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I genuinely don't care. I hardly use "cartoon" for anything, but will use the blanket term of "animation" to describe something. It makes it easier for me if I run into different types of animation I'm trying to describe. Mostly since "cartoon" seems to be a dated term meant to describe a type of animation meant for children that is usually 2-30 minutes long. So, most children programming to me is a cartoon. Otherwise, it's "Japanese animation/ anime (mostly since it's one of the few foreign types of animation that has an official name/following)", "American Animation (referring to things like South Park, Family Guy, etc...)", "French Animation (provided I don't let my French lessons get the best of me and say "dessin anime" instead)" and so on.

While there is overlap between what some would consider a cartoon or a specific type of animation, who am I to correct someone for calling Pokemon, Persepolis, South Park, and so on a cartoon instead of a specific animation? In the end, I won't lose sleep one way and I don't really have that argument with anyone, but I don't think that they'd lose sleep over it either.

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It bothered me during my annoying teenage weeaboo phase. Doesn't bother me now. Anime = cartoons.

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Anime is cartoons. Japanese-style cartoons, but still cartoons nonetheless. The word is a shortening for the word "animation", thus why it is written in katakana (used commonly for foreign borrowed words). Anyone who denies it are being delusional and should pick up a Japanese-English dictionary. Besides, in Japan, they call American cartoons such as Spongebob "anime", too. I prefer the word "animation" when it comes to defining anime in English terminology, though.

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does it bother me? nope.

inside Japan "anime" and "cartoon" are used as synonyms, they literally mean the same thing. Japan just chopped down the katakana spelling of "animation" to three kana to get a shorter word to replace their previous, more bulky, term for animated cartoons, which was manga-eiga. it's not uncommon to hear mangaka or anime creators call their works cartoons (in Engrish, of course, just like how it's not uncommon to hear creators and fans call manga "comikku" instead of manga).

the whole idea that it's insulting/wrong to call anime cartoons is just plain wankery. there are western made cartoons aimed at teens and/or adults so there's nothing saying cartoons are aimed at kids. it's also factual most Japanese made animation is kodomomuke stuff that never makes it out of Japan (or only makes it out to other Asian countries) or is shonen/shojo stuff with most of that aimed at either the demographic in general or the younger half of the demographic. seinen and josei anime is in the minority so it's false to say anime is aimed at an older demographic than cartoons.

furthermore there is no "anime style." anime uses multiple styles and about the only thing most anime has in common is the fact they make it fast and cheap compared to western made animation.

the whole idea that anime is better and more mature than western made cartoons comes from non-Japanese anime fans trying to make themselves look better and their attempts to prove Japanese animation is inherently better than western animation with a bunch of false assumptions and hyperbole they start taking more seriously than they should as well as presenting a few seinen anime examples as if they're the norm rather than the exception.

it's factual that anime just means cartoons, so why should it bother anyone to hear them called that. unless you're overly self conscious about what other people think of you then it shouldn't. a mature person is able to like what they like without needing to feel the need to defend it by trying to make it look "better" than it is.

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I genuinely don't care. I hardly use "cartoon" for anything, but will use the blanket term of "animation" to describe something. It makes it easier for me if I run into different types of animation I'm trying to describe. Mostly since "cartoon" seems to be a dated term meant to describe a type of animation meant for children that is usually 2-30 minutes long. So, most children programming to me is a cartoon. Otherwise, it's "Japanese animation/ anime (mostly since it's one of the few foreign types of animation that has an official name/following)", "American Animation (referring to things like South Park, Family Guy, etc...)", "French Animation (provided I don't let my French lessons get the best of me and say "dessin anime" instead)" and so on.

While there is overlap between what some would consider a cartoon or a specific type of animation, who am I to correct someone for calling Pokemon, Persepolis, South Park, and so on a cartoon instead of a specific animation? In the end, I won't lose sleep one way and I don't really have that argument with anyone, but I don't think that they'd lose sleep over it either.


I find myself doing that too, referring to anime and cartoons as animations. It's easier and no one will cause a fuss over it. I liked your response!

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Cartoon is a cartoon.

People who get mad at such insignificant s**t are the ones who need help. In the end were all just watching cartoons. I don't really care I call everything animated a cartoon it's easier.

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I don't mind, hell sometimes I call anime cartoons myself. When I see people get worked up over them, for instance, I say "Calm down it's just a cartoon".

