Shotacon/Lolicon. Why isnt it legal? Discuss.

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Sarahsuke

Dementis Diabolus

Whether it's a drawing or a photograph, it's still the idea of finding young children erotic in some way, and for that, I find it disturbing.

That's what I think, but there's no way you can ban it without infringing on someone's rights, not unless actual children are at risk.

Yes, it's difficult because it is illustrated.
It's just the whole idea behind it that I find rather disturbing.
The intention of displaying young children in an erotic way for a sexual purpose just seems wrong to me, whether they're real or not.

[Sarahsuke]

Dementis Diabolus

Yes, it's difficult because it is illustrated.
It's just the whole idea behind it that I find rather disturbing.
The intention of displaying young children in an erotic way for a sexual purpose just seems wrong to me, whether they're real or not.

Yeah, it's similar to furry pornography in the sense that it's compared to another illegal act.

Either way, I'm expecting to get flamed by the loli/shota fans for finding it weird. whee

[BunnyCupCakes]

RamenSoup43

My advice to you closet whatever you want to call it, don't bring the topic out in the open. I'm sure you're all swell people and all, but some skeletons should remain in the closet.

Thank you.
Shotacon/lolicon fans shouldn't act so butthurt when people don't "understand" their sick fetish.
That's the kind of stuff you keep to yourself. Just because Japan encourages it doesn't mean the whole world is going to accept it the next second & think it's alright too.
You don't see me posting around what my fetish is on the internet out of the blue.

This topic is a very taboo thing so of course people will get their panties in a bunch.
There shouldn't be no surprises here

If you're a mature adult that knows the clear line between fantasy and real-life, good for you. Keep it as your secret. If you're blurring that line, you need help.

[[Tonks]]

FallenDevil

This is why I have the internet >.> If the police ever tried to take my computer I'd have to take a strong magnet to it first.

LOL rofl

[Lord Noah Tyki]

BunnyCupCakes

RamenSoup43

My advice to you closet whatever you want to call it, don't bring the topic out in the open. I'm sure you're all swell people and all, but some skeletons should remain in the closet.

Thank you.
Shotacon/lolicon fans shouldn't act so butthurt when people don't "understand" their sick fetish.
That's the kind of stuff you keep to yourself. Just because Japan encourages it doesn't mean the whole world is going to accept it the next second & think it's alright too.
You don't see me posting around what my fetish is on the internet out of the blue.

This topic is a very taboo thing so of course people will get their panties in a bunch.
There shouldn't be no surprises here

If you're a mature adult that knows the clear line between fantasy and real-life, good for you. Keep it as your secret. If you're blurring that line, you need help.

The internet is their last resort to get it out in the open. Maybe lift some sort of weight off their shoulders and interact with people who have likeminded interests?
There's always topics online that will make others feel uncomfortable. If you dont like the topic, then dont post in it. And just leave them to their discussion.

[Juutilainen]

Since finals are up, I don't really have time for long argument threads now. However, I shall say my final remark in this thread.

From the looks of things, I guess I really can't change the opinions of those who hate loli/shota with a passion, no matter how hard I argue. However, that's fine by me. If you think loli/shota is evil, fine. Even though I disagree with you, to each their own opinion, I guess.

However, when you moralists start accusing us hentai fans of being rapists, child molesters, or ***** just because we enjoy reading something you don't, then that's just plain wrong. Please stop generalizing us hentai fans like that, because that's not right. Accusing us hentai fans of being rapists/molesters is no different from accusing those who enjoy violent shows and video games as murderers, psychotic serial killers, or wife beaters. I'm sure you people who oppose loli/shota enjoy violent shows and movies like Naruto, Code Geass, James Bond films, and such, right? Now, let's reverse the situation. Would YOU anti-loli/shota people like it if us hentai fans started accusing you guys of being murderers and sadists just because you guys enjoy watching shows like Naruto or playing games like Gears of War? Of course you won't. So in return, we expect the same kind of treatment. Don't start calling us rapists or ***** just because we enjoy something you find "icky", because you wouldn't want us to do the same to you now, would you?

Also, according to you moralists' logic, being aroused an anime girl is no different from being aroused by a real girl. Okay, let's go with your logic. According to your logic, those people you shoot down in Grand Theft Auto or those people you slice down in Final Fantasy are also no different from real people, and therefore, anyone who plays those games are murderers, and should be thrown in prison, right? Right?

I hope that example shows why the "anime loli = real girl" argument is very, VERY faulty. The fictional world is not the same as the real world, and will NEVER be, no matter how hard you moralists try to justify it with your flawed logic. Anyone who enjoys loli/shota are NOT rapists, just like how anyone who enjoys Gears of War are NOT murderers. Simple as that. Just as BunnyCupCakes said, if you start blurring the line between fantasy and reality, then you need to get some help.

And to end my argument, everyone still seems to be avoiding the main question here:

Why is it acceptable to get excited and pumped up by violent movies/games, and yet, it's taboo to get aroused by sexual books/games? What makes violence "cool", but sex "wrong"? How come when two fictional teenagers try to kill each other with swords and guns, people say it's awesome, but when two fictional teenagers engage in sexual acts with each other, people say it's "offensive and immoral"? Why is that? What makes sex worse than violence?

