well didn't want to be caught in the act of hiding it, but you figure with their lives on the line they may just risk it.

So in the case of assuming all of the three saw the letter or not I figure they must be accomplices to the crime or else they'd of tried to hide it. They must of figured they'd be fine going out for they on killers side.

Though Nanjo, Genji, and Kumasawa die. I forget the exact red text on this scene. Though I figuring that if going with the Nanjo allows Kanon to fake his death. That ethier kanon=shannon or Kanon is capable pulling off dressing up as beato to trick maria. Kanon just double crosses Nanjo, Genji, and kKmasawa.

Sorry this is a pretty long theory, but with how anime layed it out this is how i think episode 1 was done.

well, my theory wasnt really on who dropped it, but why Natsuhi threw out Maria as well, i dont think anyone noticed the letter until maria pointed it out, because no one even went near the table, truthfully since the beginning of episode 1(of the game) i decided beatrice was real. I might change my mind though, still have alot of episode 3 to read, and 4.
Also you mentioned the red text for this scene, this scene is way b4 the whole red text thing right....unless the same thing happens in one of the episodes i havent finished.

Another thing! lol i've heard the whole kanon=shannon thing b4, but i've never heard any explanation to why someone would think that...could you explain? unless it involves future events

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ShakuganXIII

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ShakuganXIII

Hacked on fire

Is the anime cannan to the visual novels?

The next thing i wonder about which I'm not sure if it's Studio Deen screwing up or it's how it's supposed to be is when the letter appears on the table in Kinzo's study. Nanjo, Genji, and Kumasawa are standing against the wall, but my problem with this scene is. After the letter appears on the table and Natsuhi already has her gun up maria just happens to walk from Natsuhi's side of the room to the side the servents are on. So shouldn't this make her innocent and why is she being sent out of the room if she's not even near the table when letter first appears.

Maria walks up behind natsuhi after she's already taken her eyes off of the maria and the rest, so when maria pointed out the letter she could have dropped it there b4 hand then went to go talk with the rest, which is why natsuhi cant consider maria innocent, not sure if thats exactly how it happend in the game, since it doesnt really explain where the characters are, maria could have been talking from across the room in the game for all i know lol

There's some problems with your theory in a few respects. I'm not sure how valid this is in regards to the visual novel sense not sure placement of characters

Okay so lets say maria put the letter on the table. Where the servents and nanjo where standing they should of surely seen the letter get placed or seen it before Natsuhi did. They should know that if Natsuhi sees it there would surely be some recourse. So why did none of them grab it and hide it. Now this is playing the odds in a sense that if none of the three against the wall where in on the plot they'd surely act to hide it so they won't get sent out or he suspected. Though you could also argue that they just as well didn't want to be caught in the act of hiding it, but you figure with their lives on the line they may just risk it.

So in the case of assuming all of the three saw the letter or not I figure they must be accomplices to the crime or else they'd of tried to hide it. They must of figured they'd be fine going out for they on killers side.

Though Nanjo, Genji, and Kumasawa die. I forget the exact red text on this scene. Though I figuring that if going with the Nanjo allows Kanon to fake his death. That ethier kanon=shannon or Kanon is capable pulling off dressing up as beato to trick maria. Kanon just double crosses Nanjo, Genji, and kKmasawa.

Sorry this is a pretty long theory, but with how anime layed it out this is how i think episode 1 was done.

well, my theory wasnt really on who dropped it, but why Natsuhi threw out Maria as well, i dont think anyone noticed the letter until maria pointed it out, because no one even went near the table, truthfully since the beginning of episode 1(of the game) i decided beatrice was real. I might change my mind though, still have alot of episode 3 to read, and 4.
Also you mentioned the red text for this scene, this scene is way b4 the whole red text thing right....unless the same thing happens in one of the episodes i havent finished.

Another thing! lol i've heard the whole kanon=shannon thing b4, but i've never heard any explanation to why someone would think that...could you explain? unless it involves future events

I get what your saying, but I figure letter has to come from the servants and Nanjo or maria. The way they where standing it's little hard to believe that none of the servants or Nanjo saw the letter before Maria placed or before one of them placed it.
Red text in the future or some of it applies to all games and episode 1. The shannon=kanon thing is formed based on fact that Battler's pov has never seen them together at same time. Seeing it's believed his pov and red text are only things true that's how it was formed.

[ShakuganXIII]

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The shannon=kanon thing is formed based on fact that Battler's pov has never seen them together at same time. Seeing it's believed his pov and red text are only things true that's how it was formed.