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If you watch anime, then, you've heard it. The reason why, is, when it comes down to it, anime is the Japanese word for animation, so, most people will just think "Aha! Japanese cartoons." Although, some more outrageously uninformed people have been known to say "Chinese".

Anyway, my feelings on the subject matter are actually kind of weird. I've loved anime for a pretty long time and have always been quick to defend it when people throw words like "immature" or "cartoon" at me, but, in the later years I have been more accepting of people who choose to use that word. I mean, I love cartoons! Bob's Burgers, Disney movies, PPG, AT, you name it! So why should cartoon be that negative to me?

But the thing is, no matter how edgy or offensive a cartoon is here in America, we continue considering it to be childish and go on with our day. I don't think anime fans want that idea to be associated with anime, because, really, anime is so much more! Fascinating and detailed plotlines, hundreds upon thousands of beautiful artstyles to be exposed to, action, adventure, fantasy, horror, romance---and, admittedly, some senseless violence or fanservice along the way. But, what good movie or tv show is without those things? Unless it's a kidshow, of course ^^;;

Really, though, the most troublesome people are the ones who think anime is porn. Like..have you seen a hentai? Cuz' that stuff is freakier than anything you'll find in your average anime or even ecchi.
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furthermore there is no "anime style." anime uses multiple styles and about the only thing most anime has in common is the fact they make it fast and cheap compared to western made animation.

the whole idea that anime is better and more mature than western made cartoons comes from non-Japanese anime fans trying to make themselves look better and their attempts to prove Japanese animation is inherently better than western animation with a bunch of false assumptions and hyperbole they start taking more seriously than they should as well as presenting a few seinen anime examples as if they're the norm rather than the exception.


While I agree with the majority of what you said. The above is what I take [very slight] issue with. First off, I believe the term "anime style" refers to the basic similarities in animation styles between various shows in the genre. For example, when I say I draw "anime style" I mean that my character's eyes look a certain way as well as her proportions and/ or the expression she may have on her face. In my opinion it is easy to tell anime from Western cartoons/ animation quickly by looking at the eyes, proportions, or exaggerated expressions. From that, I get anime style.

As far as the next paragraph, I don't appreciate the generalization. Some of us don't know about any anime aimed at a particularly young audience. Most of the anime we watch IS aimed at a more mature demographic, while a lot of Western animation that we are exposed to is aimed at a younger demographic. When I say that anime tends to be for older or more mature people, I say it because that is my personal experience, not because I want it to "make myself look better".

P.S. Don't take offense. I just don't like when people make negative generalizations [especially when I am included in that generalization sweatdrop ]

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furthermore there is no "anime style." anime uses multiple styles and about the only thing most anime has in common is the fact they make it fast and cheap compared to western made animation.

the whole idea that anime is better and more mature than western made cartoons comes from non-Japanese anime fans trying to make themselves look better and their attempts to prove Japanese animation is inherently better than western animation with a bunch of false assumptions and hyperbole they start taking more seriously than they should as well as presenting a few seinen anime examples as if they're the norm rather than the exception.


While I agree with the majority of what you said. The above is what I take [very slight] issue with. First off, I believe the term "anime style" refers to the basic similarities in animation styles between various shows in the genre. For example, when I say I draw "anime style" I mean that my character's eyes look a certain way as well as her proportions and/ or the expression she may have on her face. In my opinion it is easy to tell anime from Western cartoons/ animation quickly by looking at the eyes, proportions, or exaggerated expressions. From that, I get anime style.

As far as the next paragraph, I don't appreciate the generalization. Some of us don't know about any anime aimed at a particularly young audience. Most of the anime we watch IS aimed at a more mature demographic, while a lot of Western animation that we are exposed to is aimed at a younger demographic. When I say that anime tends to be for older or more mature people, I say it because that is my personal experience, not because I want it to "make myself look better".

P.S. Don't take offense. I just don't like when people make negative generalizations [especially when I am included in that generalization sweatdrop ]


@bold: I'm positively sure that everyone has at least heard of Pokemon even if they've never played the games or watched the anime.

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furthermore there is no "anime style." anime uses multiple styles and about the only thing most anime has in common is the fact they make it fast and cheap compared to western made animation.

the whole idea that anime is better and more mature than western made cartoons comes from non-Japanese anime fans trying to make themselves look better and their attempts to prove Japanese animation is inherently better than western animation with a bunch of false assumptions and hyperbole they start taking more seriously than they should as well as presenting a few seinen anime examples as if they're the norm rather than the exception.