C'mon guys, I want all of you moralists to question your own beliefs. This is called Critical Thinking, and while it may feel uncomfortable at first to question your established beliefs, it will eventually widen your view of life. Think outside the box, guys. The law may be black and white, but the world definitely isn't.

[Lord Noah Tyki]

Juutilainen

What makes violence "cool", but sex "wrong"? How come when two fictional teenagers try to kill each other with swords and guns, people say it's awesome, but when two fictional teenagers engage in sexual acts with each other, people say it's "offensive and immoral"? Why is that? What makes sex worse than violence?

That'd be the result of years of church brainwashing.
Apparently, destroying "sinners" with a flood is a-okay. But when it comes to masturbating or sex before marriage, it means that you're in line for eternal damnation?
This is one of the reasons why I dont go to church services anymore. Most of what you hear is a giant hypocrisy.

[Juutilainen]

Akito no Agito

Juutilainen

What makes violence "cool", but sex "wrong"? How come when two fictional teenagers try to kill each other with swords and guns, people say it's awesome, but when two fictional teenagers engage in sexual acts with each other, people say it's "offensive and immoral"? Why is that? What makes sex worse than violence?

That'd be the result of years of church brainwashing.
Apparently, destroying "sinners" with a flood is a-okay. But when it comes to masturbating or sex before marriage, it means that you're in line for eternal damnation?
This is one of the reasons why I dont go to church services anymore. Most of what you hear is a giant hypocrisy.

Same here. I used to be a conservative Christian (a long, long time ago), but after questioning my beliefs, I came to the conclusion that Christianity is a bunch of hypocrisy and stopped believing in it.

I've been an Atheist and a hentai fan for five years now, and I have never once developed an urge to molest real people, and never will.

[Lord Noah Tyki]

Juutilainen

Same here. I used to be a conservative Christian (a long, long time ago), but after questioning my beliefs, I came to the conclusion that Christianity is a bunch of hypocrisy and stopped believing in it.

I've been an Atheist and a hentai fan for five years now, and I have never once developed an urge to molest real people, and never will.

Exactly.
One of the reasons why the bible does this, is because it was also used as a tool for dictatorship.
It's been "edited" so many times, that it's basically just one giant cluster fuck of meaningless rules and obligations.
Though I'm not an atheist, I can understand why some people are.

[SweetMimi91]

Dementis Diabolus

I personally don't understand why it'd appeal to anyone.
Whether it's a drawing or a photograph, it's still the idea of finding young children erotic in some way, and for that, I find it disturbing.

Everyone uses the same old arguement that it's fantasy and therefore acceptable, but when it comes down to the idea of children being perceived sexually, that's rather inhuman.

Men have fantasies about huge-breasted lesbians which they may also seek out in real life if they are presented with the opportunity, let's face it, so why with this particular fantasy it is argued that there will definitely be no transferable feelings in real life? How can you be so sure that it will not encourage people into *****?

I don't know. It's difficult. I just can't understand the attraction to it.

I know it's possible to enjoy something and not want to ******** it, but these are images to deliberately create erotic feelings towards a youth.

Exactly.

And yes, there have been arguements that say that it could lead to someone acting upon these disturbing desires.
Did everyone forget about Tsutomu Miyazaki the Otaku murderer? He had loads of lolicon and gory porn and many believe that that is the cause of his crazy actions.
The Tokyo High Court believed that his actions were linked to his sexual fantasies from his porn.
He mutilated and sexually molested girls ages 4-7.

What about Kaoru Kobayashi, who was a sexoffender/murderer that admitted that he became interested after watching an animated pornographic video.

The fact still remains that you guys like watching little kids sexually. So what if they aren't real?

[Alice of AJ]

Where do you live? 'Cuz it's not illegal here.

[Penn Almasy]

SweetMimi91

Did everyone forget about Tsutomu Miyazaki the Otaku murderer? He had loads of lolicon and gory porn and many believe that that is the cause of his crazy actions.
The Tokyo High Court believed that his actions were linked to his sexual fantasies from his porn.
He mutilated and sexually molested girls ages 4-7.

What about Kaoru Kobayashi, who was a sexoffender/murderer that admitted that he became interested after watching an animated pornographic video.

Just because they watched hentai does not mean it caused them to murder/mutilate/rape.

SweetMimi91

The fact still remains that you guys like watching little kids sexually. So what if they aren't real?

In all cases, you should respect what we like and we'll respect what you like. Remember, morals differ with everyone, even slightly, and what you find wrong, we find okay or are indifferent to it.

[Lieber Q]

II Yami Bakura II

FinfoxAelia

even thoughts are a crime.

[Alice of AJ]

What this really boils down is censorship. To deny lolicon/shota is censorship; they're extensions of hentai which in itself is an artform.

What's next? Chopping the p***s off of the statue of David?