That is really suspicious, but i couldnt really accept it unless some kind of conspiracy with alot of the characters was going on. And thinking that everything shown from another point of view other than Battlers could be false is kinda irritating lol

[876H]

Seems like I missed a lot, hard to read after just waking up too.

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Text

Red text archive anyway.

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here's the full list of voice actresses of the stakes

Lucifer: Yuka Saitou
Leviathan: Madoka Yonezawa
Satan: Youko Hikasa
Belphegor: Seiko Yoshida
Mammon: Ayano Niina
Beelzebub: Yuri Yamaoka
Asmodeus: Aki Toyosaki

I wonder if the other voice actresses from K-On will have roles in Umineko.

I'll just leave this here http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7609466

[Fujico]

876H

Seems like I missed a lot, hard to read after just waking up too.

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Text

Red text archive anyway.

Kick a** ~ I had no idea there was a red text archive. <3

Now I'm excited to hear the Siestsa's voices. (pfft, long way to go gonk )

[emiri_06]

4laugh
uuu! uuu! maria's rose isnt here!


haha i love maria, but when she does that uu uu crap i wanna smack her like her mom did in episode one.

anyways i love this anime!! its more dramatic than the Cicaidas show.

[II R e d i v i v u s II]

It's a contract, a link that we share. We are inseparable, and we are possibly unbreakable.
It is what we call, a . . .
cursed M I R A C L E.
x ---------------------------------------- x

Uu~
Beato is gonna whoop some a** in the next episode O:

Haha.

Hmmm, looking at the recent replies, they already announced the siestas' voice actresses?
That makes me wonder how the stakes will sound like.. (probably the same or similar to the siestas)
=w=;

Bwaahh~ I can't wait until the next episode :'D

Maria's creepiness is pretty darn epic :]

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876H

Seems like I missed a lot, hard to read after just waking up too.

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Text

Red text archive anyway.

Thanks that's what i was looking for. Seeing the last episode i think watching the anime is going to spawn more theories or at least more lol Deen.

I'm highly looking forward to seeing how next episode is going to be handled plus happy episode 1 is pretty much over seeing as the other episodes are a lot more interesting. At least for me.

Anyone have any more thoughts on the theory i posted page before?

[876H]

It makes sense if you assume Nanjo, Kumasawa, and Genji are working together. Genji and Nanjo are the most suspicious anyway. Although there is no guarantee she wouldn't just shoot them straight away.

Although if they had assumed it was the one Natsui had just opened, since she was turned around before it was discovered then it'd also make sense.

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@876H I do have to a gree with you, but I did leave one part of my theory out. Sense I don't believe it was Maria that placed the letter and it was ether Genji or Nanjo. Reason I believe that is mainly why would Maria point out a letter she placed. She'd most likely just start reading it like the one before first twilight. Which is why i assume it wasn't her that placed it.

[876H]

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@876H I do have to a gree with you, but I did leave one part of my theory out. Sense I don't believe it was Maria that placed the letter and it was ether Genji or Nanjo. Reason I believe that is mainly why would Maria point out a letter she placed. She'd most likely just start reading it like the one before first twilight. Which is why i assume it wasn't her that placed it.

I don't think it matters who placed it,
from what we know about Beato, it would be odd for her to have asked Maria to point it out. so we can assume maria is acting independently and innocently at that point.
I'm sure any of them would have noticed if one of them placed it though, so we can still cast suspicion on them all for not speaking up.

The problem I have is why

Meet another person.
Reached a dead end with everyone together and had to separate them, thus the 'discord' sign.
Escaping from something. Natsuhi or some trap.
Some other reason.

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876H

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@876H I do have to a gree with you, but I did leave one part of my theory out. Sense I don't believe it was Maria that placed the letter and it was ether Genji or Nanjo. Reason I believe that is mainly why would Maria point out a letter she placed. She'd most likely just start reading it like the one before first twilight. Which is why i assume it wasn't her that placed it.

I don't think it matters who placed it,
from what we know about Beato, it would be odd for her to have asked Maria to point it out. so we can assume maria is acting independently and innocently at that point.
I'm sure any of them would have noticed if one of them placed it though, so we can still cast suspicion on them all for not speaking up.

The problem I have is why

Meet another person.
Reached a dead end with everyone together and had to separate them, thus the 'discord' sign.
Escaping from something. Natsuhi or some trap.
Some other reason.

I do agree the who doesn't seem to matter to much. Though I think in this case it may shine something into the why section. Though you are right it is the why that's the important part.

The thing with even placing it interesting is it's as you said in post before a 50/50 chance they are shot or sent out the room. What this might lead me to believe is in my original thought that it's safer in the parlor then in Kinzo's study. Maybe Natsuhi did kill someone independently of the main group of killers or something to that degree.