While I agree with the majority of what you said. The above is what I take [very slight] issue with. First off, I believe the term "anime style" refers to the basic similarities in animation styles between various shows in the genre. For example, when I say I draw "anime style" I mean that my character's eyes look a certain way as well as her proportions and/ or the expression she may have on her face. In my opinion it is easy to tell anime from Western cartoons/ animation quickly by looking at the eyes, proportions, or exaggerated expressions. From that, I get anime style.

As far as the next paragraph, I don't appreciate the generalization. Some of us don't know about any anime aimed at a particularly young audience. Most of the anime we watch IS aimed at a more mature demographic, while a lot of Western animation that we are exposed to is aimed at a younger demographic. When I say that anime tends to be for older or more mature people, I say it because that is my personal experience, not because I want it to "make myself look better".

P.S. Don't take offense. I just don't like when people make negative generalizations [especially when I am included in that generalization sweatdrop ]
all I'm saying there is there is no singular anime style. I will admit certain demographic/genre combinations often follow stylistic stereotypes, but that still validates what I said, that there is no anime style, but rather multiple styles used in anime. even at that, can it clearly be established that all things with similar demographic/genre elements are all the same style? say, Hellsing, Madoka Magica, and Kemonozume, three seinen titles with darker themes to them?

and I was pretty much pointing out there that most anime IS for kids by Japanese standards. quite frankly, until your at the age of majority in Japan (20, IIRC) you're still pretty much considered a kid culturally. and due to cultural differences sometimes something that would be more mature here is actually for a younger Japanese audience than you'd expect. you'd be surprised how many anime fans I've seen trying to go on about how "adult" their favorite title is are saying that about a title that originated in a weekly shonen manga magazine (weekly shonen magazines tend to either aim at the younger half of the shonen demographic or the demographic as a whole, while monthly shonen magazines tend to aim at the older half of the shonen demographic).

I will admit that in North America at least there's not as much animation aimed at teens, most animation here is aimed at little kids or is "family friendly" with a small smattering of stuff aimed at adults, but it's a cultural thing on how animation demographics evolved here compared to in Japan. it's also of note there's been a growing number of animated western titles aimed at teens too, however.

but I will admit I made that statement more black and white than I intended it to be. it was mainly started by people trying to make their anime hobby seem more mature, some of them even had enough knowledge of anime that they should know better than to make the claims they spouted. then people who didn't know any better took it to be truth and it just kind of spiraled out of control. kind of like the whole thing with people claiming subs are always better than dubs, only with less initial justification for the wankery that developed.

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furthermore there is no "anime style." anime uses multiple styles and about the only thing most anime has in common is the fact they make it fast and cheap compared to western made animation.

the whole idea that anime is better and more mature than western made cartoons comes from non-Japanese anime fans trying to make themselves look better and their attempts to prove Japanese animation is inherently better than western animation with a bunch of false assumptions and hyperbole they start taking more seriously than they should as well as presenting a few seinen anime examples as if they're the norm rather than the exception.


While I agree with the majority of what you said. The above is what I take [very slight] issue with. First off, I believe the term "anime style" refers to the basic similarities in animation styles between various shows in the genre. For example, when I say I draw "anime style" I mean that my character's eyes look a certain way as well as her proportions and/ or the expression she may have on her face. In my opinion it is easy to tell anime from Western cartoons/ animation quickly by looking at the eyes, proportions, or exaggerated expressions. From that, I get anime style.

As far as the next paragraph, I don't appreciate the generalization. Some of us don't know about any anime aimed at a particularly young audience. Most of the anime we watch IS aimed at a more mature demographic, while a lot of Western animation that we are exposed to is aimed at a younger demographic. When I say that anime tends to be for older or more mature people, I say it because that is my personal experience, not because I want it to "make myself look better".

P.S. Don't take offense. I just don't like when people make negative generalizations [especially when I am included in that generalization sweatdrop ]


@bold: I'm positively sure that everyone has at least heard of Pokemon even if they've never played the games or watched the anime.
or Hello Kitty. or depending on your age Noozles, Adventures of the Little Koala, Maya the Bee, Maple Town, or the infamously more emotionally scarring than Bambi kodomomuke demographic movie Chirin no Suzu/Ringing Bell. I'm probably forgetting something, but I'm just trying to limit it to kodomomuke stuff with English language exposure too.

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Hmmm. Idk, I watch anime, and I call them cartoons interchangeably.

They're all animated, just perhaps with a different art style, sound, or storytelling style. But they're both entertainment - I just tend to call them Japanese cartoons when talking about them.
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furthermore there is no "anime style." anime uses multiple styles and about the only thing most anime has in common is the fact they make it fast and cheap compared to western made animation.

the whole idea that anime is better and more mature than western made cartoons comes from non-Japanese anime fans trying to make themselves look better and their attempts to prove Japanese animation is inherently better than western animation with a bunch of false assumptions and hyperbole they start taking more seriously than they should as well as presenting a few seinen anime examples as if they're the norm rather than the exception.


While I agree with the majority of what you said. The above is what I take [very slight] issue with. First off, I believe the term "anime style" refers to the basic similarities in animation styles between various shows in the genre. For example, when I say I draw "anime style" I mean that my character's eyes look a certain way as well as her proportions and/ or the expression she may have on her face. In my opinion it is easy to tell anime from Western cartoons/ animation quickly by looking at the eyes, proportions, or exaggerated expressions. From that, I get anime style.

As far as the next paragraph, I don't appreciate the generalization. Some of us don't know about any anime aimed at a particularly young audience. Most of the anime we watch IS aimed at a more mature demographic, while a lot of Western animation that we are exposed to is aimed at a younger demographic. When I say that anime tends to be for older or more mature people, I say it because that is my personal experience, not because I want it to "make myself look better".

P.S. Don't take offense. I just don't like when people make negative generalizations [especially when I am included in that generalization sweatdrop ]
all I'm saying there is there is no singular anime style. I will admit certain demographic/genre combinations often follow stylistic stereotypes, but that still validates what I said, that there is no anime style, but rather multiple styles used in anime. even at that, can it clearly be established that all things with similar demographic/genre elements are all the same style? say, Hellsing, Madoka Magica, and Kemonozume, three seinen titles with darker themes to them?

and I was pretty much pointing out there that most anime IS for kids by Japanese standards. quite frankly, until your at the age of majority in Japan (20, IIRC) you're still pretty much considered a kid culturally. and due to cultural differences sometimes something that would be more mature here is actually for a younger Japanese audience than you'd expect. you'd be surprised how many anime fans I've seen trying to go on about how "adult" their favorite title is are saying that about a title that originated in a weekly shonen manga magazine (weekly shonen magazines tend to either aim at the younger half of the shonen demographic or the demographic as a whole, while monthly shonen magazines tend to aim at the older half of the shonen demographic).

I will admit that in North America at least there's not as much animation aimed at teens, most animation here is aimed at little kids or is "family friendly" with a small smattering of stuff aimed at adults, but it's a cultural thing on how animation demographics evolved here compared to in Japan. it's also of note there's been a growing number of animated western titles aimed at teens too, however.

but I will admit I made that statement more black and white than I intended it to be. it was mainly started by people trying to make their anime hobby seem more mature, some of them even had enough knowledge of anime that they should know better than to make the claims they spouted. then people who didn't know any better took it to be truth and it just kind of spiraled out of control. kind of like the whole thing with people claiming subs are always better than dubs, only with less initial justification for the wankery that developed.

When I said that, I was speaking from an American standpoint. Anime is marketed to an older audience HERE. I can't speak for Japan because I don't live there and have not observed their culture closely enough to make a sure generalization. The anime we get our hands on is typically more mature, in some way, shape, or form, than the cartoons that come out of America.

When I say anime style, I am referring strictly to the animation style, not the content of the show. Visual markers that someone could use to quickly tell if a show or an image is from an anime without needing to watch for an extended period of time or have audio in order to determine either voice actors (American, Japanese, or any other nationality). When I say that I draw anime style, I mean that her eyes are the same type as the majority of anime characters, her proportions might be a bit off compared to a normal sketch of a person, and she might be making some anime-esque facial expression, like sweatdrop or stressed .

Everything I say I back up with my own personal experience and observations in real life. (Besides, some people might not realize Pokemon or Hello Kitty are anime. I didn't realize it until I was 14, mainly because I was focusing on other things, like school. It hadn't occurred to me that these things I grew up around weren't made here, but in Japan. So what I am saying FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND NOTHING ELSE is that some people don't notice these things, especially with Hello Kitty. That show doesn't even use the typical anime-style eyes that I use to determine whether or not a show is anime (along with other methods, but this is usually the fastest way for me to tell.).

I hope this helps you understand more of what I'm saying.

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